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I agree with this. There's no way of proving this story either way, it certainly wouldn't stand up in court. Where will it end up - will you end up getting jailed for once flirting with a colleague 25 years ago?

Still enjoying watching Hollywood implode though.
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It's quite well known about Spacey not taking no for an answer.

I heard some nasty things about his behavour in Dublin theatre bars with young males when he was in Ireland. The things is, these superstars know they're untouchable and can get away with it.. this will not be the last story that will come out about him.
What I find thought-provoking about Spacey's statement:
To paraphrase, he says this may have happened but he doesn't remember. Which of course implies that this wasn't a single incident but one of many. So many that a single incident didn't leave even a tiny impression.

I have no doubt a non-zero portion of all the allegations are ordinary lies by ruthless predator "victims". Those on Spacey however appear justified.

I was about to write "given the extent, at least some of those on Weinstein probably are as well". Which is exactly what some of you hinted at above: Something will stick.

On the other hand, sex with underage kids was seen in a completely different a generation or two ago. Some groups in Germany even tried to legalise any relationships between consenting individuals regardless of sex and age difference (homosexual sex was illegal until 1969, in 1973 the age limit was lowered to age 18), if memory serves the intended minimum age was 12 or 14.
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To paraphrase, he says this may have happened but he doesn't remember. Which of course implies that this wasn't a single incident but one of many. So many that a single incident didn't leave even a tiny impression.
Not sure I agree here, a famous actor (or famous anyone) will have people literally throwing themselves at them, going to a party and pulling someone / or failing to, will be instantly forgotten. I have a very good looking friend who women quite literally throw themselves at, during lad's holidays he would be with a different girl every night, I'd bet you anything he wouldn't be able to remember a thing about any of them today*.

* Ok, maybe 2 of them he would remember but that's a whole different NSFW story(s)
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I have a very good looking friend who women quite literally throw themselves at, during lad's holidays he would be with a different girl every night, I'd bet you anything he wouldn't be able to remember a thing about any of them today*.
I've still got the polaroids.
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Old 30.10.2017, 16:08
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I've still got the polaroids.
lol I'm so glad there was no such thing as digital cameras or phone cameras back then
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

Am I the only one who feels uncomfortable with her side of the story (see bold text)?

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Actress Rose McGowan says she was offered $1m (£760,000) from Harvey Weinstein in exchange for her silence.

McGowan says she turned down the money the day before the New York Times ran an expose on the movie mogul.

She told the paper through her lawyer that someone close to Weinstein said she could have the money if she would sign a non-disclosure agreement.

McGowan is one of several women to accuse Weinstein of rape. He denies all allegations of non-consensual sex.

The original expose story, published on 5 October, was followed by multiple allegations from dozens of women accusing the Hollywood producer of sexual harassment and assault.

The New York Times's original story alleged that McGowan had reached a $100,000 (£76,000) settlement with Weinstein following an incident in a hotel room during the 1997 Sundance Film Festival.

She later accused Weinstein on Twitter of raping her before confirming her allegations to the The Hollywood Reporter.

In this weekend's New York Times story, McGowan says she learned over the summer that her original $100,000 settlement did not include a confidentiality clause.

It was in late September this year that the $1m offer allegedly came from the Weinstein camp and she spent several days considering it before turning down the deal the day before the New York Times story broke.

"I had all these people I'm paying telling me to take it so that I could fund my art," McGowan told the newspaper.

She then said she went back and asked for $6m (£4.5m) but later told her lawyer to pull the offer.

"I figured I could probably have gotten him up to three (million dollars)," she said.

"But I was like - ew, gross, you're disgusting, I don't want your money, that would make me feel disgusting."


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am i the only one who feels uncomfortable with her side of the story (see bold text)?

Sounds something like buyer's remorse to me...
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Old 31.10.2017, 12:52
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

Rape is OK for $3 million. But not for only $1 million. (Although apparently $100k was enough, 20 years ago. That's quite an inflation rate...)
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Old 31.10.2017, 13:07
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Am I the only one who feels uncomfortable with her side of the story (see bold text)?
Why?
The honest man has the highest price. What if she'd got 3 million out of him and donated it to charity? Would that make you feel differently?

Personally, in her position, and with numerous allegations against him, I'd have asked for 20million 30milion, 40million, etc...to charities of my choice, and he'd have one less testimony to defend himself against, but I'd make the donations public knowledge. I'd have bled him dry, then sat back and laughed whilst the shit hit the fan.
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Old 31.10.2017, 13:14
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Why?
The honest man has the highest price. What if she'd got 3 million out of him and donated it to charity? Would that make you feel differently?

Personally, in her position, and with numerous allegations against him, I'd have asked for 20million 30milion, 40million, etc...to charities of my choice, and he'd have one less testimony to defend himself against, but I'd make the donations public knowledge. I'd have bled him dry, then sat back and laughed whilst the shit hit the fan.
I don't see any mention of charities in the report, though. Rose McGowan (always makes me think of the Pogues) is quoted talking about "funding my art", which doesn't sound selflessly philanthropic to me.
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

He statement does sound shallow, but I doesn't and shouldn't take anything away from what happened to her. We don't know this person personally. We don't know her character, and what she's recounted is the advice that was given to her. I agree that the advice was ill judged, but it speaks more of the people surrounding her than it does of the person herself. The only essence we have of her is that she didn't take the money because it made her feel disgusting.

In situations like this, you can't change what happened, but you can do your utmost to make sure it doesn't happen again, and also make something good come out of it. In the meantime, Weinstein is still a free man and UK MPs are under inverstigation. Too many times in my career, I represented people in workplace sexual harrassment grievance procedures. I don't believe a lot is going to change, no matter what the media say about this being a watershed moment.
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Not sure I agree here, a famous actor (or famous anyone) will have people literally throwing themselves at them, going to a party and pulling someone / or failing to, will be instantly forgotten. I have a very good looking friend who women quite literally throw themselves at, during lad's holidays he would be with a different girl every night, I'd bet you anything he wouldn't be able to remember a thing about any of them today*.

* Ok, maybe 2 of them he would remember but that's a whole different NSFW story(s)
In such a case he'd be the target rather than the agent. Certainly he'd phrase his reply differently, like, "I never knowingly approached 14yr old with sex in mind" or even "Even though gay [or bi or whatever], I'm not into 14yr old boys".

He doesn't indicate 14yr-olds are out of his target age range, which implies they are.

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Am I the only one who feels uncomfortable with her side of the story (see bold text)?
Did you see the story on the drug thing? The case started in January, she ignored the order to appear before court, now she alleges an attempt at silencing her because, not too surprisingly, the courts don't like being ignored.

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It's quite well known about Spacey not taking no for an answer.

I heard some nasty things about his behavour in Dublin theatre bars with young males when he was in Ireland. The things is, these superstars know they're untouchable and can get away with it.. this will not be the last story that will come out about him.

Weinstein - I am beginning to wonder was his first job a serial rapist and second job a movie producer? The extent of his abuse is astonishing.
K. Stacey is under investigation by Scotland Yard for abuse claims dating back to 2008.

Wonder will the Irish police/Gardaí follow suit. It seems like the pubs around the theatres, both in London and Dublin, were his predatory hunting ground to find young theatre workers/stagehands and young actors.

New York police say they have 'enough to arrest' Harvey Weinstein after Paz de la Huerta rape allegation - Daily Telegraph

Finally these scumbags and their crimes are going to dealt with.

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K. Stacey is under investigation by Scotland Yard for abuse claims dating back to 2008.

Wonder will the Irish police/Gardaí follow suit. It seems like the pubs around the theatres, both in London and Dublin, were his predatory hunting ground to find young theatre workers/stagehands and young actors.

New York police say they have 'enough to arrest' Harvey Weinstein after Paz de la Huerta rape allegation - Daily Telegraph

Finally these scumbags and their crimes are going to dealt with.
I like the way there hasn't been a trial or any charges brought yet but that Spacey has already been thrown under a bus. Jesus got a fairer hearing.

He's not helping himself either mind, having put himself in for "treatment". Treatment for what? Being gay?

It's a good thing that House of Cards went shit after the first two seasons.
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How prophetic. Seems Hollywood's always been a hotbed of mucky little pervs. Well at least since 1945.
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Old 07.11.2017, 14:27
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

Hopefully this prompts a sombre reflection in the media and the public's rush to judgement.

Labour politician Carl Sargeant found dead after being sacked over sex allegations

Former Welsh government minister Carl Sargeant has died just days after being sacked from his role and suspended from the Labour Party over allegations about his personal conduct.

A family statement said his relatives were "devastated beyond words" at the loss of "the glue that bound us together".

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said Mr Sargeant's death was "terrible and deeply shocking news".

Mr Sargeant, who is understood to have taken his own life, was a "much loved husband, father and friend", a statement released by the family said.

"Carl was a much loved husband, father and friend. He wasn't simply a part of our family. He was the glue that bound us together. He was the heart of our family. We loved him so very much," the statement said.

"He was the most kind and caring husband, father, son and friend.

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Hopefully this prompts a sombre reflection in the media and the public's rush to judgement.
I'm not sure your point is valid. Sargeant was a career politician, a man who must have been used to the rough and tumble of very competitive life in the public eye. He was accused of sexual misconduct. Either he was innocent, and could have defended himself in the strongest possible terms (apparently strongly supported by his family), or he wasn't. By committing suicide, it makes it look rather like he was not innocent of the charges.

So the question becomes, should one not accuse an alleged offender, for fear that s/he may commit suicide? I think not.
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I'm not sure your point is valid. Sargeant was a career politician, a man who must have been used to the rough and tumble of very competitive life in the public eye. He was accused of sexual misconduct. Either he was innocent, and could have defended himself in the strongest possible terms (apparently strongly supported by his family), or he wasn't. By committing suicide, it makes it look rather like he was not innocent of the charges.

So the question becomes, should one not accuse an alleged offender, for fear that s/he may commit suicide? I think not.
not really, its impossible to defend yourself against historical abuse claims, and it seems a lot of the claims seem to be quite spurious, he touched my leg back in '88. If you defend yourself in court people won't remember the outcome just the fact you went to court over sex claims.

Its a feeding frenzy at the moment, and lets not forget none of these claims against the latest crop of people are actually due to being arrested or police investigations, its people running to the press.
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I'm not sure your point is valid. Sargeant was a career politician, a man who must have been used to the rough and tumble of very competitive life in the public eye. He was accused of sexual misconduct. Either he was innocent, and could have defended himself in the strongest possible terms (apparently strongly supported by his family), or he wasn't. By committing suicide, it makes it look rather like he was not innocent of the charges.

So the question becomes, should one not accuse an alleged offender, for fear that s/he may commit suicide? I think not.
Its a fair point however I still fundamentally believe that the alleged perpetrator should remain anonymous until a point that charges are brought or there is a party disciplinary procedure (e.g. in cases of sexual misconduct that falls below the threshold for a criminal prosecution), unless of course they are a clear danger.

Right now in politics there is a huge amount of polarisation with far left and right-wing sites and twitter trolls amplifying these accusations for political capital with little regard for the consequences. And its human nature to think 'no smoke without fire' even if the person is eventually cleared, and that could be enough to push someone over the edge.
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I agree with this. There's no way of proving this story either way, it certainly wouldn't stand up in court. Where will it end up - will you end up getting jailed for once flirting with a colleague 25 years ago?

Still enjoying watching Hollywood implode though.
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