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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

Separatists don't like democracy now.

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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

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Any great people shouldn't be afraid of others affirming their identity, be it ethnical or linguistic, cultural.
I don't agree with territorial separatism, but the way I see some Spaniards react to the whole independence movement make me a proud supporter of the Catalans. Sometimes it takes just that - how the others react to some demands.
I hope you are not TABARNIAN, then you should accept democracy and stay in Spain (after declaring the independence from Catalonia).
38% is not enough to impose anything!
You should respect the right to decide of Tabarnians.

Separatist politicians accept democracy only when it is for their own benefit.


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Jonesy, was that mockery meant to hurt Catalans' feelings..? An attempt to...humour, maybe? I'm looking forward to the next one.
I said separatists, not catalans..... 53% of Catalans voted to constitutional parties (21.December), and there is a huge majority against the spaltung of Tabarnia from Catalonia.

A mockery? Would you like it is just that, wouldn't you? hahaha. Let's see how it continues. By the moment... https://www.change.org/p/grupo-parla...edium=whatsapp

Don't be angry. That's just the right to decide. Catalonia will be free at the end and Tabarnia too.
Think that this is just like the case of Scottland in the UK. This is just democracy.

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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

According to the last informations, Puigdemont does not intend to return to Spain, but Junts per Catalunya think he can be made president by videoconference.

I thought I had already seen everything...
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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

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Anyone else think this may turn ugly?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41284764
It didn't turn ugly after all. Law, order and democracy prevailed.
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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

Someone can't go home in the near future.
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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

I don't know if forcing a country's citizens into political asylum should count as an achievement of that country.


There are actually not so many European countries in that group of states one has to flee from for having an opinion the central government doesn't approve.
And it might be personal, but I'd feel offended by sitting in the same boat with Russia, Belorussia, Turkey and that kind ... anyhow nothing I would be proud of, after all.
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I don't know if forcing a country's citizens into political asylum should count as an achievement of that country.


There are actually not so many European countries in that group of states one has to flee from for having an opinion the central government doesn't approve.
And it might be personal, but I'd feel offended by sitting in the same boat with Russia, Belorussia, Turkey and that kind ... anyhow nothing I would be proud of, after all.
Don't lie, please.

Are 35% of Barcelonians the majority?
Are 47.5% of Catalans the majority?
Who is forcing whom?

Separatists have a majority only in the parliament because Spain, as an advanced democratic country, gives more weight to regional parties and a vote from a Barcelonian has less weight than a vote from someone from the countryside.

This conflict is blocked by separatists and will end up in the independence of Tabarnia, the rich side of catalania where only 35% support this nonsense.
Viel Spass!
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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

This thread has been very quiet for some time now. Any news on this?
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Old 28.09.2019, 21:30
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Catalan independence rally draws smallest crowd in seven years

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Despite the politically charged atmosphere, police in the Catalan capital said that around 600,000 people had taken part in the annual event – dramatically down on the 1 million who turned out for the previous two Diadas.
I guess it was not so important after all...
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I guess it was not so important after all...
When some 10% of the grownups protest in the regional capital, I would say it still is. Very much so.

Just for comparison:
Roughly one percent showed up at yesterday's climate protest in Bern.
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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

There have been some huge changes since the height of the independence movement.

At that time the Scottish independence vote was showing that an orderly independence is possible. This gave the Catalans a lot of hope, or at least a role model. I don't think that hope was dampened by the Scottish vote turning against independence, as it was the concept that mattered.

Since then, Brexit troubles have shown, it's not as simple as that, and I guess this has caused many people to be more cautious, to drop the idea, or at least lie low while awaiting better times.

On the other hand, Spain too has changed politically. All the new parties such as Podemos and Ciudanos that inspired people to think change was at hand and that soon we'd all be dancing with unicorns have proved unable to deliver what they promised. This has caused a lot of disillusionment. Generally, the readiness to play dirty in politics has increased. The Vox party have also led to some changes and arguably a re-empowering of old-time centralist tendencies in Spain, which other parties are copying in order not to lose voters. The political system in Spain is no longer the cuddly giant it once was.

So all in all, the fact that there is still such a strong showing at such a rally despite all the negative signs, shows that the resolve is genuinely strong.
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Old 29.09.2019, 14:36
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When some 10% of the grownups protest in the regional capital, I would say it still is. Very much so.

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Roughly one percent showed up at yesterday's climate protest in Bern.
It’s hard to conclude anything but the it is declined when there is a significant drop rather than increase in numbers.
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It’s hard to conclude anything but the it is declined when there is a significant drop rather than increase in numbers.
Comparing any post-peak phase to peak activity will invariably show a decrease, it's in the very definition of a peak. Why not compare to the lowest interest instead?

Without providing context both are idiotic comparisons. The only use of that is, it frames the whole thing.
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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

A decade in prison for holding a referendum that voters asked these politicians to organise, via a prior democratic election that was used to assess their citizen's willingness for such a move. Shame on Spain.
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A decade in prison for holding a referendum that voters asked these politicians to organise, via a prior democratic election that was used to assess their citizen's willingness for such a move. Shame on Spain.
And it doesn't stop....

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56075451
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Old 16.02.2021, 15:54
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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

Strange, but I do believe that every European country has laws prohibiting defamation, slander and incitement of violence. The penalty seems harsh, but if he did the same anywhere else, he could just as easily be convicted.
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Re: Catalan independence referendum vote

Spain remains a fascist state
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Spain remains a fascist state
That is the problem with democracy you don’t get to pick and choose which parts to abide by. None of the various forms of democracy we have in Europe today are perfect, but they are all we got.

As far as I’m concerned anyone who feels the need to resort to terrorism and bully boy tactics to make their will prevail is just a terrorist.
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