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Old 15.08.2017, 17:35
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You have no idea what we're talking about, do you?

Its always amusing when someone runs out of arguments and has only ad hominem as a last resort. I'll give you a pass on this one, ignorance is not to be ridiculed.
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Its always amusing when someone runs out of arguments and has only ad hominem as a last resort. I'll give you a pass on this one, ignorance is not to be ridiculed.
Well, I'm quite enjoying ridiculing your ignorance.

Go back to the start of the page and read the posts again. This time you might want to open your eyes. It helps.
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They're pretty much the same place to anyone from this side of the Atlantic: hot, violent and full of weirdoes.
I could see that, just wanted to educate.

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Maybe it's the seaside that makes Americans go loopy?
Perhaps you're right
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Old 15.08.2017, 17:41
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Well, I'm quite enjoying ridiculing your ignorance.

Go back to the start of the page and read the posts again. This time you might want to open your eyes. It helps.
Ad hominem again. Game over for you I guess. I'll let you entertain us further with how glorious the world is because the British opened the eyes of the world which was blind before that.
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Ad hominem again. Game over for you I guess. I'll let you entertain us further with how glorious the world is because the British opened the eyes of the world which was blind before that.
Actually, the Hellenic revival in Greece owed more to the French than the Brits, but the island monkeys were the main foreign sponsors of the revolution, so surely some credit is deserved for that.

Now go and read those posts again and try to use that squishy thing inside your head.

I'm beginning to think that Basil II had the right idea...
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Old 15.08.2017, 17:53
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...but the island monkeys were the main foreign sponsors of the revolution...
Would you care to expand on that?
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The whole iconoclast thing has taken on a new dimension.

Protesters pull down a statue in Durham NC.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...tue/567741001/
Shouldn't they be charged with vandalism / property damage?
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I've only ever felt nervous twice in America:

1) Once when we accidentally drove through Gary, IN. I'd never seen such a segregated place before in my entire life, and it was disturbing.

2) Once when we were in a Walmart at two in the morning. We were surrounded by people who looked - to my ignorant English eyes - like extras from Miami Vice and Starsky and Hutch. It wasn't so much that the people were necessarily scary, rather that as an alien I couldn't read the social signals. One look at my completely unbotheredintheslightest wife put me straight, though.

Experiences like this help us to understand the reactions of visitors to Switzerland when they see women in hijab or gangs of bored Somalis hanging round the station. Everywhere is slightly weird if you're an out-of-towner.
I felt very nervous only once, in Newark at the train station - me standing there in business suit, being stared and whistled at, and on top of it a huge fight/riot started right outside the station, with the police showing up in full assault gear. Between the police and the people rioting outside, and the drunks hollering things I would not repeat inside, I could not wait to get out of there. I generally keep a very low profile and mind my own business, but I was scared. I've refused to take the train to Newark-city since, I'd rather deal with the pain of the airport, or I take the train and stop at the Newark airport station, or go all the way to NYC, and have my colleagues or my clients send someone to pick me up from there.

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People often put stuff in museums to tell a story.
I believe all the confederacy statues and other confederacy paraphernalia belong in a museum, and there they should be displayed, not necessarily in a public square. That way, you are preserving the historic memory, but are not celebrating one of the worst times in American history.
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Old 15.08.2017, 17:58
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(The Swiss were a bit neglected but now the the expats finally discovered us too )
A come on. They gave us Skiing, Curling, Bobsled, and not forget the the naval battles of Lake Zurich http://www.villmergerkriege.ch/Schil...iegsflotte.htm
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Old 15.08.2017, 18:01
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Good to see people still laughing in difficult times.

The super-Troll of the year award definietly goes to ...

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Old 15.08.2017, 18:08
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I believe all the confederacy statues and other confederacy paraphernalia belong in a museum, and there they should be displayed, not necessarily in a public square. That way, you are preserving the historic memory, but are not celebrating one of the worst times in American history.
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A come on. They gave us Skiing, Curling, Bobsled, and not forget the the naval battles of Lake Zurich http://www.villmergerkriege.ch/Schil...iegsflotte.htm
You're right. Not to forget all the wonderful advice on how to run our country and the millions laws we should implement. They can't help it, only thing we know for sure is: It's not in the water.
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Re: I hate Illinois Nazis!

Does anyone believe that these people will stop at Confederate statues?

Remove and destroy them all, they will move on to the next thing that offends them.
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Shouldn't they be charged with vandalism / property damage?
They should.

The removal of the General Lee statue in Charlottesville was voted for by the city council.

This, on the other hand, is just plain vandalism.
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Old 15.08.2017, 18:14
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Re: I hate Illinois Nazis!

How is removing confederate statues in the US any different from removing Nazi memorials in Germany?

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Old 15.08.2017, 18:14
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I believe all the confederacy statues and other confederacy paraphernalia belong in a museum, and there they should be displayed, not necessarily in a public square. That way, you are preserving the historic memory, but are not celebrating one of the worst times in American history.
Museums are public squares for the culturally literate, and for those who pretend to be.

At the end of the day whether you can see them for free or whether you need to pay for the pleasure amounts to the same thing, only you're being elitist about it. You know, education being wasted on the working classes and all that.
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Old 15.08.2017, 18:20
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Does anyone believe that these people will stop at Confederate statues?

Remove and destroy them all, they will move on to the next thing that offends them.
Nope. Like most vandalism, I suspect it has less to do with the statue itself and more to do with mob mentality and doing dumb stuff to be part of a group.

Edit - and a good (but long) article I read today on How America Lost Its Mind. Well worth the time to read, imo:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...s-mind/534231/
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I felt very nervous only once, in Newark at the train station - me standing there in business suit, being stared and whistled at, and on top of it a huge fight/riot started right outside the station, with the police showing up in full assault gear. Between the police and the people rioting outside, and the drunks hollering things I would not repeat inside, I could not wait to get out of there. I generally keep a very low profile and mind my own business, but I was scared. I've refused to take the train to Newark-city since, I'd rather deal with the pain of the airport, or I take the train and stop at the Newark airport station, or go all the way to NYC, and have my colleagues or my clients send someone to pick me up from there.



They could try white sheets. Oh wait...



I believe all the confederacy statues and other confederacy paraphernalia belong in a museum, and there they should be displayed, not necessarily in a public square. That way, you are preserving the historic memory, but are not celebrating one of the worst times in American history.
I heard those dreadful stories about crime committed by Latino and Afro-Americans from Elizabeth and Newark in the hood. My 90 something years of age aunt used to say, "they moved in, we moved out and got pushed out into suburbs. Hoboken across Hudson River, after glorious days of Frank Sinatra, was a dump but now they fixing it up (in early 1990) and so on and so forth". I did work few months in my cousins factory where Spanics competed with Pollacks, and all the conservatism thrived. Yet, I had friends on both sides and used to get along with everyone. Just use your common sense when tempted to roam the streets, don't stick out your nose after midnight nearby local ghettos and try to avoid being in the "in wrong place at wrong time". I guess, I had natural ability to understand different cultures and no averse to changes.
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How is removing confederate statues in the US any different from removing Nazi memorials in Germany?

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Exactly! Neither of them belong in the public space.

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Museums are public squares for the culturally literate, and for those who pretend to be.

At the end of the day whether you can see them for free or whether you need to pay for the pleasure amounts to the same thing, only you're being elitist about it. You know, education being wasted on the working classes and all that.
I disagree. Museums are open to all, and, in many cases, they are free or have specials so that they are accessible to all regardless of income. In the much-criticized "elitist" Washington DC, all major museums are free of charge and open to everyone.

Having said that, if someone is not interested in the cultural aspects, they won't be so whether the statue is in a museum or a square. Let's be honest here - the folks who protested the removal of the statue from a public square in Charlottesville are all but interested in the cultural aspects of the Civil War and the Confederacy...
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How is removing confederate statues in the US any different from removing Nazi memorials in Germany?

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I don't think there are any monuments to nazi leaders left, but there are still soldier's memorials and similar.
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Museums are public squares for the culturally literate, and for those who pretend to be.

At the end of the day whether you can see them for free or whether you need to pay for the pleasure amounts to the same thing, only you're being elitist about it. You know, education being wasted on the working classes and all that.
I disagree.
Either you display all the stuff (sorry) in public places or none. You give the mob these - often ugly - statues of long dead politicians not everybody agrees with/wants to be faced with and pretend it's a social act?
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