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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

Sure, let them vote again and don't forget to ban the the result as "illegal" in case it still doesn't fit in Madrid's centralists' plans. Just repeat all elections till they finally got the result Rajoy and Bourbon Felipe wish.


Is this what Spain understands by the term Democracy?
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Sure, let them vote again and don't forget to ban the the result as "illegal" in case it still doesn't fit in Madrid's centralists' plans. Just repeat all elections till they finally got the result Rajoy and Bourbon Felipe wish.


Is this what Spain understands by the term Democracy?
Will you ever post something which is not plain BS?
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Sure, let them vote again and don't forget to ban the the result as "illegal" in case it still doesn't fit in Madrid's centralists' plans. Just repeat all elections till they finally got the result Rajoy and Bourbon Felipe wish.


Is this what Spain understands by the term Democracy?
when did they ban a legal result of a vote in democracy? In what paralell reality have you grown up in Catalonia?

Is for you a better democracy that the parlament decides to declare the independence with 48% when the CATALAN referendum rules say that it should be at least 60% to declared the independence. In Germany he had to resign immediately! You cannot ignore the constitution and the democracy rules of the parlament just for your interest!

The only two big catalan banks have left catalonia. They won't pay more taxes there... Is that a better Catalonia?

The Europiean Agency of Medicines and Medical Devices leaves the UK because of the BREXIT to go probably to Barcelona. I hope they don't change of mind or Spain will lose a great oportunity of making a lot of money.


Now I understand your paralell reality:

You have probably grown up in schools with very important policital homework:






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This is the trick in a Democracy: All citizens can vote, the bright and the stupid. Quite simple, really. Even the stupid like me get it. So why don't Rajoy and Felipe?
Except you don't accept differing opinions on certain topics, at least going by that quote.
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Old 26.10.2017, 11:59
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Is for you a better democracy that the parlament decides to declare the independence with 48% when the CATALAN referendum rules say that it should be at least 60% to declared the independence. In Germany he had to resign immediately! You cannot ignore the constitution and the democracy rules of the parlament just for your interest!
Who had to resign in Germany. Please be more specific.

I'm aware that there are some guys in Bavaria who want independence, but that party is so small it's presently not even represented in the Bavarian legislature. Never heard that anybody had to resign over that.

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The only two big catalan banks have left catalonia. They won't pay more taxes there... Is that a better Catalonia?
Have they really left?

How long does it take for a bank to pack up and relocate?

And even if they do leave eventually, why won't they still pay taxes in Catalonia?

It's not as if they are going to stop serving the Catalan market.

From what I've heard a lot of Catalans are already voting with their feet and closing their accounts in these banks. I guess they're moving theiur money to banks who want to stay in Catalonia. Do you think these other banks won't pay any taxes?
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Who had to resign in Germany. Please be more specific.

I'm aware that there are some guys in Bavaria who want independence, but that party is so small it's presently not even represented in the Bavarian legislature. Never heard that anybody had to resign over that.



Have they really left?

How long does it take for a bank to pack up and relocate?

And even if they do leave eventually, why won't they still pay taxes in Catalonia?

It's not as if they are going to stop serving the Catalan market.

From what I've heard a lot of Catalans are already voting with their feet and closing their accounts in these banks. I guess they're moving theiur money to banks who want to stay in Catalonia. Do you think these other banks won't pay any taxes?
It's clear in my text. The president of the parlament had to resign if he doesn't follow the "rules". You cannot say that you need at least 60% YES in the parlament and then say "Mmmm, we have 48% and that's a majority. Let's go!". What kind of democracy is that in which they change the rules on the way for their own interests without asking the population?

I don't know how it works in Madrid, but in the catalan parlament they improvise and everybody applause. WTF?

Then it's funny to listen to the separatist speeches about democracy.

In Germany that WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED! Viele Köpfe würden rollen.

Every region has independence groups. It's clear...... and the one in Babaria is insignificant.

Take a look at the comparative. It's very interesting.

https://interaktiv.tagesanzeiger.ch/...enincontroller
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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

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Old 26.10.2017, 14:23
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It's clear in my text. The president of the parlament had to resign if he doesn't follow the "rules". You cannot say that you need at least 60% YES in the parlament and then say "Mmmm, we have 48% and that's a majority. Let's go!". What kind of democracy is that in which they change the rules on the way for their own interests without asking the population?

I don't know how it works in Madrid, but in the catalan parlament they improvise and everybody applause. WTF?

Then it's funny to listen to the separatist speeches about democracy.

In Germany that WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED! Viele Köpfe würden rollen.
Clearly you've been misinformed :

http://www.n-tv.de/politik/politik_p...e16746101.html

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Translation - Angela Merkels radical opening of the borders is a historical break with law. The eagerly awaited report by constitutional law expert Udo di Fabio shakes political Berlin
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Missinformed (or bad informed) is not the same as not informed!

But this is a very unfair comparison... it doesn't have the same *effects* in the economy and society of Germany. Europe has a huge problem with populismus now!

Anyway it's a bad thing that we start imitating banana republics... Let's continue in this way to divide the population and creat chaos. Is that good?
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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

I don't understand that opinion. Are you justifying the catalan gobernment for what they are doing? Do you really think that it's the same as in Germany? hahahha.
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Old 26.10.2017, 15:04
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Missinformed (or bad informed) is not the same as not informed!

But this is a very unfair comparison... it doesn't have the same *effects* in the economy and society of Germany. Europe has a huge problem with populismus now!
It's not a comparison - it's a demonstration that you are wrong - the Chancellor of Germany has gotten away with an enormous breach of her powers.
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Old 26.10.2017, 15:34
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It's not a comparison - it's a demonstration that you are wrong - the Chancellor of Germany has gotten away with an enormous breach of her powers.
And furthermore, the checks and balances failed totally as neither president nor Bundesrat did anything to stop her, and not even the press called foul. It was a perfect storm for her.

At least in Spain there are people and institutions fighting both sides of the argument.
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And furthermore, the checks and balances failed totally as neither president nor Bundesrat did anything to stop her, and not even the press called foul. It was a perfect storm for her.

At least in Spain there are people and institutions fighting both sides of the argument.
hahahaha, sure.

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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

Putschdämon has the opportuny now to have a legal election to know how many catalans want the independence... and then declare it legitimaly with legal results... but he is not interested. He knows that the results wouldn't reach that 90% as in the illegal one.

With 40% he couldn't do what he wants...

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...a-1174904.html
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I remember having a discussion with a friend who is a political commentator
and mentioning that I supported Merkel in her first terms almost completely, and the German economy was firing on all cylinders... but at some point she "absolutely lost her mind with regards to immigration" and her taking the de facto lead in telling the rest of the EU what they were going to do wrt #s of immigrants that they would take.

My opinion remains that she was more responsible for Brexit than any of the UKs political leaders.



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At least in Spain there are people and institutions fighting both sides of the argument.
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Have they really left?

How long does it take for a bank to pack up and relocate?

And even if they do leave eventually, why won't they still pay taxes in Catalonia?

It's not as if they are going to stop serving the Catalan market.

From what I've heard a lot of Catalans are already voting with their feet and closing their accounts in these banks. I guess they're moving theiur money to banks who want to stay in Catalonia. Do you think these other banks won't pay any taxes?
I already commented on this. They have already moved their registered office, which apparently involves at least moving some executive direction too. The only banks whose registered office remains in Catalonia are Caixa Guissona, a rural entity with 4 branches and deposits for 610 M€, and Caixa de Credit dels Enginyers, a credit cooperative with 13 branches in Catalonia and 11 in the rest of Spain, and assets for 2710 M€. So I am curious with respect to where their are moving their money. By the way, Caixa (spanish Caja de Ahorros) is Sparkasse.

No bank, be it catalan or spanish, is closing branches, and none will. But with their registered office in Alicante or Valencia -this is already effective-, in case of a unilateral declaration of independence, they (Sabadell, Caixabank) are not catalan corporations anymore. I assume the new catalan government would tell all banks (and something similar for big companies) that they have to register in Catalonia and be under the supervision of the new Catalan National Bank to operate there.
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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

By the way, when Sabadell and Caixabank moved out (5-6 October), Caja de Ingenieros, of which I am a customer since 2005, stated that they had no plans to move. But since the 10th they have a press release that reads:

"Caja de Ingenieros, referente en el sector por su elevada solvencia y liquidez, tomará todas aquellas medidas necesarias encaminadas a preservar los intereses de todos los socios del Grupo. En este sentido, y como no podría ser de otra forma, la Entidad tiene establecidos planes de contingencia encaminados a restaurar cualquier tipo de situaciones adversas a las que tuviera que hacer frente.

Estos planes de contingencia, que no descartan ninguna opción, establecen los requerimientos, no solo financieros sino también administrativos, para preservar a Caja de Ingenieros y por tanto a todos sus socios dentro del marco regulatorio y supervisor de la máxima autoridad europea.

Por tanto, cualquiera que sea el escenario institucional de futuro, Caja de Ingenieros tomará las medidas necesarias para mantener en todo momento la Entidad dentro de la Eurozona, formando parte de las entidades supervisadas por el Banco Central Europeo, y profundizando sus fuertes lazos con las cooperativas bancarias españolas y europeas."
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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

and it begins...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41780116

I hope I am terribly wrong here but I think this will not going to end peacefully.
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Oooof!

Now all those leftists inspired by the romance of Orwell to fight in a Spanish Civil War may now get their opportunity.
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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

With the Scottish referendum, I wondered whether the pro-independence politicians were primarily interested in becoming big fish in a small pond. Perhaps the Catalan politicians are similar. It all seems so childish, on both sides, and to what purpose?
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