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And why would a report from 2015 be gone, when one from 2018 was wrong? (And the "still up" one you did (could) not link?)

You're doing it again. Yeah, yeah, I got it, it's a forum, it's meant to be missleading and not informative, I sound like marton (not the worst way to sound, LOL).

But if you keep doing it - I can keep pointing it out
What? How am I being misleading? The report I was referring to is the one below. I didn't see the need to link it again. And yes, it's still up btw.

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What? How am I being misleading? The report I was referring to is the one below. I didn't see the need to link it again. And yes, it's still up btw.
It's high time for some people to accept that this kind of jokes (if indeed, jokes and drunk foolishness was all that it actually happened) are not acceptable anymore. It will take some time.
Words like "nigger" were also difficult to eliminate from one's vocabulary, so is the thinly veiled sexual misconduct. Even if traditionally a proper answer was considered to be "good sport", to smile and pretend nothing happened in accordance with the old "boys will be boys" and all that.
Times change.
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Good. It's about time Oxfam is exposed for what it is - social engineering with political motivations pretending to be a charity.


Knowing the contempt the right has for the poor and destitute, your attitude doesn't surprise me.
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Knowing the contempt the right has for the poor and destitute, your attitude doesn't surprise me.
"Contempt for the poor and destitute" this is why it's hard to take people like you seriously. I have contempt at tax money going to "charities" like Oxfam. Other than shagging kids, they release a report every year blaming capitalism for poverty, oblivious to the fact that capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than anything else ever.

And Brendan Cox used to work for them.
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"Contempt for the poor and destitute" this is why it's hard to take people like you seriously. I have contempt at tax money going to "charities" like Oxfam. Other than shagging kids, they release a report every year blaming capitalism for poverty, oblivious to the fact that capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than anything else ever.

And Brendan Cox used to work for them.
I won't comment on everything you wrote but I concur with the idea that all these respectable charities are very opaque and do more than just helping when and where the help is needed. I actually worked for one charity (volunteer) that later on went under Save the Children's umbrella and wasn't happy to contribute anymore. I know what to choose when my help is needed. I can't comment on the sexual scandals that surfaced at various times though, but I'm not that surprised.
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"Contempt for the poor and destitute" this is why it's hard to take people like you seriously. I have contempt at tax money going to "charities" like Oxfam. Other than shagging kids, they release a report every year blaming capitalism for poverty, oblivious to the fact that capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than anything else ever.

And Brendan Cox used to work for them.
Cutting the Foreign Aid budget is a favourite Tory hobby horse,'charity begins at home' and all that...
And now there is a whiff of scandal at Oxfam and you're cynically all over it, completing ignoring the decades of excellent work done by the charity and its dedicated people, many of whom are volunteers. I fully support rooting out the bad apples and putting into place measures and policies to make sure it never happens again, but not trashing something that is inherently good and respected the world over. Even the Haitian Ambassador to the UK said that Oxfam was still welcome in his country.
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Cutting the Foreign Aid budget is a favourite Tory hobby horse,'charity begins at home' and all that...
And now there is a whiff of scandal at Oxfam and you're cynically all over it, completing ignoring the decades of excellent work done by the charity and its dedicated people, many of whom are volunteers. I fully support rooting out the bad apples and putting into place measures and policies to make sure it never happens again, but not trashing something that is inherently good and respected the world over. Even the Haitian Ambassador to the UK said that Oxfam was still welcome in his country.
Oh, those Evil Tories again . Chat shit get banged. Or rather shag kids, get no tax payers' money. Let Oxfam carry on their "excellent work", but let them rely on donations and see how far they get.
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I won't comment on everything you wrote but I concur with the idea that all these respectable charities are very opaque and do more than just helping when and where the help is needed. I actually worked for one charity (volunteer) that later on went under Save the Children's umbrella and wasn't happy to contribute anymore. I know what to choose when my help is needed. I can't comment on the sexual scandals that surfaced at various times though, but I'm not that surprised.
Way back when, I used to do a lot of collecting and volunteering with the Samaritans (hard to believe eh?). The branch I worked at was ran by a guy who was consistently abusing his position to get into bed with women. Be it letching on to other volunteers or worse, the vulnerable people who got in contact with the charity. He was eventually kicked out but simply went on and started working at another charity for people recovering from head injuries. From what I heard he just carried on doing the same thing there. It's so much easy to get away with these things under the guise of a "good cause".
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Way back when, I used to do a lot of collecting and volunteering with the Samaritans (hard to believe eh?). The branch I worked at was ran by a guy who was consistently abusing his position to get into bed with women. Be it letching on to other volunteers or worse, the vulnerable people who got in contact with the charity. He was eventually kicked out but simply went on and started working at another charity for people recovering from head injuries. From what I heard he just carried on doing the same thing there. It's so much easy to get away with these things under the guise of a "good cause".
You're absolutely right. But we can now either bang on about it endlessly or - how exhausting - brainstorm about solutions.
What's your's then? Just give up on "good cause" operations?
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Or rather shag kids, get no tax payers' money. Let Oxfam carry on their "excellent work", but let them rely on donations and see how far they get.
You make it sound like everyone who works there is a sexual predator, including Doris and Mabel at the Putney High St branch. From what I can gather, a lot of these guys treat charities like a carousel to live abroad and live it large, probably the same sorts of middle aged men that organise trips to Thailand to abuse local women and boys. Root those arseholes out and sack anyone who is guilty of cover up so that the rest of the organisation can get on with helping people.
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Way back when, I used to do a lot of collecting and volunteering with the Samaritans (hard to believe eh?).
It's a bit of a reach
I don't doubt what you say. My great-aunt worked for the Red Cross then for Oxfam, before returning to the Red Cross. To her dying day, she wouldn't donate a penny to Oxfam and always said it was corrupt. I don't pretend to know the reasons why, but she worked for these organisations in India, South Africa and the UK.
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You're absolutely right. But we can now either bang on about it endlessly or - how exhausting - brainstorm about solutions.
What's your's then? Just give up on "good cause" operations?
There's four points here:

1) What constitutes a "good cause" - Oxfam doesn't
2) Should we give up on "good causes" - No
3) Should charities receive state funds - No
4) Can you stop sexual predators exploiting good causes - No


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You make it sound like everyone who works there is a sexual predator, including Doris and Mabel at the Putney High St branch. From what I can gather, a lot of these guys treat charities like a carousel to live abroad and live it large, probably the same sorts of middle aged men that organise trips to Thailand to abuse local women and boys. Root those arseholes out and sack anyone who is guilty of cover up so that the rest of the organisation can get on with helping people.
I don't believe everyone that works at Oxfam is a sexual predator, I just believe that no charity should be state funded. Especially Oxfam as it has been hijacked and politicised. This scandal is a good reason to stop their funding.
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I don't believe everyone that works at Oxfam is a sexual predator, I just believe that no charity should be state funded. Especially Oxfam as it has been hijacked and politicised. This scandal is a good reason to stop their funding.
The DFID has a budget which must be spent, the choice is give it to a reputable NGO with the relevant standards on traceability and the infrastructure on the ground to put it to good use.. or throw money at corrupt government officials and freelance consultants.
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I think it's worth remembering with Jimmy Savile that he wasn't accused of his alleged crimes until one whole year after his death, that the initial accusers, including in the ITV programme that triggered the scandal and avalanche of allegations/compensation claims, included a woman who had served a prison sentence for fraud and another who had provided the BBC with a fake police letter that contributed to their decision not to go ahead with a Newsnight programme on the allegations and that all the many different adults who said "me too" and made accusations thereafter of historic abuse and filed compensation claims had curiously all behaved in exactly the same way by all failing to report crimes against their person to the police during his long lifetime or their many years of adulthood, by all having parents or guardians who weren't told and/or were supposedly told but didn't report crimes against their charges and by all waiting for decades plus another year to see a TV programme to give themselves permission to come forward. I suspect that this may only be logically explained by him having done nothing illegal during his lifetime and attracting compensation hunters after his death ably abetted by the media eager to push a salacious story painting someone known for his charity fundraising activities and of eccentric appearance and private disposition as inherently corrupt, evil and with something to hide - which then spread to other people off the telly being accused and investigated/tried/convicted in Operation Yewtree, something that may happen again with this Oxfam scandal if certain people get the idea that they can now accuse random charity workers of "hiding in plain sight" and committing difficult to disprove offences that are potentially lucrative for the accusers.
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I think it's worth remembering with Jimmy Savile that he wasn't accused of his alleged crimes until one whole year after his death, that the initial accusers, including in the ITV programme that triggered the scandal and avalanche of allegations/compensation claims, included a woman who had served a prison sentence for fraud and another who had provided the BBC with a fake police letter that contributed to their decision not to go ahead with a Newsnight programme on the allegations and that all the many different adults who said "me too" and made accusations thereafter of historic abuse and filed compensation claims had curiously all behaved in exactly the same way by all failing to report crimes against their person to the police during his long lifetime or their many years of adulthood, by all having parents or guardians who weren't told and/or were supposedly told but didn't report crimes against their charges and by all waiting for decades plus another year to see a TV programme to give themselves permission to come forward. I suspect that this may only be logically explained by him having done nothing illegal during his lifetime and attracting compensation hunters after his death ably abetted by the media eager to push a salacious story painting someone known for his charity fundraising activities and of eccentric appearance and private disposition as inherently corrupt, evil and with something to hide - which then spread to other people off the telly being accused and investigated/tried/convicted in Operation Yewtree, something that may happen again with this Oxfam scandal if certain people get the idea that they can now accuse random charity workers of "hiding in plain sight" and committing difficult to disprove offences that are potentially lucrative for the accusers.
I don't believe what I've just read.


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The DFID has a budget which must be spent, the choice is give it to a reputable NGO with the relevant standards on traceability and the infrastructure on the ground to put it to good use.. or throw money at corrupt government officials and freelance consultants.
Just like buses.

Chair of Oxfam International arrested on corruption charges in Guatemala
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I think it's worth remembering with Jimmy Savile that he wasn't accused of his alleged crimes until one whole year after his death, that the initial accusers, including in the ITV programme that triggered the scandal and avalanche of allegations/compensation claims, included a woman who had served a prison sentence for fraud and another who had provided the BBC with a fake police letter that contributed to their decision not to go ahead with a Newsnight programme on the allegations and that all the many different adults who said "me too" and made accusations thereafter of historic abuse and filed compensation claims had curiously all behaved in exactly the same way by all failing to report crimes against their person to the police during his long lifetime or their many years of adulthood, by all having parents or guardians who weren't told and/or were supposedly told but didn't report crimes against their charges and by all waiting for decades plus another year to see a TV programme to give themselves permission to come forward. I suspect that this may only be logically explained by him having done nothing illegal during his lifetime and attracting compensation hunters after his death ably abetted by the media eager to push a salacious story painting someone known for his charity fundraising activities and of eccentric appearance and private disposition as inherently corrupt, evil and with something to hide - which then spread to other people off the telly being accused and investigated/tried/convicted in Operation Yewtree, something that may happen again with this Oxfam scandal if certain people get the idea that they can now accuse random charity workers of "hiding in plain sight" and committing difficult to disprove offences that are potentially lucrative for the accusers.
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I don't believe what I've just read.


"Savile used to go on and on about the young girls whod wait in line for him outside his dressing room ... He'd pick the ones he wanted and say to the rest, 'Unlucky, come back again tomorrow night'."

And now they all cry rape.
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"Savile used to go on and on about the young girls whod wait in line for him outside his dressing room ... He'd pick the ones he wanted and say to the rest, 'Unlucky, come back again tomorrow night'."

And now they all cry rape.
You too? Good grief.
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Just saying then and now women will go to events hoping to get laid by "stars", "celebrities", etc. How many did it willingly and are now claiming rape, sexual assault, etc, when Savile isn't around to defend himself? Allegations are two a penny as we've seen with both Savile and Weinstein and many more. How much proof of such allegations there are we won't know until someone comes to trial. Savile we will never know, the police say there's evidence, but it will never be released since he can't be tried. Weinstein and others, well maybe, but so far as I can see at the moment it's a case of "he said, she said" with no physical evidence of said allegations.

For those women who complained at the time and were ignored, not believed, I have nothing but admiration for their courage. For those who didn't and are now, years later, leaping on the "Me Too" wagon I have nothing but contempt.
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