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Ah so if maybe they stopped giving away citzenship like confetti and , oh I don't know make it revocable then hey presto - we're all David Copperfield!
Nice one, Stalin.

You know we're talking about the United Kingdom here, not Czechoslovakia, right?
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It's because there's an election going on that we are currently getting this crap, same as Paris did during the Presidental election.

And we know what these barstewards want, they want the politicians to lash out and the Kaffirs to show their true oppressive face under the liberal veneer.

Similar thinking to groups like Baader-Meinhof and Brigado Rossi in the 70s in which the supposedly liberal states would show their fascist oppression.
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Yeah, and those cowards in the IRA went to mass every Sunday, but that doesn't make them really religious. A truly religious person of any faith would not murder.
Yet Islam allows the killing of non Muslims in certain situations.

Maybe that's where a lot of these problems spring from?
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What brain of Britain there doesn't seem to realise is that you can't deport British citizens.

Are there any sensible solutions that don't involve magic unicorns?

I shan't hold my breath.
Given that anyone who commits such acts should be stripped of British citizenship of course you can. After all they are not just murderers, but also commit treason.

"The crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill or overthrow the sovereign or government."

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/treason

They no longer deserve the citizenship so take it away from them and depot them. If that's not possible then bring back the hangman is what I say. None of this namby pamby put them in prison for the rest of their lives. Get rid of them permanently so they can't spread their vile propaganda to anyone else.
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But the Manchester bomber seemed very religious, he knew the Koran by heart and attended the mosque with his family where his dad lead the prayers?
What gives?
I read that he drank, took drugs, went to parties and was very gullible, and not that bright i.e. exactly the kind of empty vessels recruiters identify, in order to fill with their poison.

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Teased at school and nicknamed Dumbo for his big ears, Abedi confessed to ‘anger-management issues’ after he punched a girl in the face.
He struggled with his studies and later dropped out of university.

But the moment he truly started going off the rails, friends say, was when his father Ramadan Abedi moved back to Libya in 2011 to join the rebels fighting Colonel Gaddafi following the Arab Spring.

Mr Abedi and his wife Samia Tabbal – an engineer who graduated top of her class from Tripoli university – had fled the dictator’s regime in 1993, and were allowed into Britain as political refugees.
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I disagree. The idiots doing this stuff now are not "religious" in the true sense of the word. They are lost, stupid, mentally ill or just plain evil who are brainwashed by others further up the ladder to create terror and disruption..
But this is like saying that the crusaders weren't true Christians...

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Exactly the same as terrorists in the IRA in the troubles. "I'm catholic and you're not so therefore I'm going to bomb and kill you". They were using religion just as much those guys last night.
Is that what they said and did? I believe they were trying to end British rule of Northern Ireland, and not establish a Catholic caliphate. Although rare, there were Protestants in the IRA as well - because the group's motivation was more political than religious.

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'John Graham, George Gilmore, and George Plant were amongst a handful of Protestants who joined the minority Republican Congress and the Irish Republican Army in the 1930s and 1940s.[5] Plant was executed in 1942 by the Irish government for the murder of a suspected informer.[10]
Later figures included Ronnie Bunting of the Irish National Liberation Army and John Turnley, who were assassinated by the Ulster Defence Association. Bunting was the son of Ronald Bunting, a close associate of Ian Paisley.[11] John Turnley, also killed in 1980, was the Protestant Chairman of the Irish Independence Party and an Anti H-Block campaigner. David Russell was a Protestant Provisional IRA volunteer originally from Ramelton in Donegal and a Presbyterian. He was killed due to a premature bomb explosion in 1974 at a supermarket in Derry.[12]
Since partition, the majority of Ulster Protestants oppose the unification of Ireland, traditionally supporting continued union with Great Britain. In the past, the Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP) has had Protestant representatives, the most famous being Ivan Cooper. Billy Leonard, a former lay-preacher and Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) reservist, was an MLA for Sinn Féin in Stormont.'
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Old 04.06.2017, 15:04
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That's a coward's solution.
Quoting out of context destroys your own argument; same failure as you make with quotes from the Koran.
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Given that anyone who commits such acts should be stripped of British citizenship of course you can. After all they are not just murderers, but also commit treason.

"The crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill or overthrow the sovereign or government."

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/treason
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They no longer deserve the citizenship so take it away from them and depot them. If that's not possible then bring back the hangman is what I say. None of this namby pamby put them in prison for the rest of their lives. Get rid of them permanently so they can't spread their vile propaganda to anyone else.
Hanging them will only make them martyrs , don't make that mistake - deport them and their families - impose draconian financial penalties on anything connected to them.
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But this is like saying that the crusaders weren't true Christians...



Is that what they said and did? I believe they were trying to end British rule of Northern Ireland, and not establish a Catholic caliphate. Although rare, there were Protestants in the IRA as well - because the group's motivation was more political than religious.

From Wiki

'John Graham, George Gilmore, and George Plant were amongst a handful of Protestants who joined the minority Republican Congress and the Irish Republican Army in the 1930s and 1940s.[5] Plant was executed in 1942 by the Irish government for the murder of a suspected informer.[10]
Later figures included Ronnie Bunting of the Irish National Liberation Army and John Turnley, who were assassinated by the Ulster Defence Association. Bunting was the son of Ronald Bunting, a close associate of Ian Paisley.[11] John Turnley, also killed in 1980, was the Protestant Chairman of the Irish Independence Party and an Anti H-Block campaigner. David Russell was a Protestant Provisional IRA volunteer originally from Ramelton in Donegal and a Presbyterian. He was killed due to a premature bomb explosion in 1974 at a supermarket in Derry.[12]
Since partition, the majority of Ulster Protestants oppose the unification of Ireland, traditionally supporting continued union with Great Britain. In the past, the Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP) has had Protestant representatives, the most famous being Ivan Cooper. Billy Leonard, a former lay-preacher and Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) reservist, was an MLA for Sinn Féin in Stormont.'
The rather odd thing is that for hundreds of years Protestant members of pro-nationalist parties have often been the most strident - witness the Wolfe Tone of many many so-called "rebel songs"...
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Given that anyone who commits such acts should be stripped of British citizenship of course you can. After all they are not just murderers, but also commit treason.

"The crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill or overthrow the sovereign or government."

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/treason

They no longer deserve the citizenship so take it away from them and depot them. If that's not possible then bring back the hangman is what I say. None of this namby pamby put them in prison for the rest of their lives. Get rid of them permanently so they can't spread their vile propaganda to anyone else.
Given that they usually kill themselves in the process that's not really much of a solution is it?
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It's not really my job to make suggestions here.

We have plenty well-paid politicitians and "experts" to come up with feasible, effective and targeted solutions.
LOL, Ostrich approach.

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A closer look at Israeli policies and practices might give some valuable input.

"Israeli policies and practices"??? Israel suffered 122 terror attacks in 2016 alone causing 90 deaths and 381 injuries in this small country, great idea

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But this is like saying that the crusaders weren't true Christians...



Is that what they said and did? I believe they were trying to end British rule of Northern Ireland, and not establish a Catholic caliphate. Although rare, there were Protestants in the IRA as well - because the group's motivation was more political than religious.

From Wiki

'John Graham, George Gilmore, and George Plant were amongst a handful of Protestants who joined the minority Republican Congress and the Irish Republican Army in the 1930s and 1940s.[5] Plant was executed in 1942 by the Irish government for the murder of a suspected informer.[10]
Later figures included Ronnie Bunting of the Irish National Liberation Army and John Turnley, who were assassinated by the Ulster Defence Association. Bunting was the son of Ronald Bunting, a close associate of Ian Paisley.[11] John Turnley, also killed in 1980, was the Protestant Chairman of the Irish Independence Party and an Anti H-Block campaigner. David Russell was a Protestant Provisional IRA volunteer originally from Ramelton in Donegal and a Presbyterian. He was killed due to a premature bomb explosion in 1974 at a supermarket in Derry.[12]
Since partition, the majority of Ulster Protestants oppose the unification of Ireland, traditionally supporting continued union with Great Britain. In the past, the Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP) has had Protestant representatives, the most famous being Ivan Cooper. Billy Leonard, a former lay-preacher and Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) reservist, was an MLA for Sinn Féin in Stormont.'
"But this is like saying that the Crusaders weren't true Christians..." They were not?
Look at the fourth Crusade where they looted and destroyed the Christian city of Constantinople that at the time was the capital of the Greek Orthodox Church.
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Hanging them will only make them martyrs , don't make that mistake - deport them and their families - impose draconian financial penalties on anything connected to them.
Hanging, fining or deporting dead suicide bombers seems a bit pointless?

Deporting their British born families to where exactly? Ireland?
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LOL, Ostrich approach.




"Israeli policies and practices"??? Israel suffered 122 terror attacks in 2016 alone causing 90 deaths and 381 injuries in this small country, great idea

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Surrounded on all sides by how many nutball countries ??
What portion of their population is Muslim ??

How ironic that you refer to someone else as an ostrich..
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Strange how Trump thinks this supports the gun lobby
No mate, the reason we're not looking at scores dead is precisely because we have gun control.
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"But this is like saying that the Crusaders weren't true Christians..." They were not?
Look at the fourth Crusade where they looted and destroyed the Christian city of Constantinople that at the time was the capital of the Greek Orthodox Church.
Sure, and they likely broke each of the 10 commandments as well.

If a Muslim kills another Muslim, is he no longer a Muslim? Was he ever one to begin with?

Anyway, I think my point went over your head.

We can't pick and choose who is religious and who is not, based on our own personal prejudices and preconceptions of what we think it means to be religious.

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Deporting their British born families to where exactly? Ireland?
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Surrounded on all sides by how many nutball countries ??
What portion of their population is Muslim ??

How ironic that you refer to someone else as an ostrich..
Israel is a coastal country so I would not say "surrounded on all sides"!
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Sure, and they likely broke each of the 10 commandments as well.

If a Muslim kills another Muslim, is he no longer a Muslim? Was he ever one to begin with?

Anyway, I think my point went over your head.

We can't pick and choose who is religious and who is not, based on our own personal prejudices and preconceptions of what we think it means to be religious.

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If a Muslim kills another Muslim then they have committed the fifth Greater Sin if it is a person whose execution has not been ordered by Allah and the Holy Prophet; then his punishment is Hell.
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If a Muslim kills another Muslim then they have committed the fifth Greater Sin if it is a person whose execution has not been ordered by Allah and the Holy Prophet; then his punishment is Hell.
Timing is everything. It's no coincidence this attack took place shortly after sunset during Ramadan.
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