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Old 29.05.2018, 18:57
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Great! Imprison everybody as soon as accusations by any John Doe or Jane Que have been raised. Destroy their familiy and economic life just because on an envious neighbor's report.

Talk about rule of the mob. Now that would be some business model!
All I meant is that if someone has done something illegal against you, it is not that you have to collect evidence before bringing an allegation.

I think in Harveys case, it's pretty clear that he has been up to some kind of mischief!

I agree though that great care should be taken before making accusations, and that the reasons for some people doing so are untoward.
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Old 29.05.2018, 19:18
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Obviously not a crime, but anything that makes a person 'sexually' uncomfortable can be considered sexual harassment, and accusing someone of sexual harassment will gain media coverage and most likely kill the accused career.
And here I thought there were specific legal definitions. Glad to see one's feelings are more important.

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So then, I can sue women who show cleavage or short skirts and no knickers?

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Why, do women usually pull a Sharon Stone and go all Basic Instinct in your presence, Tom?

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Believing EF (or the internet) is the most reliable source of information....now that's terrifying. :-)

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Well, that has all been taken care of for Weinstein, without imprisonment. Hasn't it.
Yes, that's the aspect I find disgusting about MeToo.
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Old 30.05.2018, 14:53
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Yes, that's the aspect I find disgusting about MeToo.
When the first few woman are convicted for defamation, this will slow down quickly, wanna bet?
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

Rose McGowan has been interviewed on Newsnight, gently and sympathetically by Kirsty Wark.

No testing questions, e.g. about how her story seems to have changed, now saying (in the year her autobiography "Brave" came out) that Weinstein "tore off her clothing, made her sit on the edge of the Jacuzzi", etc. (source), compared to what she originally told her former manager (cf. below).

But maybe Wark was wary of inducing a reaction like this.

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Weinstein accuser Rose McGowan's ex manager has committed suicide. Somehow I doubt that this will McGowan much pause. (I don't find her credible.)

Rose McGowan's ex-manager kills herself: Family of Jill Messick, who represented the actress when she was 'raped' by Weinstein, say she took her own life after being 'slandered' into the scandal

'This comes after the January 30 release of McGowan's book, Brave, which claims Messick did little to help her after she confided in her about the alleged attack by Weinstein. ...

The family went on to say that having her name wrapped up in allegations of sexual misconduct against McGowan, allegedly perpetrated at the hands of Weinstein and by implication with her aid, was too much for Messick, who 'was just starting to get her life back on track' after suffering a manic episode five years ago.

'What makes Rose’s inaccurate accusations and insinuations against Jill ironic was that she was the first person who stood up on Rose’s behalf, and alerted her bosses to the horrific experience which Rose suffered,' the family added. ...

Following the meeting, Rose told Jill what had happened — that she made the decision to remove her clothes and get in the hot tub with him — a mistake which Rose immediately regretted. Rose never once used the word rape in that conversation. '
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Old 20.08.2018, 10:38
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What goes around comes around...

"Asia Argento, a #MeToo Leader, Made a Deal With Her Own Accuser"

"in the months that followed her revelations about Mr. Weinstein last October, Ms. Argento quietly arranged to pay $380,000 to her own accuser: Jimmy Bennett, a young actor and rock musician who said she had sexually assaulted him in a California hotel room years earlier, when he was only two months past his 17th birthday. She was 37. The age of consent in California is 18."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/19/u...y-bennett.html

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Old 20.08.2018, 11:08
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

you couldn't make this shit up, guess she figured it only works one way. all just a modern day witch hunt.
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Old 20.08.2018, 11:30
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"Asia Argento, a #MeToo Leader, Made a Deal With Her Own Accuser"

"in the months that followed her revelations about Mr. Weinstein last October, Ms. Argento quietly arranged to pay $380,000 to her own accuser: Jimmy Bennett, a young actor and rock musician who said she had sexually assaulted him in a California hotel room years earlier, when he was only two months past his 17th birthday. She was 37. The age of consent in California is 18."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/19/u...y-bennett.html

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Being seduced by a beautiful older woman at the age of 17 is so traumatic #metoo has thrown up a lot of shills and charlatans of both sexes, but to brand her a hypocrite implies equivalence between his experience with her and her experience with H Weinsten.

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Old 20.08.2018, 12:55
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...to brand her a hypocrite implies equivalence between his experience with her and her experience with H Weinsten.
The fact that she suffered does not give her "credit" to cause other people to suffer. She's a hypocrite because she became the poster-child for the movement and it appears she's been dishonest by doing the exact same thing she destroyed (rightfully) Weinstein for. Hopefully, it should be game over for her too.

btw, makes me wonder, the kid was not even 18 then, isn't this actually child sexual abuse? She's apparently a good Catholic
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Old 20.08.2018, 13:01
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to brand her a hypocrite implies equivalence between his experience with her and her experience with H Weinsten.
There is no equivalence: she was an adult, her victim a minor.

She and Weinstein were both adults in that case.

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Old 20.08.2018, 13:16
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Being seduced by a beautiful older woman at the age of 17 is so traumatic
I'm surprised at you for that comment. Giving alcohol to and having sex with a minor is fine if it's a boy (age of consent is 18 there, and I assume 21 for supplying alcohol)? If they really had the mother-son relationship, which both she and he imply, then there's a significant breach of trust and morals there, even ignoring the legal implications.

I won't call her a hypocrite, because that implies she has no right to call out Weinstein. She should answer for her own actions though.
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Being seduced by a beautiful older woman at the age of 17 is so traumatic
Well, traumatic or not... it is illegal in the state of California. As in, a crime.
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

if it was a 37 yr old man and a 17yr old girl, what would the outcome have been?
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Being seduced by a beautiful older woman at the age of 17 is so traumatic #metoo has thrown up a lot of shills and charlatans of both sexes, but to brand her a hypocrite implies equivalence between his experience with her and her experience with H Weinsten.
So committing a crime is Ok as long as you're beautiful (your characterisation, not mine) and female.

Sounds pretty sexist to me.
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

Unless proven otherwise, the two (J.B and A.A.) were colleagues and none of them was in a more powerful position then the other. They were both actors and what happened could not and did not influence the professional career of any of them. Also, the article clearly refers to selfies and looks like none of them was uncomfortable or ashamed in that situation.

The whole #metoo movement is about powerful men (or women) using their power and influence to receive favors they normally would not be entitled too.

What she did was illegal hence she tried to settle the issue unofficially. She can (and probably will) be prosecuted for what happened, but I can see a difference in the above scenarios.
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The whole #metoo movement is about powerful men (or women) using their power and influence to receive favors they normally would not be entitled too.
No.

It is about sexual assault in general, a few high profile cases gaining a higher amount of attention does not change this.
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Unless proven otherwise, the two (J.B and A.A.) were colleagues and none of them was in a more powerful position then the other. They were both actors and what happened could not and did not influence the professional career of any of them. Also, the article clearly refers to selfies and looks like none of them was uncomfortable or ashamed in that situation.

The whole #metoo movement is about powerful men (or women) using their power and influence to receive favors they normally would not be entitled too.

What she did was illegal hence she tried to settle the issue unofficially. She can (and probably will) be prosecuted for what happened, but I can see a difference in the above scenarios.
turn that around, much older man and underage teenage girl, still the same?

why do people seem to think its ok one way round but not the other??

of course there is a power imbalance, the boy was, well, just a boy, she was an established 'star' (loose definition as I've never heard of her)
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

all this really does is help Weinstein at the end of the day, his 2 biggest accusers have shown themselves to be less then stellar witnesses who any half decent lawyer will rip to pieces, thats if the prosecution even dare to call them.
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"Asia Argento, a #MeToo Leader, Made a Deal With Her Own Accuser"

"in the months that followed her revelations about Mr. Weinstein last October, Ms. Argento quietly arranged to pay $380,000 to her own accuser: Jimmy Bennett, a young actor and rock musician who said she had sexually assaulted him in a California hotel room years earlier, when he was only two months past his 17th birthday. She was 37. The age of consent in California is 18."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/19/u...y-bennett.html

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Maybe we got the meaning of this "me too" all wrong.
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