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A great tragedy is not always proof of great wickedness
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Old 19.06.2017, 10:58
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It's a point of view BUT, having tripped over a handful of the popular and more clickbaity media this the weekend, they seem to be heavy and very present contributors of whipping up and sensationalising blame and revenge. Long articles with lots of emotive language, fuelled by 20/20 hindsight and a lot of dangerous speculation.

None of it helps other than to drum up clicks and shares, and therefore revenue for the bosses.

Theresa May, who was obviously overwhelmed and caught on the back foot has now at least stumped up over 5 grand for each of the affected families and will have no choice but to drive a thorough and very public investigation into it.

Those who had a part to play in the neglect will be investigated and dealt with in the same way as other disasters gone by.

Twitter is just a valve for people to let off their grief, anger, disbelief or their feelings of helplessness for their fellow human beings.

By the way, the Jacintha Saldanha reference is an odd choice of causes to compare. Not exactly relevant except to draw some rather threadbare comparisons in outrage and revenge over social media.
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It's a point of view BUT, having tripped over a handful of the popular and more clickbaity media this the weekend, they seem to be heavy and very present contributors of whipping up and sensationalising blame and revenge. Long articles with lots of emotive language, fuelled by 20/20 hindsight and a lot of dangerous speculation.

None of it helps other than to drum up clicks and shares, and therefore revenue for the bosses.

Theresa May, who was obviously overwhelmed and caught on the back foot has now at least stumped up over 5 grand for each of the affected families and will have no choice but to drive a thorough and very public investigation into it.

Those who had a part to play in the neglect will be investigated and dealt with in the same way as other disasters gone by.

Twitter is just a valve for people to let off their grief, anger, disbelief or their feelings of helplessness for their fellow human beings.

By the way, the Jacintha Saldanha reference is an odd choice of causes to compare. Not exactly relevant except to draw some rather threadbare comparisons in outrage and revenge over social media.
It's not just social media, mainstream media has a lot to answer for too. Channel 4 News have long since given up being on impartial. Robert Peston too. After a couple of years of kicking Corbyn, they've now decided to switch to kicking May. They whip up a raging mob and then appeal for calm. An utter disgrace.

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Good luck on getting that to all the families that have been affected #sublet
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It's not just social media, mainstream media has a lot to answer for too. Channel 4 News have long since given up being on impartial. Robert Peston too. After a couple of years of kicking Corbyn, they've now decided to switch to kicking May. They whip up a raging mob and then appeal for calm. An utter disgrace.



Good luck on getting that to all the families that have been affected #sublet
The media outlets made me cringe. All of them.

Because of their instant and damning judgment it is causing decisions to be made on the hop (or at least that's how I see it). The government, mayor, councils, emergency services, as well as anyone else on the front line of this (such?) disasters or attacks are forced into snap decisions and rulings for fear of being seen as dithering or stand-offish or out of touch.

Surprisingly, I have to say the royal family came up smelling of roses this time and it all looked pretty natural and unforced. Even (in my opinion) seemed to smooth the troubled waters in some way, at least for a while.
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Old 19.06.2017, 11:29
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No, just disregard, thoughtlessness, lack of consideration. Banality of evil - though perhaps that's more of a catch phrase and not applicable here. Maybe more like shoving things under the rug. It's not clear that there is an organized evilness here - just a lot of sloppy bureaucracy and poor hahdling.
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This guy is a toad of the highest order, he single handedly caused a run on a bank resulting in its collapse, his not so subtle hints about a bank on the brink for weeks on end
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Hardwick Hall was a training ground.
There is a huge difference between a national emergency such as a war, when excpetional sacrifices are required, and a guy who just hates those who are richer than him and will jump at any opportunity to make them feel it.

What happened was horrific for those directly concerned, but averaged across the nation I don't see any need to call it a national emergency.
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What happened was horrific for those directly concerned, but averaged across the nation I don't see any need to call it a national emergency.
Depends how many tower blocks across the nation have been turned into inadvertent tinderboxes, refurbed on the cheap, doesn't it?
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another news report last week compared the cost differences between the tiles used and proper fire proof tiles, 2 quid each, on that tower block it would have added 5k gbp to the cost, peanuts, not even a new car for the person who profited from it. you really have to wonder wtf is wrong with people when they are prepared to risk hundreds of lives for the sake of 5k.
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There is a huge difference between a national emergency such as a war, when excpetional sacrifices are required, and a guy who just hates those who are richer than him and will jump at any opportunity to make them feel it.

What happened was horrific for those directly concerned, but averaged across the nation I don't see any need to call it a national emergency.
I am well aware, thank you. And I didn't. I was responding to the post that stated "not even in WW2" were homes requisitioned. I was just pointing out that this,in fact, was not true.

Maybe check the direction of the post before attempting to slap me down, eh?
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Awkward...

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Reportedly the reason why that deadly cladding material was used is cost cutting. So, in essence the fire is just a symptom. A horrific and deadly for sure, but just a symptom nonetheless, caused by the need to cut costs no matter what.

So perhaps it's time to address the real issue? Public funding and austerity (for some but not for others).
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So perhaps it's time to address the real issue? Public funding and austerity (for some but not for others).
?? it was run by a private company and had just undergone 8m+ of renovations, so hardly austerity.

so the REAL issue is why have councils outsourced the running of their social housing to outside companies, why do they think these companies can deliver the same or better services for less money and they still make a profit??

this is arsehole council chiefs thinking they can run councils like a business, outsource, short term gain, get bonus, get back handers, no pesky staff to deal with, no pesky pension and benefits to pay, happy happy joy joy, and just like big business they find out why these outsource companies where able to do it for the price and it all goes titsup
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Reportedly the reason why that deadly cladding material was used is cost cutting. So, in essence the fire is just a symptom. A horrific and deadly for sure, but just a symptom nonetheless, caused by the need to cut costs no matter what.

So perhaps it's time to address the real issue? Public funding and austerity (for some but not for others).
By default, the language in council departments is all about how not to do things, go for the cheaper option, say no to anything that hits above the cheaper alternative.. and if it is a yes, it's a loose yes, with impossible conditions attached.

It's pervasive within councils everywhere, and has been for years.
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With MPs like him in Parliament, I am confident that the victims will get justice.

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Old 19.06.2017, 18:52
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Kensington Council was very proud of their cost-cutting and 'efficiency' and gave discounts of 100 to the highest council tax payers to celebrate:

http://www.lbc.co.uk/news/london/wes...der-infuriate/
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A just released video from one of the first crews to reach the fire.

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Holy Moly!

Looks like one giant torch.
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Re: London Tower Block Fire

This extract from House of Cards from 1993 is quite chilling. It almost seems to foretell the Grenfell Tower disaster precisely. It does show that the potential for such problems was real and ignored

https://vimeo.com/222034879
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