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Old 28.07.2017, 12:55
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Simply put: Poland, Hungary and a few others are slowly sliding into authoritarian states that don't agree to the basic values all countries signed up to when they joined the EU. Currently is the EU threatening Poland with removing its right to vote in the comission. That's how bad it is.
It's extremely blinkered to talk about authoritariansim when the most authoritarian country in the EU right now is Germany. Germany single handedly suspended Dublin. They conflate German values with European values and make threatening gestures at other countries for not agreeing with them. They threaten to cut funding to other countries for not agreeing with them in scant disregard of the pluralistic democratic principles on which the EU was founded.

These were not the values most countries signed up to when they joined the EU.

Meanwhile the level of pure biassed crap being reported on German TV and in the German press when it comes to Eastern Europe is honestly beyond the pale. Yet they have the nerve to accuse other countries of having too much influience on the press? Pot kettle black somewhat?
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Old 28.07.2017, 13:12
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Re: Swiss to help in the fight against illegal migration!

In fairness even the German media itself has come out and said that they were part of a propoganda effort :

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The report will show that Germany suffered from “a journalistic power cut”, Die Zeit reported, which left society “dangerously divided”. “The so-called mainstream media” mainly backed Mrs Merkel’s generous refugee policies and uncritically took on “the slogans of the political elite”, Die Zeit added.Teams of researchers from Hamburg media school and the university of Leipzig studied thousands of reports in national and regional newspapers between February 2015 and March 2016 when around a million mainly Muslim migrants were allowed into Germany. Many were refugees from conflict in Syria and Iraq but there were also tens of thousands of economic migrants from Afghanistan, Africa, the Balkans and the Middle East, some of whom have been sent back.
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Old 28.07.2017, 14:13
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In fairness even the German media itself has come out and said that they were part of a propoganda effort :
They have admitted it, yes, but in a pretty low key manner. I have yet to see any apology or any measures proposed or put in place to prevent it happening again.

And I'm not holding my breath either.
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Simply put: Poland, Hungary and a few others are slowly sliding into authoritarian states that don't agree to the basic values all countries signed up to when they joined the EU. Currently is the EU threatening Poland with removing its right to vote in the comission. That's how bad it is.

When Slovakia announced that it will only accept Christian refugees do I for one wonder what the many million of Western European muslim tax payers must be thinking when they know that they are financing these countries. Bottom line: I think a few of these countries should not have been allowed to join the EU and what we need now is the possibility to address what to do with EU members who might have been genuinely in line with the basic values of the EU, but in the meantime changed.

If you don't believe that all people should be legally treated the same regardless of gender, skin color or religion should you not be in the European Union. It's that simple. If you don't believe in the basic concept of refugees and are not accepting any by principle... do you not belong in the EU.
And just as I can understand that migrants try to get into Germany do I understand that Hungary wants German tax money via the EU. I just don't agree to them getting it as I consider it a bad investment.
If you believe in retaining your culture and a national identity then you should not be in the European Union. It's that simple. If you don't believe in the failing concept of multiculturalism...you do not belong in the EU.
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Old 28.07.2017, 16:10
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The fix is simple - Africa needs to learn to deal with its own problems - and Europe needs to grow up too and learn that it cannot solve other people's problems - a fertility rate of 6 per female is unsustainable and all the aid that the EU has pumped into Africa has just led to the misery of many many more.
Methinks the cheapest fix in the long run would be if the church would let them use condoms.
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Old 28.07.2017, 16:22
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Methinks the cheapest fix in the long run would be if the church would let them use condoms.
nah, condoms are even less seaworthy than the dhingies they use now
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Old 28.07.2017, 16:53
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They have admitted it, yes, but in a pretty low key manner. I have yet to see any apology or any measures proposed or put in place to prevent it happening again.

And I'm not holding my breath either.
Where did they admit it? It seemed like an obscure link to an Australian online newspaper, am I right?

In the meantime Martin Schulz declared that Europe doesn't have a refugee crisis, but a solidarity crisis.

Here's another article
http://www.politico.eu/article/germa...efugee-gamble/
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Old 28.07.2017, 17:32
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Where did they admit it? It seemed like an obscure link to an Australian online newspaper, am I right?

In the meantime Martin Schulz declared that Europe doesn't have a refugee crisis, but a solidarity crisis.

Here's another article
http://www.politico.eu/article/germa...efugee-gamble/
I haven't a clue what Schultz thinks he's doing. I expect his style resonates only with those who were planning to vote for him anyway.
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Old 28.07.2017, 17:39
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Where did they admit it? It seemed like an obscure link to an Australian online newspaper, am I right?
Here and here in two mainstream sources.
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Old 28.07.2017, 18:01
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I haven't a clue what Schultz thinks he's doing. I expect his style resonates only with those who were planning to vote for him anyway.
I think he also talked about opening more legal ways to immigration from non-EU countries, which is not a bad thing imho. Asylum is and has been used many times because there is no other way to (legally) settle in Europe.

And of course about redistributing the refugees among the member states but of course it has little chances to work out. Everybody wants in the West but they're cute to keep trying...I think in the end the Westerners will be the only ones to willingly move to EE, there are quite a few cases lately...it would be funny in a different context.
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Old 28.07.2017, 18:14
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I think he also talked about opening more legal ways to immigration from non-EU countries, which is not a bad thing imho. Asylum is and has been used many times because there is no other way to (legally) settle in Europe.
I was under the impression there are plenty of ways. If you have skills that are needed and those skills are in sufficient short supply there are legal ways to get in. I know of plenty of researchers and scientists from all over the world living and working in Europe. They all came here completely legally.

So if you want to come and live in Europe, work hard at school and become an expert at something.

Isn't that a good motivation?

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And of course about redistributing the refugees among the member states but of course it has little chances to work out. Everybody wants in the West but they're cute to keep trying...I think in the end the Westerners will be the only ones to willingly move to EE, there are quite a few cases lately...it would be funny in a different context.
I know of several people doing that, but they're not really the type of people who are likely to add much value to EE. They're more the type who are going there because they see they can get more out of their pension money in a low cost environment such as EE presents. I'm still missing any innovators or entrepreneurs making the move.
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Old 28.07.2017, 18:26
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Re: Swiss to help in the fight against illegal migration!

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Simply put: Poland, Hungary and a few others are slowly sliding into authoritarian states that don't agree to the basic values all countries signed up to when they joined the EU.
Which basic value are you referring to? Fostering illegal immigration?

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In the meantime Martin Schulz declared that Europe doesn't have a refugee crisis, but a solidarity crisis.
It's neither. It's a border control crisis.
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Old 28.07.2017, 19:08
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It's neither. It's a border control crisis.
Not even that.

It's a crisis of concensus.
It's a crisis of democratic discourse.

Some people are acting as if it's so obvious and clear what we need to do about migration that we don't even need to have a discussion. With something that will have as long term and profound effects as mass migartion, you would think it might be worth pasuing and considering all options, implications, opinions and alternatives, consulting the public etc etc. Instead they are in denial about other people even having valid opinions and are just trying to steamroller their solution.

That is the old school definition of authoritarianism.
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Old 28.07.2017, 19:18
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I was under the impression there are plenty of ways. If you have skills that are needed and those skills are in sufficient short supply there are legal ways to get in. I know of plenty of researchers and scientists from all over the world living and working in Europe. They all came here completely legally.
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Well, of course, some have enough money to invest too, but I wasn't talking about those cases. Rather people who are willing to do the jobs that locals don't want, or other less skilled jobs.

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I know of several people doing that, but they're not really the type of people who are likely to add much value to EE. They're more the type who are going there because they see they can get more out of their pension money in a low cost environment such as EE presents. I'm still missing any innovators or entrepreneurs making the move.
There are some entrepreneurs too, let's not be so pessimistic. And I'm not talking about those who have come to cut the woods, kill wild animals, extract gold, oil and other insignificancies like that. Those we have plenty. They're cute.
I know some people who want to return and start great things, I hope the bureaucracy, tax system and what not will improve. We need ours, our kind, to do that. Period.
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Old 28.07.2017, 23:10
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Re: Swiss to help in the fight against illegal migration!

At the same time that Alan's Snackbar has murdered a 50 year old woman in Hamburg and stabbed 4 men a story appeared in the Irish news today that casts a little more light on our "refugee" friends :

A woman on her first night out was viciously raped by a bogus asylum seeker. It should serve as a reminder of the incredible cost that the victims of Cologne , Hamburg , and countless others have had to suffer for the stupidity of political correctness:

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“My trusting nature and heart has been broken,” she said. “I am now a broken person...My belief that people are essentially good and my belief in people around me has been damaged.”

Okda (30), an Egyptian nation formerly of Coolfin, Rathdowney, Co Laois, was found guilty by a jury of two counts of raping the woman and one count of sexually assaulting her at a flat in Dublin city centre on a date in February, 2014.
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Mr Guerin said Okda has 16 previous convictions in Ireland dating back to 2006, none of which are for a sexual offence. They mostly involve driving offences, public order offences and theft.

He was married to an Irish woman and applied for Irish residency on the basis of that marriage, but the Immigration Service was not satisfied the relationship was still functioning and denied the application.

A deportation order was issued and he then claimed asylum. He has been in custody since he was found guilty.
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Re: Swiss to help in the fight against illegal migration!

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At the same time that Alan's Snackbar has murdered a 50 year old woman in Hamburg and stabbed 4 men a story appeared in the Irish news today that casts a little more light on our "refugee" friends :
Third rejected asylum seeker awaiting deportation that has carried out an attack in Germany.
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It's extremely blinkered to talk about authoritariansim when the most authoritarian country in the EU right now is Germany. Germany single handedly suspended Dublin. They conflate German values with European values and make threatening gestures at other countries for not agreeing with them. They threaten to cut funding to other countries for not agreeing with them in scant disregard of the pluralistic democratic principles on which the EU was founded.

These were not the values most countries signed up to when they joined the EU.

Meanwhile the level of pure biassed crap being reported on German TV and in the German press when it comes to Eastern Europe is honestly beyond the pale. Yet they have the nerve to accuse other countries of having too much influience on the press? Pot kettle black somewhat?
Actually when they suspended Dublin agreement I thought they were doing a favour to other countries, especially to Greece. Let's remember those huge groups of people marching through Europe, if it wasn't for Germany to welcome them I don't know what could have happened.
I still believe that all of these didn't happen "spontaneously" and it was quite a good and well executed plan to destabilise EU. Germany stayed calm, they did well in those moments. Insisting that we could keep going at the same pace it's very naive though.
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Third rejected asylum seeker awaiting deportation that has carried out an attack in Germany.
It's probably about the right time to shut this thread down.
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It's probably about the right time to shut this thread down.
We really don't like doing that, so can I ask all participants to chill a bit and stop making more antagonistic posts? It's clear that people don't agree, but regardless of any given viewpoint continuing to repost the same arguments does no one any good.

Thanks.
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