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What I gathered from what you wrote and what I think - PC is used unilateraly and for an agenda of a certain mindset. .

They key word in PC syntagm is political and NOT correctness as far as I noticed. But yeah, I prefer common sense and what people would say out of politeness (kindness is out of the question, am not that naive anymore) and not out of some heavily pushed "correctness".
In the absence of any kind of common sense I'd probably take the PC silly stuff..who knows.
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The story behind "squaw" becoming taboo in English is absurd
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But the fact remains that now, amongst American speakers of English, the word is taboo.
Of course it is, I was glad to find out. What part of that don't you get?

Patience, ol' man.
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They key word in PC syntagm is political and not correctness as far as I noticed. But yeah, I prefer common sense and what people would say out of politeness (kindness is out of the question, am not that naive anymore) and not out of some heavily pushed "correctness".
In the absence of any kind of common sense I'd probably take the PC silly stuff..who knows.

I know. I get the polite part, everybody does. I think both the political and the correct parts are iffy, to say the least.
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Which bit of englishforum.ch do you not understand?

The story behind "squaw" becoming taboo in English is absurd. But the fact remains that now, amongst American speakers of English, the word is taboo.

Nobody in the English speaking world gives a shit what you call Native American women in Slovenian or Swahili or Mongolian. In English, in 2017, it is considered offensive.

But please, go ahead and use it if you like. Just don't expect people to read beyond that point and take the rest of what you say seriously.
As long as they still have a major sports team named redskins can I not take Americans too serious when they are offended about "squaw" though...
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As long as they still have a major sports team named redskins can I not take Americans too serious when they are offended about "squaw" though...
I'm pretty sure the ones who support the redskins are not the same ones who find "squaw" offensive.
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As long as they still have a major sports team named redskins can I not take Americans too serious when they are offended about "squaw" though...
Probably just a lot of Karel May fans.
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Meanwhile, I wonder if this candy manufacturer has ever tried breaking the American market?



Context... context is everything!
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As long as they still have a major sports team named redskins can I not take Americans too serious when they are offended about "squaw" though...
I am sick and tired of this whole Redskin thing. The debate has been going on long enough, and interestingly, several Native American nations are against, but several others are in favor of keeping the name. I wish they just definitely decided on yes or no, deal with the consequences of either choice, and let it be.

I personally find the image/ trademark much more controversial than the name itself, but would be in favor of changing it. I kind of like Red Eagles, but of course, that would be impossible given the rivalry with the Philadelphia Eagles
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And few things sound quite as menacing as a slow, snarled "faye skata, malaka..."
...and coming from an 87yr old yiayia, it's terrifying! Especially with the hand gestures.

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Why should it be OK for black people to use it in Rap music and when greeting friends, but it's not for everyone else?
I don't accept it from black people, which has caused a few raised eyebrows when I've bitten someone's head off for saying it. There's a move away from it now though. My mate had a phase of going ballistic at her husband when he used the word with his friends and bothers, because their daughter is mixed race and she doesn't want her to grow up believing it's acceptable.
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Re: Offensive words

OK this kind of fits here.

In today's news: apparently, there is a "Committee against racist sweets/candy" in Switzerland.

There is really only one "racist sweet", though, the committee is taking severe offense that one particular store still calls it "Mohrenkopf" and are demanding they change the name (I cannot even translate that properly, but "Mohr" is sort of an old, outdated word for "black person" or whatever the heck the politically correct word du jour is).

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...epfe--12754140

I remember this being a discussion topic a few years back in Germany, where the same thing used to be called a "Negerkuss" ("neger" is, well, the bad N word). I think someone at the time suggested to call it "chocolate-covered foamy sugary treat with a migration background" (rough translation, it's more efficient in German). Love it.
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I remember this being a discussion topic a few years back in Germany, where the same thing used to be called a "Negerkuss" ("neger" is, well, the bad N word). I think someone at the time suggested to call it "chocolate-covered foamy sugary treat with a migration background" (rough translation, it's more efficient in German). Love it.
Or whatever the German equiv of "Tea cake" should do it.

Tunnocks - marketing geniuses...
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OK this kind of fits here.

In today's news: apparently, there is a "Committee against racist sweets/candy" in Switzerland.

There is really only one "racist sweet", though, the committee is taking severe offense that one particular store still calls it "Mohrenkopf" and are demanding they change the name (I cannot even translate that properly, but "Mohr" is sort of an old, outdated word for "black person" or whatever the heck the politically correct word du jour is).

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...epfe--12754140

I remember this being a discussion topic a few years back in Germany, where the same thing used to be called a "Negerkuss" ("neger" is, well, the bad N word). I think someone at the time suggested to call it "chocolate-covered foamy sugary treat with a migration background" (rough translation, it's more efficient in German). Love it.

Damn, I just wanted to post the same You can hear this discussion every year at the Stammtisch.


I really like the comment at the end of the article
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Dem NZZ-Autor geht die Diskussion über das Verbot des Wortes «Mohrenkopf» zu weit. So diene die Petition als weiteres Paradebeispiel für die Überempfindlichkeit der heutigen Gesellschaft. Bezüglich dem Wunsch nach einer Entkolonialisierung der Sprache schreibt die Zeitung: «Der sprachliche Ausdruck bedarf des Verstands des Einzelnen, nicht des Verbots von Wörtern.»
Es sei daher bedenklich, dass der Begriff «rassistisch» vom Komitee inflationär verwendet und so abgewertet werde. «Wenn gar Süssspeisen ‹rassistisch› sein können, dann ist jeder und jede, dann ist alles und nichts ‹rassistisch›». Das sei kein Fortschritt im Kampf gegen Rassismus, sondern ein Rückschritt."


Maybe someone more proficient in english wants to translate the keypoints
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More maths, physics and chemistry, good people. That's the answer of all our problems.


Ok, biology too.
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There is really only one "racist sweet", though, the committee is taking severe offense that one particular store still calls it "Mohrenkopf" and are demanding they change the name (I cannot even translate that properly, but "Mohr" is sort of an old, outdated word for "black person" or whatever the heck the politically correct word du jour is).
The English equivalent is "Moor" meaning 'a darker skinned person out of Africa'. But the word is more mild in tone within English, as we tend to use it solely to describe the North Africans who governed most of the Iberian peninsula until Ferdinand and Isabella kicked them out and re-established Catholic Spain.

My 2 rappen:

The problem with edicts of political correctness for the sake of political correctness is that it tends to be all about changing the appearance of impropriety, rather than about actually changing people's attitudes. I personally care more about the latter kind of social change.

In my experience most of the '-ism' attitudes are rooted in love and fear: a love of one's own circle (us) and an irrational fear of the unknown stranger (them) Shifting these attitudes is generally only accomplished once people sit down together and speak face-to-face as equals. Once that happens, the perception of the people in question shifts from one of groups, to a more nuanced one made up of individuals and the fear goes away. The attitude towards the members of those groups then adjust accordingly. However, if the interaction is bad, then the stereotype gets confirmed and the attitude becomes more deeply negative.

Politeness is just the grease by which social interaction turns these wheels. Sometimes swearing is okay, but often not; it is important to judge the context appropriately. But swearing just to be provocative is just impolite and often reflects the self-centered nature of the person who swore, an attitude which frankly bothers me more than the actual swearing.
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My 2 rappen:

The problem with edicts of political correctness for the sake of political correctness is that it tends to be all about changing the appearance of impropriety, rather than about actually changing people's attitudes. I personally care more about the latter kind of social change.

In my experience most of the '-ism' attitudes are rooted in love and fear: a love of one's own circle (us) and an irrational fear of the unknown stranger (them) Shifting these attitudes is generally only accomplished once people sit down together and speak face-to-face as equals. Once that happens, the perception of the people in question shifts from one of groups, to a more nuanced one made up of individuals and the fear goes away. The attitude towards the members of those groups then adjust accordingly.
I prefer those conversations to enable discussions about a common goal (and my dear cynics, let me assure you we have plenty) and not let our imagination and assumptions wander too loosely, then everything can become negative.
Apart from this small amendment, I think I can agree with you.
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I prefer those conversations to enable discussions about a common goal (and my dear cynics, let me assure you we have plenty) and not let our imagination and assumptions wander too loosely, then everything can become negative.
Apart from this small amendment, I think I can agree with you.
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Re: Offensive words

It's a bit of topic. But I did some "research" about cursing english people and I found those.





I think they are hilarious but I have a serious question. I am planning to do the Cambridge Proficiency in some years, do I really have to understand Harry the scottish man stuck on a roof without subtitles?

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More maths, physics and chemistry, good people. That's the answer of all our problems.


Ok, biology too.
Nyah, just more poetry. Or Karel May. They don't know what they are missing.
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OK this kind of fits here.

In today's news: apparently, there is a "Committee against racist sweets/candy" in Switzerland.

There is really only one "racist sweet", though, the committee is taking severe offense that one particular store still calls it "Mohrenkopf" and are demanding they change the name (I cannot even translate that properly, but "Mohr" is sort of an old, outdated word for "black person" or whatever the heck the politically correct word du jour is).

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...epfe--12754140

I remember this being a discussion topic a few years back in Germany, where the same thing used to be called a "Negerkuss" ("neger" is, well, the bad N word). I think someone at the time suggested to call it "chocolate-covered foamy sugary treat with a migration background" (rough translation, it's more efficient in German). Love it.
If candy cannot have a weird name, can coffee keep its symbol? They did try to change it if I remeber well. I can't remeber if it worked.



I can't see some people liking it right next to "vegan, gluten/sugar/fat free, fair trade" series of marketing labels.

How did it end with Starbux color scheme bs at the end? Tri-or bi-color, while we are at coffees..

Btw, Tox Rat - I think you nailed it with the pc cosmetic changes vs real attitude adjustment. I do not think that an efficient attitude change can be rally prescribed; sitting down or exchanging, as I put earlier, is probably the only way. Prescription provokes even more hostility, imho.
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Rebro kokocie. Bimbam? What's bimbam?
The sound you get when cheap churchbells go "Bim! Bam! Bim! Bam!" So it´s holy churchbells
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