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Old 14.08.2017, 03:56
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I don't understand why they can't be proud of their heritage and culture without resorting to hate.
Wow ! I thought you understand everything ;-(
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One of the things I noticed in Switzerland was the fact many were proud of their nation and history (as they should be). This is how the US was when I grew up, today though is another story. In media, American history is often shamed and people will outwardly tell you your ancestors and history are [insert negative adjective here]. I just laugh at those people because they are truly fools, I largely view their ideology as a hate cult no different than KKK; just the opposite extreme. These sorts of white pride ideas are just a reaction to white shame and minority promotion as opposed to American pride which is what should be promoted.
Big difference is that Switzerland was not formed via slavery or wiping out the indigenous people of the land, pride doesn't come from merely being Suisse but the culture and way of life. Moreoever they are not generally flagwavers to be whipped into a nationalistic fervor
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Big difference is that Switzerland was not formed via slavery or wiping out the indigenous people of the land
Pssst... you know Germans aren't indigenous to the Alps, right?
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Big difference is that Switzerland was not formed via slavery or wiping out the indigenous people of the land
There may be just a little more to the forming of this nation than slavery and genocide.

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pride doesn't come from merely being Suisse but the culture and way of life.
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Moreoever they are not generally flagwavers to be whipped into a nationalistic fervor
My exposure was limited but the Swiss I saw and interacted with did not seem the type to be cajoled or persuaded into any sort of mass behavior. They struck me as sensible and educated, people who thought things through. Americans, well...
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Old 14.08.2017, 09:04
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Moreoever they are not generally flagwavers to be whipped into a nationalistic fervor
Anybody can be whipped into a flag waving nationalistic fervor, itīs just a matter of pushing the right buttons.
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My exposure was limited but the Swiss I saw and interacted with did not seem the type to be cajoled or persuaded into any sort of mass behavior. They struck me as sensible and educated, people who thought things through. Americans, well...
Europeans have more culture. A long history of bloody wars, started on the whim of rulers and politicians, and fought locally, tends to make one suspect politicians and rulers who are too uppity, or too eager to see an enemy worthy of attacking.

They're not better, but they do tend to see politics and political organization as an imperfect, but necessary, evil.

The lack of a "Godhead" model of the leader, the belief that some piece of paper (Either a constitution or a Munich agreement) is enough to stop us killing each other in our own back yards, as well as having more than two political parties are more significant than most Americans imagine.
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You'd hope not. But the fact that he doesn't really speak out against them - only in vague general terms, and the fact that he seems reluctant to disavow/reject his supporters like David Duke - it suggests complicity. He's happy to accept their support.
It depends what you want to hear. He spoke out against violence on all sides which has led to this situation. He has a point. The neo-Nazis protests aren't the cause violence, they're the result of years of perpetuation of identity politics.

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What is really sad that such young boy 20-years of age ruins his life and career by following the wrong ideology.

https://www.google.ch/amp/s/mobile.n...iver-.amp.html
That asshole should feel the full force of the law. He's no better than the terrorist in Nice or Berlin. If you have to resort to violence to get your argument across then you have no argument.
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Old 14.08.2017, 10:22
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Walt Disney or Henry Ford aren't considered to be Nazis, but they were supporters of Adolf Hitler nonetheless.

Trumps ideology obviously isn't that of being a National Socialist. In fact, all his "National" rhetoric are pure crap. He'd buy anything built abroad if it saves him a penny.

Is he a socialist? Obviously not either.

He's a brutal capitalist. One that wants capitalism in it's most brutal form. One that would love to see half-slavery coming back alive, to earn more money for the few rich, and de-facto enslavement for the masses.

Don't get me wrong, I also prefer capitalism over communism. But it has to be a social market economy. The one in Switzerland works fairly well. Please no German or Swedish levels, I don't want a nanny state either.

But the State needs to be in control over crucial infrastructure. Free market isn't the right thing in every area.

Capitalism let loose is a rather terrible thing. And it's just been roughly 25 years since the capitalists were "let go loose". Till then, capitalism couldn't go all extreme, they had to show that their system was better than that of the Communists. That everyone had a chance.

That's pretty much off the table. Now it's back to 19th century style capitalism. And with shrinking middle classes, I doubt it's getting better.

Shrinking middle classes are a reality, in the US and quite a few developed western countries.

That's because pure Capitalism isn't about fair chance, but about abusing what you can. It eventually destroyed a country from within. When all wealth is concentrated with just a few, when people have to life in "Gated Communities", then it's heading the wrong way.

Trump knows that he won't win much votes when he would tell the people what he really wants. But he knows how to get the dumb to vote for him. The people who were left out, because of the very capitalism he and his friends are running.

Basically he stole their bread and blamed the Commies for it.
Thank you for this, perfect description and explanation
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Old 14.08.2017, 10:32
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Screw him , he had a choice - what about his victims ?
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Anybody can be whipped into a flag waving nationalistic fervor, itīs just a matter of pushing the right buttons.
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It depends what you want to hear. He spoke out against violence on all sides which has led to this situation. He has a point. The neo-Nazis protests aren't the cause violence, they're the result of years of perpetuation of identity politics.



That asshole should feel the full force of the law. He's no better than the terrorist in Nice or Berlin. If you have to resort to violence to get your argument across then you have no argument.
True. I was merely indicating the fact that youth at this age should set goals for the future and serve better purpose in life than succumbing to extremists ideologies.

I'm convinced that he should serve a severe punishment for committing the second degree murder.
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Old 14.08.2017, 10:35
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Re: I hate Illinois Nazis!

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Some nice stereotyping going on here.

I'm purebred English, going back to at least the 18th century. If some of the stud farmers on this thread are to be believed, I should be waving a swastika flag around and calling for the return of slavery.



Sorry to have disappointed you.
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Yep. The mixing solution is for those without brain. Then again you might be right, nothing works for those.

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In human' nature is striving to survive. We are not animals we are just one heck a lot of a dumb tissue of DNA chain trying to eliminate the weaker tissues of DNA chain, to be able to dominate biosphere. So sad.
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...and everybody sang Kumbayah. Only that is not what happens in the real world, here one bunch of monkeys in one tree hates the other monkeys in the other tree, even if the monkeys started off as one family. There is no mixing, no interbreeding, there will be new cultures and societies though and they will continue to hate the other monkeys. Nothing has changed since Thag and Ugg banged rocks.>>
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Old 14.08.2017, 10:41
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Not at all.


Yep. The mixing solution is for those without brain. Then again you might be right, nothing works for those.


You keep messing up the quotes, mate!
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...and everybody sang Kumbayah. Only that is not what happens in the real world, here one bunch of monkeys in one tree hates the other monkeys in the other tree, even if the monkeys started off as one family. There is no mixing, no interbreeding, there will be new cultures and societies though and they will continue to hate the other monkeys. Nothing has changed since Thag and Ugg banged rocks.>>
I know. The post was mistakenly written with half quote mark from slammer and if you quote it, it automatically shows your name. Just simply didn't fix this error!
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Old 14.08.2017, 10:45
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I know. The post was mistakenly written with half quote mark from slammer and if you quote it, it automatically shows your name. Just didn't fix it!
my fault again I suppose
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my fault again I suppose
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There may be just a little more to the forming of this nation than slavery and genocide.
Maybe but slavery and genocide were also a significant part of it - a brief reading of Roman history would confirm that - even if more than 2000 years ago.
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It's probably worth observing, in the middle of this "who's a bigger fascist" pissing match, that the United States is one of the oldest democracies in the world. Two centuries and counting...

Might be worth remembering that before we accuse an entire nation of a third of a billion of being stupid and easily incited to violence.
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It's probably worth observing, in the middle of this "who's a bigger fascist" pissing match, that the United States is one of the oldest democracies in the world. Two centuries and counting...

Might be worth remembering that before we accuse an entire nation of a third of a billion of being stupid and easily incited to violence.
It only takes a few....
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It's probably worth observing, in the middle of this "who's a bigger fascist" pissing match, that the United States is one of the oldest democracies in the world. Two centuries and counting...

Might be worth remembering that before we accuse an entire nation of a third of a billion of being stupid and easily incited to violence.
Uhh! Trying to figure out if this is grade "A" sarcasm or not.
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It's probably worth observing, in the middle of this "who's a bigger fascist" pissing match, that the United States is one of the oldest democracies in the world. Two centuries and counting...

Might be worth remembering that before we accuse an entire nation of a third of a billion of being stupid and easily incited to violence.
True. But age doesn't prevent dementia, more the contrary. Any system can be subverted.

Germany can't use the "One bad apple" argument for Hitler (and they know that), but when the German minister for education warned that Bush appeared to be subverting the system she was shouted down from both sides of the aisle (iirc) and lost her job.

Just because it's America, and it's old, and it's mostly worked, doesn't make it infallible. Exceptionalism isn't a counterargument, it's a sleight of hand.
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We all know crimes and attacks are not reported the same, and that particularly in the USA. Had a black driver driven into the crowd of protestors, or one with a Muslim background - we all know Trump would have reacted VERY differently.

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Yep. The mixing solution is for those without brain. Then again you might be right, nothing works for those.
Wow, that sounds so....dr. Mengele-esque to me...I am sure the intentions were good though.
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