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Clearly there is something more going on...
I completely agree. Every so often we get some breadcrumbs on the abhorrent things which occur behind closed doors, but I suspect they are just the tip of the iceberg.
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But who exactly wasn't guilty?

Polansky? Cosby? I think they are by now proven guilty.

Trump? Not a witch hunt, we simply listened to his own words...

Weinstein? Honestly: even if some gold diggers now jump on the train, he has a massive trail of assaults and rapes behind him... it's if anything pretty bizarre that he managed to do this for so long.

Spacey? He admitted it although he "cannot recall the event" - which is complete bullshit. Nobody ever forgets that time you assaulted a guy...

The British minister quitting his job last week? Most def guilty.

I don't see the witch hunt in all of this, I think its simply time that some women find the opportunity to speak up and be heard. The video in your own first post on this thread shows how people weren't taken seriously before...
Well in the UK there were high profile cases against Freddie Starr, Jim Davidson, Cliff Richard and Jimmy Tarbuck which were dropped after the celebrities in question had been publicly named and the damage had already been done.

As for Kevin Spacey, I agree it doesn't look good, and it's highly likely he's been up to no good. But look at what's happened to him. He was publicly accused by Anthony Rapp, there's no way of proving or disproving what happened, it's one mans word against another. Why didn't Rapp go to the police and have this dealt with through the courts? Off of the back of an accusation Netflix have fired him and his name is being dragged through the mud. Where is the due process? Where is the fair trial? If he's found guilty, then he deserves the appropriate sentence. In this day and age though, people want instant results and won't be happy until he offs himself.

To return to the more general point I was originally making about witch hunt culture though, I posted this video on another thread a few months back which illustrates it perfectly. Just watch, all it takes is an accusation.
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Spacey is being written out of Ridley Scott’s All The Money In The World. Scott is adamant they will still make the deadline of December's release date as they are now reshooting those scenes with C. Plummer.

Kevin Spacey's hollywood career is over, it would seem.
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To return to the more general point I was originally making about witch hunt culture though, I posted this video on another thread a few months back which illustrates it perfectly. Just watch, all it takes is an accusation.
Well, no wonder really.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...n_3293846.html

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http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2016...eally-your-own

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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

Sexual harrassment is difficult to prove, costly and is demeaning to the victim. Look at Bill Cosby's case. He's a creepy jerk who took advantage of women for years yet Hollywood covered his a££ and milked the cash cow instead.

Maybe this is the only way to really get back at these kind of predators once and for all.
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Old 09.11.2017, 11:49
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

you wont, as long as there is a steady endless supply of silly young women / men willing to do anything for their 15 minutes of fame and cash there will be people all too eager to exploit them.
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

Turns out Mariah Carey allegedly harassed and humiliated her bodyguard.

My bet the outcome for her will be completely different from the alleged male perpetrators, her career (assuming she still has one) will continue almost as if nothing happened.
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In these (hopefully) days of equality I hope not. It's unacceptable behaviour be you male, female, transgender, etc.
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In these (hopefully) days of equality I hope not. It's unacceptable behaviour be you male, female, transgender, etc.
Nope. Not only will the perpetrator get away with it, there will always be an implied - or overt - suggestion that it was the man's fault anyway.

Men are never victims, remember? (Unless the perpetrator was a man, of course)
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Female teachers abusing teenage boys is on the increase, or maybe it is being brought to light more in recent years.

The amount of guys who make comments that the young lad should feel lucky to get that sort of attention, and do not not see it as abuse because it's a woman etc. etc. is really quite sickening. Abuse is abuse.

Maria Carey always struck me as a very creepy female.
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Maria Carey always struck me as a very creepy female.
I'm inclined to think that you must have lived your entire life in outer Mongolia to apply for a job working for her. Polite verdict - she's a demanding, perfectionist primadonna. Impolite version - she's batshit mental. That reputation has been in the public domain for what...30+years? Doesn't excuse her behaviour, but you don't put your head in the mouth of a lion to see if it bites.
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

Responsible journalism or....

Here Are All the Public Figures Who’ve Been Accused of Sexual Misconduct After Harvey Weinstein - TIME
https://apple.news/AqSRSH48wTZmeKrlITLwg_Q
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Spacey is being written out of Ridley Scott’s All The Money In The World. Scott is adamant they will still make the deadline of December's release date as they are now reshooting those scenes with C. Plummer.

Kevin Spacey's hollywood career is over, it would seem.
When you look at Spacey's upbringing it was pretty grim by all accounts. His father was a Nazi sympathiser who sexually abused and beat him and his siblings.

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Mr Fowler claimed his father, Thomas Geoffrey Fowler, was a fervent Nazi supporter and his home was brimming with Third Reich memorabilia in an interview with the Daily Mail back in 2004.

Spacey's brother, who is a Rod Stewart impersonator, said his father withdrew him from Cub Scouts because the leader of the group was Jewish.

“There was so much darkness in our home it was beyond belief. It was absolutely miserable,” the eldest son told the paper.

Mr Fowler claimed he was frequently whipped and raped by their father and alleged their sister Julie was also subject to beatings before leaving home at the age of 18.

He said his brother Kevin tried to ignore what was going on at home by emotionally blocking stuff out and disconnecting.

He said: “Kevin tried to avoid what was going on by wrapping himself in an emotional bubble. He became very sly and smart.

"He was so determined to try to avoid the whippings that he just minded his Ps and Qs until there was nothing inside. He had no feelings.”
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The characters he tends to play are often psychopaths or sinister and evil. The amateur psych in me is thinking that he was probably always hiding in plain sight.
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I'm inclined to think that you must have lived your entire life in outer Mongolia to apply for a job working for her. Polite verdict - she's a demanding, perfectionist primadonna. Impolite version - she's batshit mental. That reputation has been in the public domain for what...30+years? Doesn't excuse her behaviour, but you don't put your head in the mouth of a lion to see if it bites.
...but it's Ok to wear a miniskirt and expect for the male population to not react...
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i find it so strange that the focus is so much on all famous victims.

what about the real victims: those that said no and now have no acting career while maybe very talented?
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i find it so strange that the focus is so much on all famous victims.

what about the real victims: those that said no and now have no acting career while maybe very talented?
I don't find it strange. These affairs always start beacuse one of the two parties is a celebrity. If neither of them is a celebrity, there is no story. It's about muck racking, not stamping out appalling behavior.
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To return to the more general point I was originally making about witch hunt culture though, I posted this video on another thread a few months back which illustrates it perfectly. Just watch, all it takes is an accusation.
I'm not happy with the witch hunt culture either. The internet age is slowly substituting "like" for "true".

Next stop, mob rule in real time with sidebars containing advertising.
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I'm not happy with the witch hunt culture either. The internet age is slowly substituting "like" for "true".

Next stop, mob rule in real time with sidebars containing advertising.
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When you look at Spacey's upbringing it was pretty grim by all accounts. His father was a Nazi sympathiser who sexually abused and beat him and his siblings.
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Other people with shitty childhoods *do* managed to grow up and not be rapists, sexual abusers, or otherwise torture small mammals.
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I don't find it strange. These affairs always start beacuse one of the two parties is a celebrity. If neither of them is a celebrity, there is no story. It's about muck racking, not stamping out appalling behavior.
Affairs?

Or

"... me or you'll never work in this town again."? Then meet a wall of silence, no corroborating witness, threats of legal action, loss of job and (being America) loss of health insurance, ridicule (Corey Feldman etc), ...
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