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There's nothing funny about this. I remember one of the victims claiming she'd been raped over 20yrs ago, but she's only named her attacker over the last few days.
The fallout from something like this is funny, as it becomes oh so clear just how shallow and ruthless so many of these celebrities are. I've zero sympathies for the actresses coming forward now - if you were willing to make a pact with the Devil in order to become famous, make millions and win Oscars, you can't then complain 20 years later about the Devil. And Weinstein won't be the only one that's been up to this. Save your sympathies for the women that turned him down.
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

I don't find it funny. I find it depressing how sexual predation only seems to matter in certain, ill-defined, circumstances.

After Jimmy Savile, why do people still speak of John Peel with admiration? What makes one pervert more acceptable in polite company than another?

It's amazing what people are willing to turn a blind eye to.
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The fallout from something like this is funny, as it becomes oh so clear just how shallow and ruthless so many of these celebrities are. I've zero sympathies for the actresses coming forward now - if you were willing to make a pact with the Devil in order to become famous, make millions and win Oscars, you can't then complain 20 years later about the Devil. And Weinstein won't be the only one that's been up to this. Save your sympathies for the women that turned him down.
Maybe they felt they can't fight the "system" back then...
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

A couple more gems. There seems to be a remarkable correlation between those that were lecturing us on Trump and those which had the hots for Weinstein

https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/569677514559221760

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After Jimmy Savile, why do people still speak of John Peel with admiration? What makes one pervert more acceptable in polite company than another?
But Glastonbury! Teenage kicks!
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If anybody in Hollywood really cared about the sexual exploitation of women by powerful men, then Bill Clinton would be person non grata, along with Roman Polanski and, no doubt, several other "celebrated" persons.

There seems to be an awful lot of cherrypicking involved when it comes to luvvies' outrage.

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What’s wrong with a little selective outrage? At least someone is trying to do something.

Who’s “anybody” above? Perps aren’t held to any sort of standard, especially if they’re making/have money and victims risk losing jobs, prospects of future work. For the rest, they don’t rock the boat.

But now, there are attempts to take action....maybe they will effect change, just a bit. Maybe not. At least some people are trying.
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But Glastonbury! Teenage kicks!
I can't listen to that song any more, knowing how much that perverted bastard liked it.
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What’s wrong with a little selective outrage? At least someone is trying to do something.

Who’s “anybody” above? Perps aren’t held to any sort of standard, especially if they’re making/have money and victims risk losing jobs, prospects of future work. For the rest, they don’t rock the boat.

But now, there are attempts to take action....maybe they will effect change, just a bit. Maybe not. At least some people are trying.
But Bill Clinton and Roman Polanski are still treated like human beings. Seems to me that those "some people" aren't trying hard enough. A pig is a pig and deserves to be treated as such even if he did make some films or is married to a presidential candidate.
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The fallout from something like this is funny, as it becomes oh so clear just how shallow and ruthless so many of these celebrities are. I've zero sympathies for the actresses coming forward now - if you were willing to make a pact with the Devil in order to become famous, make millions and win Oscars, you can't then complain 20 years later about the Devil. And Weinstein won't be the only one that's been up to this. Save your sympathies for the women that turned him down.
Why are the women/victims always the ones who are to blame? Why is there not an effort to curtail this behavior in powerful perpetrators?

Oh f*** it. Putting this on ignore. Carry on.
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Why are the women/victims always the ones who are to blame? Why is there not an effort to curtail this behavior in powerful perpetrators?
I never said they're to blame, what I said is that I don't have any sympathy for them.

Wherever there's power, there'll be those that abuse it.
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Old 16.10.2017, 20:52
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And that makes it acceptable, humorous, worth a laugh. Alrighty.
No, it makes it REALITY!

Fake news, in other words.

That anyone thinks that this well known, and long standing, situation is news worthy is beyond me.

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But Bill Clinton and Roman Polanski are still treated like human beings. Seems to me that those "some people" aren't trying hard enough. A pig is a pig and deserves to be treated as such even if he did make some films or is married to a presidential candidate.
Please do not slander pigs. Call Weinstein what he is a pervert. Nothing to do with pigs.

And yes they do get treated like human beings - because, funnily enough, this sort of behaviour seems to be a purely human trait. What does that say about us as a species, eh?

I'm with Loz1983 on the sympathy part. These women put up with it mostly to further their careers and now are screaming about it 20, 30, 40 years later. It's been an open secret in the industry probably since film was first invented yet they still put up with it. The few times anyone tried to grope me I shouted about it and probably would have slapped their face as well - and yes it was back in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Frankly they should be bollocked for not speaking up loudly when it first happened, but no everyone sees them as victims who didn't have any say in what happened to them. Some of the reported incidents yes, that is the case, but being asked to give him a massage and doing it then complaining about it years later? Sorry, you should have said no and walked out of the room.
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Enough to know that if a female don't want it she'll fight not to be mounted by a male. But then they don't have careers to worry about.
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Please do not slander pigs. Call Weinstein what he is a pervert. Nothing to do with pigs.

And yes they do get treated like human beings - because, funnily enough, this sort of behaviour seems to be a purely human trait. What does that say about us as a species, eh?

I'm with Loz1983 on the sympathy part. These women put up with it mostly to further their careers and now are screaming about it 20, 30, 40 years later. It's been an open secret in the industry probably since film was first invented yet they still put up with it. The few times anyone tried to grope me I shouted about it and probably would have slapped their face as well - and yes it was back in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Frankly they should be bollocked for not speaking up loudly when it first happened, but no everyone sees them as victims who didn't have any say in what happened to them. Some of the reported incidents yes, that is the case, but being asked to give him a massage and doing it then complaining about it years later? Sorry, you should have said no and walked out of the room.
I guess we'll never know the number of women who were passed over for roles or had their careers binned because they wouldn't pander to Weinstein's weirdness.

It's also a bit shocking how much gloating there seems to be on here. Yes, some women were propositioned with requests for massages 40 years ago which is obviously demeaning but probably not life-changingly traumatic. However, in that mix there were also women who were raped. Nobody deserves that under any circumstances, and it must take a heart of stone to not draw an ounce of sympathy for them. Often they were very young, naive and star struck, but mostly super-ambitious knowing they were in a hugely competitive industry. If people think this means they were "asking for it" then they need to take a long look in the mirror.
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

Read a good article about my pop music hero David Bowie's thirst for underage groupies - not sure what to do with it honestly.

Even the Strokes Julian Casablancas sang in New York City Cops about "high school girls"...
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It just keeps on giving:

https://twitter.com/MonicaLewinsky/s...32300862181377
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Kate Winslet was so brave that she didn't thank Harvey Weinstein in her Oscar acceptance speech (apparently, Weinstein has been thanked more often than God).

“That was deliberate. That was absolutely deliberate,” Winslet told The Los Angeles Times in an interview on Saturday

Here's Kate Winslet being directed by Roman Polanski.
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I can't listen to that song any more, knowing how much that perverted bastard liked it.
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Some women don't fight back, they freeze.. and as its all about power, predators like Weinstein know their meat; he has had years to build expert knowledge to disable a young person's defence ability, so any talk that a female should have fought back regardless is complete and utter bollox. He trapped many a female in rooms, isolated them when they were told other people/agents/actors would be there.

This isn't about sex, there were no doubt many women happy to sleep with him.. he was after the ones who would try to say no, he desired the power to frightened, humiliate, shame and dominate women. Young actresses were fresh meat for him. Hope he rots.

Here's Courtney Love a few years ago, and we all know what Hollywood and the media think of her.. Ha! Wonder why:



What I don't get is where's the outcry about known child predators in Hollywood? Why isn't there a big conversation going on about this problem (Nickledoen's Dan Schneider, one of many, I am guessing).. and why is Corey Fieldmann the only one talking about it?
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