Barcelona: Van rams into crowd - Page 8

parnell · #**141** 22.08.2017, 23:39

And in an all too familiar twist to the story

Imam behind Barcelona terror attacks used human rights to fight deportation from Spain

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	The imam accused of masterminding the Barcelona terrorist attacks should have been deported at the end of his prison sentence for drug smuggling, but overturned the ruling by arguing it would breach his human rights, it has emerged. Islamic preacher Abdelbaki Es Satty was told he must comply with an expulsion order when he left jail in April 2014, according to the Spanish daily, El Mundo. But the 42-year-old Moroccan won an appeal against the decision after arguing his case in front of a judge... The preacher followed up his court win by seeking asylum through lawyers in an application filed on November 29 2014, according to El Mundo. The decision meant that he was able to move freely among the 26 EU countries that form part of the Schengen area.

kriss kross · #**142** 23.08.2017, 00:20

	Quote:	parnell
	And in an all too familiar twist to the story Imam behind Barcelona terror attacks used human rights to fight deportation from Spain

Yeah but that imam wasn't a true Muslim anyway.

rainer_d · #**143** 23.08.2017, 11:46

Wow, they wanted to blow up the Sagrada Familia:

https://www.nzz.ch/international/akt...ter-ld.1312116

If they hadn't blown-up themselves the night before, that is.

That's really a terrible thought.

kriss kross · #**144** 23.08.2017, 21:13

European Cities Add Barriers to Thwart Vehicle Attacks

Wouldn't it be great if European countries simply enforced border control instead of erecting barriers around everything else?

Blueangel · #**145** 23.08.2017, 21:35

	Quote:	kriss kross
	Wouldn't it be great if European countries simply enforced border control instead of erecting barriers around everything else?

What bit of domestic terrorism do you not care to understand? The vast majority of terrorists, even some of the ones in Barcelona, are born in the country that they attack. It's no coincidence that Daesh recruit native people who can move around freely and have local knowledge.

parnell · #**146** 23.08.2017, 22:02

	Quote:	Blueangel
	What bit of domestic terrorism do you not care to understand? The vast majority of terrorists, even some of the ones in Barcelona, are born in the country that they attack. It's no coincidence that Daesh recruit native people who can move around freely and have local knowledge.

Source ?? What part of terrorists abusing the asylum laws to remain in Europe and kill more people don-t you understand ??

kriss kross · #**147** 23.08.2017, 22:34

	Quote:	Blueangel
	What bit of domestic terrorism do you not care to understand? The vast majority of terrorists, even some of the ones in Barcelona, are born in the country that they attack.

We can't change the past but we can learn from it...

baboon · #**148** 23.08.2017, 22:55

	Quote:	parnell
	Source ?? What part of terrorists abusing the asylum laws to remain in Europe and kill more people don-t you understand ??

Clearly the part that you can't be bothered to read or understand that says most if them have nothing to do with asylum laws.

Most of those responsible for recent attacks were born in the country attacked and not there as refugees

Blueangel · #**149** 23.08.2017, 23:51

	Quote:	kriss kross
	We can't change the past but we can learn from it...

...and what we need to learn is, the fundamental difference between how al Qaeda and Daesh operate, is that the latter is far more inclined to use homegrown kids that have been radicalised. If you ignore that, you're taking your eye off the ball massively.

It might surprise you, but I'm largely for tighter border controls at ports and airports. I've spent enough years dealing with people who flout the rules of the Schengen visa and think it doesn't apply to them. I'm all for much tighter restrictions on what you can carry in luggage, particularly hand luggage, and what should be available for sale airside at airports. Again, I've spent enough hours behind idiots who really don't 'get' that you can't take a 200ml bottle of your favourite crappy aftershave/perfume in hand luggage, and no hissy fit is going to change that. First cross word and I'd be shredding their boarding pass.

However...you cannot say tightening borders is the solution to all our ills. It isn't! I wish that life were so simple...

Abaaoud was born in Anderlecht. He was the mastermind behind the Paris attacks, which are to date, the most lethal attack.

Some of the Barcelona attackers were born in Spain. What shocks me is how many of them were under 21. It shouldn't shock me because I saw the SS graves at Berchtesgaden, where the oldest one was 22.

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	Most of the Paris attackers were French and Belgian citizens who crossed borders without difficulty, albeit registered as terrorism suspects.[23] Two other attackers were Iraqi.[22] According to the French prime minister, Manuel Valls, several of the perpetrators had exploited Europe's immigration crisis to enter the continent undetected.[25] At least some, including the alleged leader Abdelhamid Abaaoud, had visited Syria and returned radicalised. Jean-Charles Brisard, a French expert on terrorism, called this a change of paradigm, in that returning European citizens were themselves the attackers.[26]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novemb...s#Perpetrators

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7317991.html

Castro · #**150** 23.08.2017, 23:55

	Quote:	kriss kross
	Yeah but that imam wasn't a true* Muslim anyway.*

Well he tried to apply for a job at the local mosque and was refused after he declined to provide a criminal history check. They then reported him to the police, so something seems to be going right.

#**151** 24.08.2017, 00:05

In Holland / Rotterdam they just found a Spanish van with gascilinders by a concerthal where Allah las (rockband) would perform. They got tipped upfront and decided to cancel the concert and conduct a great search.

Their response was much higher than average, so it is to be assumed the tip came from an already trusted source.

kriss kross · #**152** 24.08.2017, 00:26

	Quote:	Blueangel
	However...you cannot say tightening borders is the solution to all our ills. It isn't! I wish that life were so simple... Abaaoud was born in Anderlecht. He was the mastermind behind the Paris attacks, which are to date, the most lethal attack.

Less Islam = Less Islamic terrorism.

Oliveswiss · #**153** 24.08.2017, 11:17

This was very upsetting. Not really sure of where in the world is a safe place to live.

praying for the families who lost their dear ones.

bigblue2 · #**154** 24.08.2017, 11:34

these thread are great at exposing bigots and racists

#**155** 24.08.2017, 11:36

Well, credit where it's due: if it wasn't for the islamists' failed attack in Rotterdam, I'd never have heard of the Allah-Las.

They're great!

#**156** 24.08.2017, 12:21

Some further info as to the world class balls up made by the Catalan police in this case.

https://twitter.com/Debradelai/statu...18925407182849

Castro · #**157** 24.08.2017, 13:57

	Quote:	kriss kross
	Less Islam = Less Islamic terrorism.

Hate to burst your bubble, but the opposite is actually true. More and better Islamic education = Less Islamist terrorism.

One of the most in-depth studies on Western Jihadis was conducted by MI5 and their conclusion was stark, a good Islamic education actually immunises against violent extremism.

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	Far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. Very few have been brought up in strongly religious households, and there is a higher than average proportion of converts. Some are involved in drug-taking, drinking alcohol and visiting prostitutes. MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation.

kriss kross · #**158** 24.08.2017, 14:48

	Quote:	Castro
	Hate to burst your bubble, but the opposite is actually true. More and better Islamic education = Less Islamist terrorism.

Europe needs less Islam, not more.

parnell · #**159** 24.08.2017, 14:52

	Quote:	Castro
	Hate to burst your bubble, but the opposite is actually true.

If that was true then Poland who didn't allow any/many Islamic refugees would be having a massive issue with Islamic terrorism now wouldn't it ?

parnell · #**160** 24.08.2017, 14:54

	Quote:	baboon
	Clearly the part that you can't be bothered to read or understand that says most if them have nothing to do with asylum laws. Most of those responsible for recent attacks were born in the country attacked and not there as refugees

And again for the hard of reading

	Quote:
	The imam accused of masterminding the Barcelona terrorist attacks should have been deported at the end of his prison sentence for drug smuggling, but overturned the ruling by arguing it would breach his human rights, it has emerged. Islamic preacher Abdelbaki Es Satty was told he must comply with an expulsion order when he left jail in April 2014, according to the Spanish daily, El Mundo. But the 42-year-old Moroccan won an appeal against the decision after arguing his case in front of a judge... The preacher followed up his court win by seeking asylum through lawyers in an application filed on November 29 2014, according to El Mundo. The decision meant that he was able to move freely among the 26 EU countries that form part of the Schengen area.