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Old 07.06.2017, 10:13
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Comeon, if you are going to use a word like eludicate please do the sentence properly:

"Prithee, eludicate thine asseveration good Sir!"
Elucidate is a word in common, even increasing usage. https://books.google.com/ngrams/grap...cidate%3B%2Cc0.
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Of course not. The migrants are just taking advantage of a good opportunity. Nothing wrong with that.

The ones to blame are our irresponsible politicians who let them into Europe by the hundreds of thousands.
I agree that the lousy politicians like to see the public holding the migrants accountable, instead of those who make lousy legislature. I also think that even misdirected public's wrath is easier to use as a lever to push on the law makers. Unfortunately. It may be too late for anything else? Not sure.

DB - why the mockery behind the scene? Red rep channels what exactly..

I have been thinking for a long time about one thing: How does Brexit help the UK now. I hope it does since I prefer living through progress than failure...but how? May's situ is unstable, the whole region is a bit destabilized. Would EU help it or make it worse? The situations in France and Germany aren't easy, either. CZ gov just refused to stick to fullfill the imigration quotas imposed on us, even when we have to pay large penalties. The reason for EU is diminishing looks like.
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Old 07.06.2017, 10:18
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Elucidate is a word in common, even increasing usage. https://books.google.com/ngrams/grap...cidate%3B%2Cc0.
Don't be daft. 'Elucidate' is hardly plain English, and is unnecessarily flowery by pretty much any standard when used in such a context on a forum.

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Old 07.06.2017, 10:20
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Don't be daft. 'Eludicate' is hardly plain English, and is unnecessarily flowery by pretty much any standard when used in such a context on a forum.
As far as I know eludicate isn't a word used at all in English.

Elucidate on the other hand is.
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Old 07.06.2017, 10:51
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Don't be daft. 'Eludicate' is hardly plain English, and is unnecessarily flowery by pretty much any standard when used in such a context on a forum.
I should have said;

Would you care to elucidate that statement.

Its hardly flowery and I am certainly not a sesquipedalian, it is just standard use of the English language.
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Old 07.06.2017, 11:05
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I have been thinking for a long time about one thing: How does Brexit help the UK now.
While the British on this this thread are debating till death the usage of a word nobody uses outside of the Island, let me spoil their semantic masturbation and answer your question.
Consensus among impartial analysts is that Brexit will harm both the EU and Britain. However, it will harm the British way more. In a perverse twist and increasingly likely scenario, both Brexit and the "Trump factor" might actually make the EU stronger simply due to the fact that Merkel and Macron 1) seem like natural allies and 2) are pushed internally and externally to work even closer 3) peripheral EU countries are getting increasingly worried by Russia meddling and get more drawn towards EU as the US is seen as gradually receding its influence in the region. Bulgaria just yesterday said it wants to join the Eurozone by formally entering the "waiting room", something nobody in the country thought was going to happen just 6 months ago.
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I should have said;

Would you care to elucidate that statement.

Its hardly flowery and I am certainly not a sesquipedalian, it is just standard use of the English language.
How many people do you know that say 'elucidate' (spelt correctly now, I was having a senior moment) in real-life? Would you use it in a casual verbal discussion with someone?

Answer: no, not unless you're not particularly socially aware. It is flowery, technical language whether you realise it or not.

PS: Not that I am against it being used per se, but it does amuse me nonetheless.
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Old 07.06.2017, 11:07
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Don't be daft. 'Elucidate' is hardly plain English, and is unnecessarily flowery by pretty much any standard when used in such a context on a forum.
It's plain English in my books. Don't be so parochial.
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Old 07.06.2017, 11:09
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I agree that the lousy politicians like to see the public holding the migrants accountable, instead of those who make lousy legislature. I also think that even misdirected public's wrath is easier to use as a lever to push on the law makers. Unfortunately. It may be too late for anything else? Not sure.
This.

Sleazy politicians and those who stand up for them are hiding behind the poverty. If you have a go at the government over their inconsistent stand on migration, they deflect that and claim it's the migrant you're attacking. In effect, they are using migrants as human shields.

Public wrath is rarely a good basis on which to build sound policy.

Neither is transient pity over some sad migrant story.

If wrath and pity are the only buttons that can drive debate and policy, we have reached a very sad state, and essenbtially abandoned all discourse to the extremes of the political spectrum,.

I don't think that has happened yet, but we're rapidly moving in that direction.
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Old 07.06.2017, 11:11
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It's plain English in my books. Don't be so parochial.
It is in mine too. I didn't see anything odd in TobiasM's use of that word in his post.
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Old 07.06.2017, 11:12
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It's plain English in my books. Don't be so parochial.
Yeah but you only read books without pictures , and lots of words , mostly big words too... so hardly representative.
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It is in mine too. I didn't see anything odd in TobiasM's use of that word in his post.
Perhaps you're just not pusillanimous enough...
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Old 07.06.2017, 11:15
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How many people do you know that say 'elucidate' (spelt correctly now, I was having a senior moment) in real-life? Would you use it in a casual verbal discussion with someone?

Answer: no, not unless you're not particularly socially aware. It is flowery, technical language whether you realise it or not.

PS: Not that I am against it being used per se, but it does amuse me nonetheless.
I can use whatever words I like on this forum unless they are banned, I hope the Mods don't start to take offense of the proper use of English on the English Forum, that would be rather tiresome. I used it because I was being a tad flippant over DBs comment.
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Yeah but you only read books without pictures , and lots of words , mostly big words too... so hardly representative.
Rubbish. Many of the books I read include explosion drawings. (That'll get me on a watchlist, given the other keywords of this thread).

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Picric Acid, detonator, trigger

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Now we're all on a watchlist.
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Old 07.06.2017, 11:34
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If wrath and pity are the only buttons that can drive debate and policy, we have reached a very sad state, and essenbtially abandoned all discourse to the extremes of the political spectrum,.

I don't think that has happened yet, but we're rapidly moving in that direction.
Thank and groan buttons seem to drive our debates.

But with the extremists, I think its safe to say there is no discourse and there never will be.
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I have been thinking for a long time about one thing: How does Brexit help the UK now. I hope it does since I prefer living through progress than failure...but how? May's situ is unstable, the whole region is a bit destabilized. Would EU help it or make it worse? The situations in France and Germany aren't easy, either. CZ gov just refused to stick to fullfill the imigration quotas imposed on us, even when we have to pay large penalties. The reason for EU is diminishing looks like.
Interesting point, MC. I too really wonder how Brexit is going to help the EU in that there is now no strong voice calling for eu reform and the army/tighter union etc. will be hurriedly pushed forward ignoring all the underlying problems of accountability and transparent agendas, immigration etc..

Having Britain in the EU was good for the EU.. and now?
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Consensus among impartial analysts is that Brexit will harm both the EU and Britain. However, it will harm the British way more. In a perverse twist and increasingly likely scenario, both Brexit and the "Trump factor" might actually make the EU stronger simply due to the fact that Merkel and Macron 1) seem like natural allies
A chummy photoshoot and fluffy statements do not natural allies make. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

France has followed Spain's lead in which the traditional political landscape has broken down virtually overnight and been replaced by new upstart parties with populist messaging and who have yet to prove themselves in actual tough government. If the same trend were to spread to Germany that would be the end of both CDU and SPD. Merkel needs to be careful what she's wishing for.

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and 2) are pushed internally and externally to work even closer 3) peripheral EU countries are getting increasingly worried by Russia meddling and get more drawn towards EU as the US is seen as gradually receding its influence in the region. Bulgaria just yesterday said it wants to join the Eurozone by formally entering the "waiting room", something nobody in the country thought was going to happen just 6 months ago.
Merkel herself has said many times that fear does not make a good advsior. So if fear is driving peripheral countries into the fold, one must be careful not to ignore the dark cloud because one is so happy to see the silver lining.

In my view, the whole strength of the EU was that it was built on unity rather than division. That is both unity between member states and strong bonds between the EU and other countries including the USA and more recently Russia. If extracting revenge is going to take precedence over building strong bridges to neighbours, then the principle on which thze EU was built is being abandoned befopre our eyes. Only an incorrigable optimist would think this is strengthening the EU.
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I use elucidate too. But I'm in the business of improving vocabularies and widening perspectives. HTH.

Back OT: Brexit will be a nightmare. It's been a nightmare ever since someone actually coined the word "Brexit".
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I can use whatever words I like on this forum unless they are banned, I hope the Mods don't start to take offense of the proper use of English on the English Forum, that would be rather tiresome. I used it because I was being a tad flippant over DBs comment.
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Re: 'Van hits pedestrians' on London Bridge in 'major incident'

'Elucidate' is in the first line of 'Everybody Wants to be a Cat' in Disney's Aristocats... which is aimed at children.
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