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Hopefully this prompts a sombre reflection in the media and the public's rush to judgement.
We live in the Witch Hunt age. Trial by social media. Instant results.

What people don't seem to realise is that it'll be THEM next. This is how these things work.
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It's not a trial. What's better? That predators like Weinstein get away?
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What people don't seem to realise is that it'll be THEM next. This is how these things work.
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It's not a trial. What's better? That predators like Weinstein get away?
I read somewhere on twitter that FKK enthusiasts have a tendency towards pederasty.
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Did you mean pastry?
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I read somewhere on twitter that FKK enthusiasts have a tendency towards pederasty.

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Finally, LAPD are investigating Hollywood pedophile ring after Corey Feldman files formal report.

I hope Feldman gets his day in court and predators continue to get reported & investigated.
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We live in the Witch Hunt age. Trial by social media. Instant results.

What people don't seem to realise is that it'll be THEM next. This is how these things work.
He was sacked from his role on Friday without knowing what he was being accused of and then left to stew over the weekend. It is nothing short of Kafkaesque, and raises serious questions about how Carwyn Jones handled the matter.

And even if he is guilty, I am not sure this is how his accusers would have wanted the matter to end. As Jeremy Corbyn correctly stated, parties need to offer better pastoral care with a presumption of innocence until guilt is proven.
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It's not a trial. What's better? That predators like Weinstein get away?
Erm, fair trial? Judged by a jury of your peers? Innocent until proven guilty?

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He was sacked from his role on Friday without knowing what he was being accused of and then left to stew over the weekend. It is nothing short of Kafkaesque, and raises serious questions about how Carwyn Jones handled the matter.

And even if he is guilty, I am not sure this is how his accusers would have wanted the matter to end. As Jeremy Corbyn correctly stated, parties need to offer better pastoral care with a presumption of innocence until guilt is proven.
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Old 08.11.2017, 12:50
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We live in the Witch Hunt age. Trial by social media. Instant results.

What people don't seem to realise is that it'll be THEM next. This is how these things work.
I indeed don't realize how it will be me next. In the case of Weinstein do we have by now over a dozen women coming forward with credible claims of sexual assault and rape. At least the DAs of New York and Los Angeles are formally investigating... I'll be the first to admit that some of the women seem frankly not very credible. I have never blamed a rape victim for "asking for it" by wearing the wrong clothes or anything like that... but some of them shared hotel rooms with him and were "surprised" that he'd want sex. I find that a bit odd to say the least...

but anyway - even if in the end only a dozen or so are indeed victims, I can honestly not see how I could be in his position. I guess every guy can end up facing some false rape accusation, but Mr Weinstein seems to have been an all around pig for decades of his life. His former chauffeur by now cashed in by telling the newspapers what they wanted to hear and it seems to be way more than a dozen of actresses...
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Old 08.11.2017, 13:28
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I indeed don't realize how it will be me next. In the case of Weinstein do we have by now over a dozen women coming forward with credible claims of sexual assault and rape. At least the DAs of New York and Los Angeles are formally investigating... I'll be the first to admit that some of the women seem frankly not very credible. I have never blamed a rape victim for "asking for it" by wearing the wrong clothes or anything like that... but some of them shared hotel rooms with him and were "surprised" that he'd want sex. I find that a bit odd to say the least...

but anyway - even if in the end only a dozen or so are indeed victims, I can honestly not see how I could be in his position. I guess every guy can end up facing some false rape accusation, but Mr Weinstein seems to have been an all around pig for decades of his life. His former chauffeur by now cashed in by telling the newspapers what they wanted to hear and it seems to be way more than a dozen of actresses...
My point is less related to Weinstein and more related to the witch hunt culture that has now developed. If it floats, it's a witch. Guilt is secondary, all it takes is an accusation. When such a culture exists, everyone is at risk.
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My point is less related to Weinstein and more related to the witch hunt culture that has now developed. If it floats, it's a witch. Guilt is secondary, all it takes is an accusation. When such a culture exists, everyone is at risk.
And I'm sure you would be just as concerned if it was primarily left-leaning politicians (or, for example, Muslims) involved as opposed to mainly Tory politicians.
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Old 08.11.2017, 13:47
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And I'm sure you would be just as concerned if it was primarily left-leaning politicians (or, for example, Muslims) involved as opposed to mainly Tory politicians.
Like sexual harassment has any relationship with political affiliation

Corbyn aide David Prescott suspended over harassment claims
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Old 08.11.2017, 13:53
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My point is less related to Weinstein and more related to the witch hunt culture that has now developed. If it floats, it's a witch. Guilt is secondary, all it takes is an accusation. When such a culture exists, everyone is at risk.
But who exactly wasn't guilty?

Polansky? Cosby? I think they are by now proven guilty.

Trump? Not a witch hunt, we simply listened to his own words...

Weinstein? Honestly: even if some gold diggers now jump on the train, he has a massive trail of assaults and rapes behind him... it's if anything pretty bizarre that he managed to do this for so long.

Spacey? He admitted it although he "cannot recall the event" - which is complete bullshit. Nobody ever forgets that time you assaulted a guy...

The British minister quitting his job last week? Most def guilty.

I don't see the witch hunt in all of this, I think its simply time that some women find the opportunity to speak up and be heard. The video in your own first post on this thread shows how people weren't taken seriously before...

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But who exactly wasn't guilty?

Polansky? Cosby? I think they are by now proven guilty.

Trump? Not a witch hunt, we simply listened to his own words...

Weinstein? Honestly: even if some gold diggers now jump on the train, he has a massive trail of assaults and rapes behind him... it's if anything pretty bizarre that he managed to do this for so long.

Spacey? He admitted it although he "cannot recall the event" - which is complete bullshit. Nobody ever forgets that time you assaulted a guy...

The British minister quitting his job last week? Most def guilty.

I don't see the witch hunt in all of this, I think its simply time that some women find the opportunity to speak up and be heard. The video in your own first post on this thread shows how people weren't taken seriously before...

I think the problem is that, since the vast majority of the offenders in the UK parliament scandal are Tories many on the right (sites such as Spiked as well as newspapers like the Daily Mail) are trying to protect the Tories by gettting the scandal shut down. Hence we are seeing many lachrymose saurians who would be exploiting this for all it was worth if it was mainly Labour politicians involved.
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I think the problem is that, since the vast majority of the offenders in the UK parliament scandal are Tories many on the right (sites such as Spiked as well as newspapers like the Daily Mail) are trying to protect the Tories by gettting the scandal shut down. Hence we are seeing many lachrymose saurians who would be exploiting this for all it was worth if it was mainly Labour politicians involved.
Ok, I didn't follow UK politics... what happened besides the one minister who stepped down? Did some PMs screw a dead pig again?
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Ok, I didn't follow UK politics... what happened besides the one minister who stepped down? Did some PMs screw a dead pig again?
No there've been a number of allegations against MPs of all parties of sexual harassment and assault. The defence minister has resigned after a number of allegations (basically he couldn't keep it zipped when he'd had a few and made a few clumsy passes) and there are about 40 Tory MPs on a spreadsheet that's knocking around. Some of the allegations are pretty serious (we're talking rape here.)

The scandal isn't confined to the Tories but because of this spreadsheet they have the highest profile. Where accusations have been made against a Labour MP it seems that the party's reaction is to suspend the MP involved and to start an enquiry, the Tory reaction seems to be to stonewall.

Yesterday, unfortunately, a Welsh Labour AM (member of the Welsh Parliament) was suspended and he killed himself. As a result some right wingers who would like to see the inquiries against the Tory MPs squashed have been crying crocodile tears about witch hunts.
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No there've been a number of allegations against MPs of all parties of sexual harassment and assault. The defence minister has resigned after a number of allegations (basically he couldn't keep it zipped when he'd had a few and made a few clumsy passes) and there are about 40 Tory MPs on a spreadsheet that's knocking around. Some of the allegations are pretty serious (we're talking rape here.)

The scandal isn't confined to the Tories but because of this spreadsheet they have the highest profile. Where accusations have been made against a Labour MP it seems that the party's reaction is to suspend the MP involved and to start an enquiry, the Tory reaction seems to be to stonewall.

Yesterday, unfortunately, a Welsh Labour AM (member of the Welsh Parliament) was suspended and he killed himself. As a result some right wingers who would like to see the inquiries against the Tory MPs squashed have been crying crocodile tears about witch hunts.
Who is compiling this spread sheet? The ministry of filth?
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Who is compiling this spread sheet? The ministry of filth?
Some say it is the Dark Lord, Peter Mandelson
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What an ass the law is! For years rape victims, child abuse victims got no say, frightened, threatened, no protection from attacks or threats, left to get on with their lives as best they could.. and now they vent, rightly or wrongly, and the rapists cowards, predators scream at the injustice of it all, lol!

Quite a few priests when faced with court also committed suicide, too cowardly to face their victims and the years of damage caused by their predatory abuse. Their suicides were always met with a sigh of relief from the Church and no justice cries from the victims.

A hardened politician with years of experience and a political thick skin doesn’t commit suicide if he has been fired from his job. Clearly there is something more going on..

I really hope Cory Feldman keeps it together and holds out. Good to know there are quite a few male actors out in support of him and his fight for justice.
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But who exactly wasn't guilty?
We won't know for a very long time.

What is clear is that by the time we do, their careers will have been destroyed long ago regardless of the legal out come.

Look up the case of Jörg Kachelmann, for instance, he got a "not guilty" and the accusing woman is being investigated by the prosecution. But of course his business has been destroyed years ago.

Similar outcome, though perhaps a bit less extreme, in the case of former IMF director Dominique Strauss-Kahn.

So yes, until the prosecution has reached at least a minimum threshold of certainty everybody involved should remain anonymous.
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Hollywood loves a comeback story, and recent Oscar nominee Mel Gibson is proof enough that they are happy to forgive and forget.

That's a good point, but from the offense perspective it's apples and oranges.
Gibson (to this point) has not been accused of any sort of sex crimes. The actions of Weinstein and Spacey are simply vile and criminal in nature. I suspect these allegations have only scratched the surface as to what has really been going on. I will also be curious to see how US authorities and the media outlets react in the coming weeks. Frequently things like this tend to get buried by both (e.g. Jimmy Savile).
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