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Old 15.08.2017, 22:02
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Re: I hate Illinois Nazis!

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He's wearing a Star of David pendant.

The "anti-Nazi" crowd are apparently attacking a Jewish man.

... which, unfortunately, doesn't surprise me at all.
Thanks. Had to go full screen to see it without finding my reading specs. Nowt surprises me about US 'politics' anymore. 'Lest we forget' is wasted on Millennials.
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Re: I hate Illinois Nazis!

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He's wearing a Star of David pendant.

The "anti-Nazi" crowd are apparently attacking a Jewish man.

... which, unfortunately, doesn't surprise me at all.
I think the worst part of the whole situation is that it only takes one accusation for them to all pile in. No thought. No question. Proper mob rule.
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Old 15.08.2017, 23:33
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Re: I hate Illinois Nazis!

Both sides to blame in Virginia - Trump
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40943425

Therefore, if you happened to be a proverbial "poor bugger" to be there either a victim, or a bystander or a library user in wrong time on campus caught inbetween, you are still sharing a good part of a blame with the rest of the protesting crowd.

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Old 15.08.2017, 23:51
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So it's just the New England BOSTON Patriots thing (used to be my NFL team in the 80's).
(Received. Waiting for OH to get home so that I can interogate him )
FTFY.

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P.S. Every time I here the name Virginia, I always think of the (hot) mayor of Rome!
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Old 16.08.2017, 01:36
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FTFY.

Tom

P.S. Every time I here the name Virginia, I always think of the (hot) mayor of Rome!
I see, power is an aphrodisiac......
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Old 16.08.2017, 01:44
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Maybe I should have specified: I do - seriously - not think statues of people should be placed in public places.
I'm fine with buildings, street-names etc. as a part of a towns history.


AH! And there lies the problem! << to future generations what is right and what is wrong.>>? I think this thread has shown clearly how much "what's right and what's wrong" changes over the years.


No I don't, see above.
So you got the 95% staring at their phones and the 5% interested. The maniacs who tear the statues down are ..... ?


Keep dreaming
Imagine, if following this reasoning, they would have scrapped e.g. Forum Romanum, Coloseum, Palatino or four major basilicas from Ancient Rome because the ancient Romans were cruel, polygamous and blood thirsty colonizing bastards, there wouldn't have been any historical heritage left. Not to mention, growing economy based on tourism. It's not a question who was right or who was wrong in history back then, it's about remnants of our ancestors civilization from which we can learn, by analyzing their habits, way of thinking and all mistakes and goodness made in the course of their miserable gold digging lives.

Somebody suggested that museum is a less provocative place for such, so be it. Don't scrap monuments completely though for sake of our offsprings education.
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What is the reason for this group of people heading to Boston on Saturday? Any statues involved there? I note that 3 of the main speakers have dropped out now.

From what I can gather, Charlottesville was part of a national tour, and the statue was a convenient side issue.
There was a similar rally in Charlottesville in early July, also a protest against taking down Lee's statue. Actually, it appears the picture with the black cop protecting Nazis and other vermin was taken then, rather than at the recent rally. Here's a story by Time magazin, though that's probably just a rehersal of others that were quicker.

Rumor has it that this prior rally saw unwarranted police brutality, which if true may explain the rather hesitant reaction a few days ago that the police got heavily criticized for.
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Re: I hate Illinois Nazis!

Why is the Capitalist always left out of the picture. He's destroys more than all these groups together
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Nazis - Let's commit genocide

Nationalist - I support all people's right to self determination.

Trump supporter - Yeah, I voted for Trump.

Leftist - I cannot tell these apart!
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Old 16.08.2017, 10:19
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Re: I hate Illinois Nazis!

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He's wearing a Star of David pendant.

The "anti-Nazi" crowd are apparently attacking a Jewish man.

... which, unfortunately, doesn't surprise me at all.
Anyone can wear a pendant, maybe he thought it would make them think he was Jewish? Infiltration?
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Anyone can wear a pendant, maybe he thought it would make them think he was Jewish? Infiltration?
You almost sound like you're excusing the violence against him.
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Old 16.08.2017, 10:23
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Why is the Capitalist always left out of the picture. He's destroys more than all these groups together
Thats exactly what Capitalism want, its called a smoke screen and it works, exceptionaly well. Distract the people from the real questions, focus the blame on something or someone else. Let them fight amongst eachother.
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You almost sound like you're excusing the violence against him.
Nope, not at all, but the only good fascist is a dead fascist.
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Nope, not at all, but the only good fascist is a dead fascist.
And the evidence for this long haired, star-of-david-wearing hippy being a fascist is...?
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Thats exactly what Capitalism want, its called a smoke screen and it works, exceptionaly well. Distract the people from the real questions, focus the blame on something or someone else. Let them fight amongst eachother.
This is precisely what the New Left has been doing since the 1960s, with a marvellous degree of success.

We don't hear much talk of the class struggle between all the fuss about transgender rights, General Lee statues and gay marriage, do we?

Funny, that...
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This is precisely what the New Left has been doing since the 1960s, with a marvellous degree of success.

We don't hear much talk of the class struggle between all the fuss about transgender rights, General Lee statues and gay marriage, do we?

Funny, that...
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False Flag! Those are obviously white supremacists dressed up as Democrats to make people like you think the left is bad.
No,no nio

This is a white supremacist dressed up as a democrat.



It's when the new right steals the language and symbols of the democrats that they get really angry.

You can't do this shit. We invented it first.



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Old 16.08.2017, 10:58
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Re: I hate Illinois Nazis!

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This is precisely what the New Left has been doing since the 1960s, with a marvellous degree of success.

We don't hear much talk of the class struggle between all the fuss about transgender rights, General Lee statues and gay marriage, do we?

Funny, that...
The class struggle is still there.

But seeing the working classes have proven themselves unworthy of the struggle that is being waged on their behalf and chosen to be cheated and used by somebody else, they are now the enemy.
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And the evidence for this long haired, star-of-david-wearing hippy being a fascist is...?
I don't, I just saw this this morning, possibly he was recognized. I mean put it together, why would they attack him, because he was white? Maybe someone noticed he was listening to Lynard Skynard? Who knows?

I dont actually condone this guy getting a kicking, unless he really was infiltrating that side of the protest. Could be a Breitbart journalist for all I know.

Why did you start a thread saying I hate Illinois Nazis then progress onto I hate Illinois Lefties? The mind boggles!
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I don't, I just saw this this morning, possibly he was recognized. I mean put it together, why would they attack him, because he was white? Maybe someone noticed he was listening to Lynard Skynard? Who knows?

I dont actually condone this guy getting a kicking, unless he really was infiltrating that side of the protest. Could be a Breitbart journalist for all I know.

Why did you start a thread saying I hate Illinois Nazis then progress onto I hate Illinois Lefties? The mind boggles!
Well, now you've started advocating death and violence yourself. The thread could soon progress onto 'I hate Switzerland Expat Lefties'...
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I disagree. Museums are open to all, and, in many cases, they are free or have specials so that they are accessible to all regardless of income. In the much-criticized "elitist" Washington DC, all major museums are free of charge and open to everyone.
Yes

But isn't that a bit like the story about the Mexican fisherman and the management consultant where the fisherman gives up fishing so he can spend more time fishing and calls that progress.

You take a statue from a place where everybody can see it, put it in a place where few people see it, and then call yourself magnanimous when you scrap admission fees to that place? Isn't that a bit like saying that not stealing is the same as giving?

You can see a lot of Egyptian and Greek stuff in the British Museum, in the Louvre, etc etc. On certain days you can even get in free. But people still pay a lot of money to go and see rather less well cared for and inferior specimens of the same in the countries where they belong. That's becauise context does matter.
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