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Re: London Tower Block Fire

The name of that fridge-company is pretty apt, if you ask me.

I sense a firesale coming (and maybe a name-change)....

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Re: London Tower Block Fire

Well Hotpoint as a brand name could be easily phased out since it is owned by other companies, including Whirlpool.
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Old 23.06.2017, 17:41
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They´ll survive under a different name. Remember that ship that sailed off from Zeebrugge with the loading flap open? P&O Ferries still operates
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The name of that fridge-company is pretty apt, if you ask me.

I sense a firesale coming (and maybe a name-change)....

Hotpoint also had a fire issue with their tumble dryers a couple of years ago and had to recall several models and retrofit safety parts for others. Their organisation was shambolic, too. It took them almost 2 years to send an engineer out to my mum's machine.
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By which time the clothes were dry hopefully...
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Old 23.06.2017, 20:33
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Re: London Tower Block Fire

The Hotpoint refridgerator/freezer model number FF175B was made between 2006 and 2009, so the item that blew up on the 4th floor was over 7 years old. You can't blame the manufacturer for an explosion in a 7 year old machine, The heat exchanger at the back was most likely not cleaned and it overheated. It would have smelt badly before exploding.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40380584
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The Hotpoint refridgerator/freezer model number FF175B was made between 2006 and 2009, so the item that blew up on the 4th floor was over 7 years old. You can't blame the manufacturer for an explosion in a 7 year old machine, The heat exchanger at the back was most likely not cleaned and it overheated. It would have smelt badly before exploding.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40380584
I disagree. A dirty heat exchanger will make a stink, but it shouldn't start a fire. A motor not equipped with a thermal cutout overheating, or a an arc in a control circuit is more likely. Who on earth would put a non thermally protected motor in a 24/7 appliance is a bit of a mystery to me.

If that model is prone to setting fire to itself then you can do a recall, which raises the question: If there is a recall, but people don't react to it (bought it 2nd hand at a car boot sale, and never gave it a 2nd thought) how do you remove this risk?

One way is to tighten up on standards and testing to stop poorly designed stuff from reaching the market, but that will make them more expensive, and the mfrs/distributors will scream and shout about how the government is stopping them help consumers.
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Re: London Tower Block Fire

If there was such a smell though, the occupants may either not have noticed it or not known what it was or where it was coming from.

Meanwhile... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40389148

...more than 100 homes in a tower block on a council estate in Camden, north London, are be evacuated because of safety concerns over cladding in the aftermath of the Grenfell Tower fire.
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Old 23.06.2017, 23:27
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If there was such a smell though, the occupants may either not have noticed it or not known what it was or where it was coming from.

Meanwhile... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40389148

...more than 100 homes in a tower block on a council estate in Camden, north London, are be evacuated because of safety concerns over cladding in the aftermath of the Grenfell Tower fire.
If you're in the same (small) living room as a fridge which is about to burst into flames then chances are you'll smell it.

And the evacuations will make Loz happy, on the one hand it is an example of the state showing compassion (Which he was apparently calling for in another thread), and it will also prove that the place is full of illegal and criminal immigrants.
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It's not just Hotpoint fridges that are affected. It seems that fridges are the most common white goods that can go up in smoke.

http://www.ukfiretraining.com/news/f...zer-fires.html


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We’re pleased to let you know that you now have the option to book your modification appointment online. Please use the link below to select a convenient appointment date. Alternatively, if you do not wish to book your appointment online, no further action is required as we will contact you nearer the time to arrange your appointment.




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Re: London Tower Block Fire

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They've been a nightmare to deal with. When the fire happened, I said to my OH that it could be a tumble dryer. Not this time, but it's still one of their products.

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You can only take out contents insurance on a council property.

Now....say it takes your house insurance 3 weeks to make in interim payment? Say they believe a modification made to the property invalidated the insurance and refuse to pay out at all? Say they hold off making a payment until the results of an inquiry or criminal investigation?

I've had a house insurance claim rejected totally because it was the result of a police action. Off the top of your head, do you know the reasons your insurance could use to decline your claim? Do you have enough savings to cover your needs if your claim is declined? How long would it take you to access your savings if all your documentation was lost?
Now if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. The end.

I have house insurance. I have savings to cover unexpected circumstances. I do my utmost to look after myself my dependents, without being a burden on anyone else. This is called taking responsibility for yourself.
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Re: London Tower Block Fire

Camden Council spokesperson thinks that they'll have the cladding replaced in 2-4 weeks.


How many buildings was that again hen?

5?
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Now things will get interesting. Especially when they evacuate 7000 people from 800 flats.

Camden flats being evacuated over cladding
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Old 24.06.2017, 00:12
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Re: London Tower Block Fire

I thought their original plan to have fire marshals permanently stationed outside affected buildings was a much better one. That way they could practice drills, make sure dry risers etc.. are fully functional and be able to respond in minutes to any fire. Its far less disruptive, not to mention cheaper than putting up 000s in hotels with allowances.
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I thought their original plan to have fire marshals permanently stationed outside affected buildings was a much better one. That way they could practice drills, make sure dry risers etc.. are fully functional and be able to respond in minutes to any fire. Its far less disruptive, not to mention cheaper than putting up 000s in hotels with allowances.
The plod can't keep the bridge by the HP sauce factory safe from terrorists. A couple of guys at minimum wage with high vis vests and whistles isn't likely to stop some madman from torching the buildings.
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The plod can't keep the bridge by the HP sauce factory safe from terrorists. A couple of guys at minimum wage with high vis vests and whistles isn't likely to stop some madman from torching the buildings.
I would also add that 'elf and safety PAT testers should go in and check all terrorist appliances

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Re: London Tower Block Fire

I just wonder who the lucky hotel-owners are.

That's like Christmas, Easter, Worldcup and a Royal wedding merged into one event.

I hope they don't forget to retroactively confiscate any profits made from the cheaper cladding.
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Re: London Tower Block Fire

I can imagine that the insurance claims for this are likely to become very complex and go on for years. Based on this, I think that it is correct that the government make some initial payments.

Many of the individual properties are unlikely to have their own contents insurance. This is not an uncommon situation for low income families.

Presumably, their claims would be passed to the insurance company of the flat where the fire started, assuming that it was insured. They could pass the claim to Hotpoint, whose fridge freezer was cited as the cause of the fire.

Additionally, those involved with the installation of the cladding and any other defects with the building are likely to be drawn into this.

If you then include the management company, local authority and government legislation for their part in the tragedy it is not surprising that a claim over over £1 billion is being suggested.

http://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/...rts-71072.aspx
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18 months ago, I registered my tumble dryer in the UK for the Hotpoint modification. It was bought new, was only used for 6mths, but the next time I'm back in the UK, the damned thing is going to the tip and this is why. The extract below, is from an email I received from them on 11 May this year...
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They've been a nightmare to deal with.
Sounds as if it would be worth reporting them to Trading Standards, if you haven't involved them already.
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