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Here's Courtney Love a few years ago, and we all know what Hollywood and the media think of her.. Ha! Wonder why:
I think a lot of people felt that she preyed upon her late husband - Billy Corgan's words about her kind of backed that up... funny enough that she should be the one to complain about Weinstein.

The one I kind of feel sad for is Corey Feldman... who got shot down (by a bunch of ladies on the View) for trying to point out the abuse he suffered in the "industry"...




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The one I kind of feel sad for is Corey Feldman... who got shot down (by a bunch of ladies on the View) for trying to point out the abuse he suffered in the "industry"...
"You're damaging an entire industry."

Yup. At the end of the day, that's exactly what this is about.

The sacrifice has been made. Now it's back to business as usual.

You can put as many hashtags on your facebook page as you like, but nothing will change. You don't want to damage an entire industry now, do you?

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these casting couch stories are hardly new, and there is no shortage of talentless wannabies willing to do whoever it takes for their 15 minutes, its kinda funny they never said anything until their careers had gone down the toilet and their latest tv show flops where canceled. Also funny how even after these events happened they where willing to still be in his films, go to premiers with him and be photographed with him.

move along, another wannabie at the door.
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Funny that there's been no mention of Trump so far. Easy to find photos of him with Weinstein. They shared so much.

Here's what Trump had to say about Clinton:
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Trump said Clinton was a “victim” and critiqued the physical appearances of various women with whom Clinton had been accused of having extramarital relations at different times. “It’s like it's from hell, it's a terrible group of people,” Trump said in an interview with FOX News' Neil Cavuto on Aug. 19, 1998. Asked by Cavuto if Clinton’s image as a “quasi-sex symbol” stood to somehow benefit from the alleged extramarital relations, Trump took issue with the characterization.

“I don't necessarily agree with his victims, his victims are terrible,” Trump said. “He is really a victim himself. But he put himself in that position.”

“The whole group, Paula Jones, Lewinsky, it's just a really unattractive group. I'm not just talking about physical," he said.

“Would it be any different if it were a supermodel crowd?” Cavuto then asked.

“I think at least it would be more pleasant to watch,” Trump replied.
Interesting.
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I wouldn't have said this scandal was funny in terms of being humorous but it's certainly odd. The idea that he had committed low level if unpleasant offences and no-one had reported him to police and/or others had brushed it off as "just Harvey" is plausible, but rape? Would rape victims take a settlement? Rose McGowan is not credible, in my view.

1997: "In 1997, Mr. Weinstein reached a settlement with the actor Rose McGowan after an episode in a hotel room during the Sundance Film Festival." (New York Times)
1998: she turns up virtually naked to the MTV awards
2007: stands smiling next to Harvey Weinstein at a film premiere (BBC)
2011: gives an interview where she responds as follows to a comment about the director of her latest film: "Interviewer: Well, Salva is a convicted and registered sex offender, which might account for some social awkwardness.
Rose McGowan: Yeah, I still don’t really understand the whole story or history there, and I’d rather not, because it’s not really my business. But he’s an incredibly sweet and gentle man, lovely to his crew, and a very hard worker."
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2015 interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDKlrey9ETc
2018: her autobiography "Brave" is due out (HarperCollins)

The idea that he had been abusing his power to exploit women is disturbing but it is also disturbing that people in Hollywood are being pressurised to get in line and condemn - when he hasn't even seen the inside of a court room yet. Oliver Stone attempted to urge caution by saying that Weinstein "should not be condemned by a vigilante system" - and was promptly accused of groping by a former Playboy playmate. Many of these women are no doubt telling the truth about Weinstein but with no need for evidence other than a person's word and the ease with which a story already published online could be copied, there is every possibility of a bandwagon effect with opportunists jumping aboard in the hope of media payouts and/or compensation through a court case.
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The idea that he had been abusing his power to exploit women is disturbing but it is also disturbing that people in Hollywood are being pressurised to get in line and condemn - when he hasn't even seen the inside of a court room yet. Oliver Stone attempted to urge caution by saying that Weinstein "should not be condemned by a vigilante system" - and was promptly accused of groping by a former Playboy playmate. Many of these women are no doubt telling the truth about Weinstein but with no need for evidence other than a person's word and the ease with which a story already published online could be copied, there is every possibility of a bandwagon effect with opportunists jumping aboard in the hope of media payouts and/or compensation through a court case.
I see 2 basic possibilities

- As you said, "opportunists jumping aboard in the hope of media payouts and/or compensation through a court case"
- Or, they basically had to keep quiet to ever have a chance of acting again.

I tend to the latter for most people. There are always folk in the first category.

For example, I read in one article that his power has waned so people can now speak up.
Whereas, another one suggested that folk needed to consult their agents and PR before speaking out. To make sure...

However, given how other *men* have said stupid shit supporting this guy, I tend ever more to the latter option: this shit is endemic in Hollywood and women either put up with it or get (forced?) out.
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I wouldn't have said this scandal was funny in terms of being humorous but it's certainly odd. The idea that he had committed low level if unpleasant offences and no-one had reported him to police and/or others had brushed it off as "just Harvey" is plausible, but rape? Would rape victims take a settlement? Rose McGowan is not credible, in my view.

1997: "In 1997, Mr. Weinstein reached a settlement with the actor Rose McGowan after an episode in a hotel room during the Sundance Film Festival." (New York Times)
1998: she turns up virtually naked to the MTV awards
2007: stands smiling next to Harvey Weinstein at a film premiere (BBC)
2011: gives an interview where she responds as follows to a comment about the director of her latest film: "Interviewer: Well, Salva is a convicted and registered sex offender, which might account for some social awkwardness.
Rose McGowan: Yeah, I still don’t really understand the whole story or history there, and I’d rather not, because it’s not really my business. But he’s an incredibly sweet and gentle man, lovely to his crew, and a very hard worker."
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2015 interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDKlrey9ETc
2018: her autobiography "Brave" is due out (HarperCollins)

The idea that he had been abusing his power to exploit women is disturbing but it is also disturbing that people in Hollywood are being pressurised to get in line and condemn - when he hasn't even seen the inside of a court room yet. Oliver Stone attempted to urge caution by saying that Weinstein "should not be condemned by a vigilante system" - and was promptly accused of groping by a former Playboy playmate. Many of these women are no doubt telling the truth about Weinstein but with no need for evidence other than a person's word and the ease with which a story already published online could be copied, there is every possibility of a bandwagon effect with opportunists jumping aboard in the hope of media payouts and/or compensation through a court case.
That explains everything.
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However, given how other *men* have said stupid shit supporting this guy, I tend ever more to the latter option: this shit is endemic in Hollywood and women either put up with it or get (forced?) out.
I don't know if it necessarily follows that what Weinstein has been accused of must be endemic, any more than if your next-door neighbour is accused of some crime it must mean that other men in the street must also be guilty of the same.
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Although what Weinstein is accused of may have gone on in the past, I don't know that it necessarily follows that it must be endemic now, any more than if your next-door neighbour is accused of some crime it must mean that other men in the street must also be guilty of the same.
In real life, with normal people, the other men in the street won't usually make excuses for the accused man.

Different environment.
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And now it's spreading. An Australian former TV presenter has accused the safely dead Patrick Swayze of assaulting her, while also accusing Harvey Weinstein and an as yet unnamed Hollywood figure. Kissed by Patrick Swayze (the horror!) and kept quiet about it for years (really?!) and still mulling over which third person to accuse, I suspect.

'I was trembling, it was like an uncle grabbing you and kissing you': Former TV presenter reveals she was accosted by Patrick Swayze while working as a make-up artist

'I will not name this person, I want the phone to ring': Australian TV host who claimed Patrick Swayze and Harvey Weinstein assaulted her says she was attacked by ANOTHER Hollywood abuser


'Something that I've never said publicly is my only child is disabled, and he lives in a hospital,' Mahone said. 'Most likely he will for the balance of his life. And I need to work, because his care is very expensive.'

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Must be through your father's side

Anyway, back on topic. He sound's like a right piece of work. What's funny though, is whilst the press and Hollywood are tearing themselves to ribbons over this, your man on the street just shrugs.
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When you're outed as a predator of an underage boy, but come out as gay in order to deflect the story.

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Let this be a lesson to any perverts reading this... you will be outed and publicly shamed.
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Let this be a lesson to any perverts reading this... you will be outed and publicly shamed.
Not that I am condoning any harassment or indeed attacks in this or any industry but it seems in this day and age people can be outed and publicly shamed with little or no evidence thanks to social media and the fact that, after the Jimmy Savile / Operation Yewtree investigations, the victim is first and foremost believed which immediately puts the suspect in the "guilty until proven innocent" category, with no anonymity protection from the media.

The full force of the law should be applied to these perverts that abuse their position but I find it slightly backward that anyone can be openly accused of abusing others without a shred of evidence because even if the case is thrown out, the mud sticks and often it's a career killer and life altering experience.
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Not that I am condoning any harassment or indeed attacks in this or any industry but it seems in this day and age people can be outed and publicly shamed with little or no evidence thanks to social media and the fact that, after the Jimmy Savile / Operation Yewtree investigations, the victim is first and foremost believed which immediately puts the suspect in the "guilty until proven innocent" category, with no anonymity protection from the media.

The full force of the law should be applied to these perverts that abuse their position but I find it slightly backward that anyone can be openly accused of abusing others without a shred of evidence because even if the case is thrown out, the mud sticks and often it's a career killer and life altering experience.
Indeed, act first, think later. Tip off the press, kick in the front door and make of with hard drives, all on the basis of nothing.

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I wouldn't have said this scandal was funny in terms of being humorous but it's certainly odd. The idea that he had committed low level if unpleasant offences and no-one had reported him to police and/or others had brushed it off as "just Harvey" is plausible, but rape? Would rape victims take a settlement? Rose McGowan is not credible, in my view.

1997: "In 1997, Mr. Weinstein reached a settlement with the actor Rose McGowan after an episode in a hotel room during the Sundance Film Festival." (New York Times)
1998: she turns up virtually naked to the MTV awards
2007: stands smiling next to Harvey Weinstein at a film premiere (BBC)
2011: gives an interview where she responds as follows to a comment about the director of her latest film: "Interviewer: Well, Salva is a convicted and registered sex offender, which might account for some social awkwardness.
Rose McGowan: Yeah, I still don’t really understand the whole story or history there, and I’d rather not, because it’s not really my business. But he’s an incredibly sweet and gentle man, lovely to his crew, and a very hard worker."
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2015 interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDKlrey9ETc
2018: her autobiography "Brave" is due out (HarperCollins)

The idea that he had been abusing his power to exploit women is disturbing but it is also disturbing that people in Hollywood are being pressurised to get in line and condemn - when he hasn't even seen the inside of a court room yet. Oliver Stone attempted to urge caution by saying that Weinstein "should not be condemned by a vigilante system" - and was promptly accused of groping by a former Playboy playmate. Many of these women are no doubt telling the truth about Weinstein but with no need for evidence other than a person's word and the ease with which a story already published online could be copied, there is every possibility of a bandwagon effect with opportunists jumping aboard in the hope of media payouts and/or compensation through a court case.
You do know that these women are actually known for being able to act don't you?
Jeez, non-actresses that are harassed also get on with their lives and interact pleasantly with their harassers in public, especially in work based activities, after realising that nothing is going to happen to the harasser. Why you think actresses would not be able to build an emotional wall and get on with their careers when 'Tracy in purchasing' can, I have no idea!
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

It's quite well known about Spacey not taking no for an answer.

I heard some nasty things about his behavour in Dublin theatre bars with young males when he was in Ireland. The things is, these superstars know they're untouchable and can get away with it.. this will not be the last story that will come out about him.

Weinstein - I am beginning to wonder was his first job a serial rapist and second job a movie producer? The extent of his abuse is astonishing.
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Then again some of these "relevations" seem to be a bit over the top. "Oh dear" she shrieks, "So and so touched my elbow only twenty years ago!" Pay me a million and I´ll tell you all about it.
I think we should be careful not to succumb to the media´s hysteric giddy glee at ripping into an industry known for being shallow and dumb.
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When you're outed as a predator of an underage boy, but come out as gay in order to deflect the story.
I find this entire saga pretty unedifying. If a crime had taken place then the best course of action would be to report it to the police, and not blow it up on Twitter.
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I find this entire saga pretty unedifying. If a crime had taken place then the best course of action would be to report it to the police, and not blow it up on Twitter.
I agree with this. There's no way of proving this story either way, it certainly wouldn't stand up in court. Where will it end up - will you end up getting jailed for once flirting with a colleague 25 years ago?

Still enjoying watching Hollywood implode though.
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