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Re: Brits leave Blighty in droves

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The crime problem in the UK isn't because of a lack of police or police powers, it's down to the fact that increasing numbers of citizens have no respect for the law or for civilised behaviour. This stems back to their upbringings where their parents failed to give their kids a sense of discipline and what is 'wrong' and 'right'.

The police can't act to enforce moral and social values on the populace, all they can do is try to keep a lid on the trouble that results from this situation. The police are there to enforce the law, not to act as nannies or surrogate parents.


Switzerland certainly has a big advantage right now because people there mainly have respect for the law and 'proper' conduct and instil that in their kids. However, it's plain to see that this is slowly but surely slipping (well, it seemed that way to me).

I'd give it another decade, two at the most, before you see the same levels of thuggish, anti-social behaviour in CH that currently exist in the UK. God knows what the UK will look like by then......


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Old 22.12.2006, 15:32
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I am not sure that it is not the do gooders who insist on systematically removing all the powers of control that parents have (had). As soon as they start with such a policy here there will be a rapid downturn in social standards...
What powers of control do you mean?
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Old 22.12.2006, 15:37
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I am not sure that it is not the do gooders who insist on systematically removing all the powers of control that parents have (had). As soon as they start with such a policy here there will be a rapid downturn in social standards...
IMO it's not so much that parents have lost their ability to discipline, it's more that parents have become lax at applying discipline themselves.

Most people now seem to be pretty selfish and expect children to fit into _their_ lifestyles. They aren't prepared to do things like impose a stricter regieme in the house and follow a routine for the kids if it means that they can't do their own struff when they want to do it.

Whenever their kids cause a 'situation', they just take the most expedient course of action to make it go away. eg. buying toys, sweets etc. To them, as long as the child is superfically 'happy' (ie. not bugging them) that is all that matters.

Then of course there are the kids of the parents who have already lost any sense of standards - they certainly aren't going to learn social norms and behaviour in their normal family life.


In adult life this translates to a sense that no-one can tell them what to do and that anything they want, they are 'entitled' to. Other people who might have differing needs and opinions are just getting in the way. Depending on the upbringing they may well see verbally and even physically lashing out as an acceptable and successful way of getting what they want in any given situation.


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