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Re: Is gender a spectrum?

Why did OP forget to add a vibrant poll..

"Serious gender check: today, I am a..."

How many options again? So we can adjust the polling answers in V-Bulletin in case we are short of them.
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Re: Is gender a spectrum?

You are confusing gender with syndromes and various forms of retardation.

Do you have any other misconceptions (no pun intended) for me to explain to you?

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at a genetic basis, gender is indeed a spectrum:

46,XX
46,XY
45,X
47,XXY
47,XYY
47,XXX
46,XX male
46,XY female

And that's just at the chromosomal level. If we start heading down the molecular genetic pathway too, we could be here a while...
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You are confusing gender with syndromes and various forms of retardation.

Do you have any other misconceptions (no pun intended) for me to explain to you?
No, I think my 9 or so years as a clinical cytogeneticist has supplied me with sufficient material. Thank you for your concern, however.

Oh, and by the way, mental retardation is not a defining symptom in the main sex chromosome abnormalities; http://www.wikilectures.eu/index.php...ex_Chromosomes. I think you might be confusing them with autosomal disorders, such as Down syndrome, Edwards' sydrome and a multitude of unbalanced chromosomal rearrangements such as translocations, deletions, duplications, inversions etc. It is a complicated subject, so I can accept your lack of understanding. HTH

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Re: Is gender a spectrum?

So you should know better
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"Serious gender check: today, I am a..."
I must be living an unexamined life. When I wake up I don't even evaluate if I still like coffee or not, let alone my gender.

Perhaps my priorities are wrong?
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Re: Is gender a spectrum?

From this link we can conclude that gender is a spectrum for 0.25% of the world's population. And for everyone else it isn't.
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From this link we can conclude that gender is a spectrum for 0.25% of the world's population. And for everyone else it isn't.
So for those of us who just get on with life without requiring pigeon holing
"We are the 99.75%"

Isn't this gender stuff just because the last fad (ADHD or is it anti-vaxxer, I can't keep up) has burnt out? Can't medicate any more kids or kill them with measles?
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Rubbish. Any misalignment between sex and gender is a psychological issue. Gay is different. Intersex is just a first-world-bullshit.

Are you medically qualified. If not you really need to speak to someone who is. A significant % of people are born intersex. And yes, it does lead to many psychological issues. In the ol days, they just cut off any confusing bit- that often led to psychological issues too. So ignorant.
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Isn't this gender stuff just because the last fad (ADHD or is it anti-vaxxer, I can't keep up) has burnt out? Can't medicate any more kids or kill them with measles?
I'm going to regret this, however...


ADHD is not a fad.


Increasing numbers of people are now socially confident enough to be themselves and present whatever gender they wish to present on a given day. I say go for it but stop categorizing and pigeon-holing. There is a very interesting short film by Australian actress Ruby Rose on You tube on this very subject. She "transforms " on camera from a very "girlie girl" to a very handsome tattooed guy. She's challenging this very notion I think: stating that you should be able to present yourself how you wish and that that self image can shift.

There is a little boy at my daughter's playgroup who sometimes feels like wearing a dress, some days he doesn't. Some days he has pigtails, some days not. I used to teach a kid whose sense of self was very fluid. Their choice of name (and therefore the pronoun we used) altered almost half-termly as their (see? I can't even pick he/She years later to describe this kid) sense of self/identity shifted.

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Actually, for EEs the chart could be reduced to Male, Female, Op-amp.
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From this link we can conclude that gender is a spectrum for 0.25% of the world's population. And for everyone else it isn't.
It's still a spectrum, and you're on it whether you care to admit it or not.
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Re: Is gender a spectrum?

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ADHD is not a fad.
- Agree, it is real
- Disagree, the diagnosis and medication is far too prevalent

I *know* parents who wanted their kid to be ADHD or even better be on the Autism Spectrum (specfically to have Asperger's Sysndrome).
I have no idea why.

In other words, the faddish aspects of ADHD (or whatever) detract from the serious treatment and discussion of it, for those who genuninely suffer.

In my circle of friends and family there is both Autism and Aspergers.
No ADHD or anti-Vaxxers though...
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I must be living an unexamined life. When I wake up I don't even evaluate if I still like coffee or not, let alone my gender.

Perhaps my priorities are wrong?
Perhaps but the only person who can tell you, is yourself.

Coffee aside, if a sassy skirt walks by, where do your eyes go? (I said eyes). For that matter, my eyes would probably follow too, inspecting the pattern or aethetics. So, examinations and reasons for them are so personal and driven by a whim, too, really.

There are two notions that stick for me in this today: I can't wait for the moment of our pagant tradition of Easter whipping for an egg as a reward from a chick (where there will be a spectrum form to fill in first, legal liability and all), and for the moment where traditional values and norms are actually a vibrant fad, which is somewhat actually happening. And will more if the political noise surrounding these exceptions doesn't calm down. Disclaimer - I am indeed playing with the term "fad", call you what you wish. A norm...a trait, a tendency, easy to market and sell or use for sb's agenda.

The nuances (spectrum) have been known for ever. The way the knowledge is marketed now, is stereotypical. Inclusion is just a term to beat a lot of opponents over their seemingly dinosaur heads.
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- Agree, it is real
- Disagree, the diagnosis and medication is far too prevalent

I *know* parents who wanted their kid to be ADHD or even better be on the Autism Spectrum (specfically to have Asperger's Sysndrome).
I have no idea why.

In other words, the faddish aspects of ADHD (or whatever) detract from the serious treatment and discussion of it, for those who genuninely suffer.

In my circle of friends and family there is both Autism and Aspergers.
No ADHD or anti-Vaxxers though...
Fair enough. I've encountered similar. In my experience it's somehow easier to have your child labelled with a disorder than acknowledge that there may be another root cause. Some kids are "just" badly behaved. Some not.

I had one parent once proudly inform me that their chronically lazy and defiant child would be "better now" between he had a prescription of pills to ensure he did his homework. I never got to the bottom of that one. I told her to chop the plug off his PlayStation and that would probably do it.
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Re: Is gender a spectrum?

Interesting how the "dinosaur heads" - those from the past as well as those whom some Westerner's consider as such - have a lot less hang-ups.

Times and places where/when being female is/was often not really a desired thing to be.
gender-spectrum-man_dress.jpg

gender-spectrum-heels-baroque_.jpg

Or to put it bluntly: Macho is apparently not a matter of appearances?
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King Charles, Beau Brummell, Beckham, Depp. Redefining masculinity and the metrosexual male I suppose.
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Perhaps but the only person who can tell you, is yourself.

Coffee aside, if a sassy skirt walks by, where do your eyes go? (I said eyes). For that matter, my eyes would probably follow too, inspecting the pattern or aethetics. So, examinations and reasons for them are so personal and driven by a whim, too, really.
My eyes tend to make a holistic evaluation, if at all.

I have no idea of if this is normal or not - I've only ever been me.

What I can say is that if we're both sitting somewhere and the same skirt passes by, and both of us say "Nice legs.", then you are not likely to be labelled as a dirty old man, or a sexist beast. Weirdly, if it's a guy and we both say, "What a good looking guy" I'll get away without being presumed to be homosexual, and you won't be presumed to be lusting after him... unless you slobber after saying it.
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Re: Is gender a spectrum?

just fyi Gender is different than Sex. we tend to get that confused
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My eyes tend to make a holistic evaluation
Mine too. I include both cup size and band size, and potentially even waist size.

If that's not holistic, I don't know what is.
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