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Old 12.09.2017, 21:43
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Following the recent Pewdiepie controversy

https://www.inquisitr.com/4489065/pe...wn-his-videos/

What language do you find offensive and why?

I am pro-swearing and profanity. I wholeheartedly disagree with those who say it makes one seem unintelligent and uneducated. On the contrary, I think in the right context and appropriate register profanity can enrich language, adding colour and beauty to it. The F word is one of my favourite words. I have no problem with the C word though i dont often choose it.

My reaction to this though was OMG! WTF! I do find N word shocking and can't bring myself to say it even when quoting someone or even alone where nobody could hear me. Some of my friends have argued that by doing so (or not doing so) gives the word it's power, and one of them asked me if i sing along to songs with it in, to which i replied yes i do (in private). Which kind of makes no sense. If I'm ok with singing it why cant i quote it.

I know quite little about the origins tbh, other than its roots in slavery and racism, which seemed like a good enough reason for me to not question it. Im not sure yet what to think about the argument over giving a couple of phonemes such power. Which i guess is why im asking what everyone thinks. Is it just a word? Is it ever acceptable?

During conversation about this, I was interested to discover the shock value that the C word has in the US, and that the reason has something to do with misogyny. I did not know that. I thought it could be equally applied to men or women, as in a-hole or d-head I'd have previously written off those who are deeply offended by the c word as silly, but because i didnt realise why! But I wouldn't have called my own offence at the n word "silly"!

Regarding pewdiepie, i watched his apology today and i am unsure what to make of it. I cant fathom why anyone would have it in their vocab to "slip out" unless they are racist, but he doesnt appear to me to be a racist though perhaps an (as he lucidly said so himself) an idiot... (is idiot offensive to the intellectually challenged?!)

So what does everyone else think
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Following the recent Pewdiepie controversy

https://www.inquisitr.com/4489065/pe...wn-his-videos/

What language do you find offensive and why?

I am pro-swearing and profanity. I wholeheartedly disagree with those who say it makes one seem unintelligent and uneducated. On the contrary, I think in the right context and appropriate register profanity can enrich language, adding colour and beauty to it. The F word is one of my favourite words. I have no problem with the C word though i dont often choose it.

My reaction to this though was OMG! WTF! I do find N word shocking and can't bring myself to say it even when quoting someone or even alone where nobody could hear me. Some of my friends have argued that by doing so (or not doing so) gives the word it's power, and one of them asked me if i sing along to songs with it in, to which i replied yes i do (in private). Which kind of makes no sense. If I'm ok with singing it why cant i quote it.

I know quite little about the origins tbh, other than its roots in slavery and racism, which seemed like a good enough reason for me to not question it. Im not sure yet what to think about the argument over giving a couple of phonemes such power. Which i guess is why im asking what everyone thinks. Is it just a word? Is it ever acceptable?

During conversation about this, I was interested to discover the shock value that the C word has in the US, and that the reason has something to do with misogyny. I did not know that. I thought it could be equally applied to men or women, as in a-hole or d-head I'd have previously written off those who are deeply offended by the c word as silly, but because i didnt realise why! But I wouldn't have called my own offence at the n word "silly"!

Regarding pewdiepie, i watched his apology today and i am unsure what to make of it. I cant fathom why anyone would have it in their vocab to "slip out" unless they are racist, but he doesnt appear to me to be a racist though perhaps an (as he lucidly said so himself) an idiot... (is idiot offensive to the intellectually challenged?!)

So what does everyone else think
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the OP probably means pi. Other than going around in circles, idon't think it is very offensive.
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I am pro-swearing and profanity.
I think that you are a cxnt.

However, how you view that depends on your gender identification, so that's positive for some, and negative for others, and neutral for other others.

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Re: Offensive words

I teach texts with all sorts of arguably offensive words in them, including the n word. Context is everything.

I've had colleagues - and students - who wouldn't say them though, even in a lesson discussion. Personally I never use the C word, but that's about the only one.

I think swear words have their time and place but I don't think they're particularly enriching or beautiful!
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Old 12.09.2017, 22:44
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Context is everything.
"Pass the effing salt" is more acceptable than "Effing pass me the salt" apparently.

Last edited by Sandgrounder; 12.09.2017 at 22:46. Reason: Christ on a bike, what's up with the profanity filter on a profanity thread??
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Old 12.09.2017, 23:04
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Don't know about anyone else, but apparently it's the in thing:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7612651.html
Tired old racial slurs lack the scintillating wit of other more creative outbursts such as cockwomble, sh1tgibbon and knobstick, or just a well spat out "titpimple!". Much better as a one-size-fits-all satisfying way of getting your point across...
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Re: Offensive words

All I can say is why is it not acceptable for a white person to say "N" when it's okay for a black person to say "white trash"? Both are racial slurs and both should carry the same condemnation.

Swearing does have it's place I guess, but some TV programmes seem to use it in place of being able to write a decent script. What was that Roman based series they did a few years ago? I tried watching the first episode, but after 6-7 uses of the "F" word in the first 5 minutes of the programme I gave up.
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Old 12.09.2017, 23:23
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All I can say is why is it not acceptable for a white person to say "N" when it's okay for a black person to say "N"?
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All I can say is why is it not acceptable for a white person to say "N" when it's okay for a black person to say "white trash"? Both are racial slurs and both should carry the same condemnation.
Many seem to believe it's only a minority that can be discriminated...

And since many generations ago some fellows who lived in the same country as my family earned some bugs by jumping into an existing slave market where cultures were used to selling their neighbours if they needed money i should now be humble.. (f them.)
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All I can say is why is it not acceptable for a white person to say "N" when it's okay for a black person to say "white trash"? Both are racial slurs and both should carry the same condemnation.

Swearing does have it's place I guess, but some TV programmes seem to use it in place of being able to write a decent script. What was that Roman based series they did a few years ago? I tried watching the first episode, but after 6-7 uses of the "F" word in the first 5 minutes of the programme I gave up.
Actually, I don't think the insult "white trash" has much to do with race other than you would only use it against a white person. Instead, it is/was always more of a socioeconomic slur. It is the kind of name that middle class white people would use to look down their noses at the "uncultured, uneducated" white working classes or the poor, especially the rural poor. In my experience it is/was always used as a form of snobbery by which those who used it were usually only moderately well off, but still got to feel superior to others, even if their position on the social pecking order is/was not actually THAT high. Its use often says more about the character of the speaker than the person being insulted, but that's probably true for most insults when you think about it.
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Whats "N"
I think Dave Chappelle may say it once or twice in this skit:

"I bet you will get the finest table any N ever got in this restaurant."
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All I can say is why is it not acceptable for a white person to say "N" when it's okay for a black person to say "N"?
Ftfy
Looks like he played a black PC. Does that mean it is o.k. as it is "in character"?
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All I can say is why is it not acceptable for a white person to say "N" when it's okay for a black person to say "white trash"? Both are racial slurs and both should carry the same condemnation.
You can also use Eurotrash if you feel more comfortable or without inhibitions, everything goes these days, I heard. As long as it's not the N word you know, you can even take your pants off and make a poo poo in front of someone else, it only shows how humorous and direct you are.
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I am pro-swearing and profanity. I wholeheartedly disagree with those who say it makes one seem unintelligent and uneducated. On the contrary, I think in the right context and appropriate register profanity can enrich language, adding colour and beauty to it.
I've highlighted the important bit. Unfortunately, the use of profanity is so often not in the right context nor appropriate register. For example, where it is used simply as a filler - an alternative to "um" or "er". The wrong use definitely makes the speaker appear a bit thick.

I find the use of profanity in many films to be rather gauche/vulgar and indicitive of poor script writing deserving of a Rory*. It simply doesn't add anything. Whereas it's use in, for example, the British film "Frequently Asked Questions About Time Travel" comes across as natural, and is used primarily for emphasis - not just space filling.

I like the Irish word "feck", as popularised by Father Ted. It's not really that rude at all, but it does sound it.


* The Most Gratuitous Use Of The Word 'F***' In A Serious Screenplay.
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Re: Offensive words

The day when you find yourself offended by words is the day you should stop using them. Someone, somewhere, will always find offense.

No word is offensive.
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I've highlighted the important bit.

I like the Irish word "feck", as popularised by Father Ted. It's not really that rude at all, but it does sound it.


* The Most Gratuitous Use Of The Word 'F***' In A Serious Screenplay.
I also like smeg (Red Dwarf) and frack (Battlestar Galactica)
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Re: Offensive words

The interesting thing about living in a multi language environment is the use of "offensive" words when not speaking your mother tongue.


I hear the F word so frequently in Switzerland from Swiss people but if I say "dummi "s*u" or "Köpfer dammi..." I have been looked at like I have been dragged through a bush backwards with regards to my upbringing. I picked it up when my Swiss friends thought it was funny to teach me the local profanity just like the guys on holiday in Spain liked to teach me Spanish naughty words.


I live in France now and the same applies there. It is no problem for a French person to say the F word or sh1t, but if I say M3rde" or any other select words, I look like a scumbag.


I also hear the C word in both countries a lot and have even got so used to it now, that it has become something I am no longer offended by, whereas when I arrived 13 years ago, I found it the worst thing a person could say.
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