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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

The 2 Corey's may have been a tad more credible if they hadn't snorted millions of $$$ up their noses and ended up broke.
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Old 10.11.2017, 09:27
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

Accusations coming thick and fast.

Steven Seagal
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41936741

Louis CK (whoever he is)
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41936594

Roy Moore
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41932166
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Other people with shitty childhoods *do* managed to grow up and not be rapists, sexual abusers, or otherwise torture small mammals.
Obviously, to understand is not to excuse.
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Not to mention long stem pipes, large shoe buckles, and pilgrim's hats.
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Accusations coming thick and fast.

Louis CK (whoever he is)
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41936594
Things are going OTT now.
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The 2 Corey's may have been a tad more credible if they hadn't snorted millions of $$$ up their noses and ended up broke.
These young male actors were drugged to the eyeballs when they were kids, easier to rape that way - drugged to get through it, then years of drugs to try to forget it. Nice that we blame them for being screwed up when no one believed them - Santa Barbara police did not nothing when Feldman went to them early 90s.

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Things are going OTT now.
Yep, remember the exact same was said about the Catholic Church until reports/investigations showed that emotional, sexual and physical abuse was endemic in Ireland and US.

The same will be said of Hollywood, as it is the perfect place to hide if you're a predator.. predators always bring their friends along too, the more powerful the friends, the easier to get away with it.

If this is OTT, good! Better out than in.
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

More of this please
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Old 10.11.2017, 12:14
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The same will be said of Hollywood, as it is the perfect place to hide if you're a predator.. predators always bring their friends along too, the more powerful the friends, the easier to get away with it.

If this is OTT, good! Better out than in.
There is an elephant in the room here, and that is all the actors and actresses who were perfectly happy to exchange sexual favours for parts. Those that saw it as a purely transactional method to succeed in a crowded and competitive market.

I don't say this to denigrate them or lesson the crime, but it could be that many more people are keeping quiet which would make the prevalence seem a lot lower than it really is.
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Old 10.11.2017, 12:18
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There is an elephant in the room here, and that is all the actors and actresses who were perfectly happy to exchange sexual favours for parts. Those that saw it as a purely transactional method to succeed in a crowded and competitive market.

I don't say this to denigrate them or lesson the crime, but it could be that many more people are keeping quiet which would make the seem a lot lower than it really is.
It's an unethical way to conduct business and should be banned. Period.
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Old 10.11.2017, 12:54
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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

Not just the rich and famous.

"Eighteen militiamen are on trial in the east of the Democratic Republic of Congo on charges of raping 46 children.

Some of the victims from the village of Kavumu were just 18 months old.

The men allegedly targeted young girls between 2013 and 2016 because a spiritual adviser told them that their blood would grant them supernatural protection."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41941365

Well, at least the excuse is different.
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Not just the rich and famous.

"Eighteen militiamen are on trial in the east of the Democratic Republic of Congo on charges of raping 46 children.

Some of the victims from the village of Kavumu were just 18 months old.

The men allegedly targeted young girls between 2013 and 2016 because a spiritual adviser told them that their blood would grant them supernatural protection."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41941365

Well, at least the excuse is different.
But that is different, just another day in the office for Africa, Im surprised it made the news.
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It's an unethical way to conduct business and should be banned. Period.
Ban Hollywood altogether.

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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

Weinstein and his fellow perverts simply used their power to manipulate.That they did that much is enough to put them away. What their victims did is not relevant.
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There is an elephant in the room here, and that is all the actors and actresses who were perfectly happy to exchange sexual favours for parts. Those that saw it as a purely transactional method to succeed in a crowded and competitive market.

I don't say this to denigrate them or lesson the crime, but it could be that many more people are keeping quiet which would make the prevalence seem a lot lower than it really is.
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There is an elephant in the room here, and that is all the actors and actresses who were perfectly happy to exchange sexual favours for parts. Those that saw it as a purely transactional method to succeed in a crowded and competitive market.

I don't say this to denigrate them or lesson the crime, but it could be that many more people are keeping quiet which would make the prevalence seem a lot lower than it really is.
The difference being that what you are describing is a voluntary (willing) sex act and what Weinstein is being charged for is sexual assault (unwilling). Big difference, in fact, considering one is legal and one isn't.

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The difference being that what you are describing is a voluntary (willing) sex act and what Weinstein is being charged for is sexual assault (unwilling). Big difference, in fact.
Thanks for that.

It's exactly why the reaction to the allegations against Louis CK are OTT.
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Thanks for that.

It's exactly why the reaction to the allegations against Louis CK are OTT.
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Are you saying that the alleged victims of Louis CK invited him to masturbate in front of them?
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More of this please
Why do you get such a kick out of this?

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Re: When You Wish Upon a Weinstein

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Are you saying that the alleged victims of Louis CK invited him to masturbate in front of them?
I'm saying the reaction is overblown.

He asked beforehand, and in case of a "No" he appears to have desisted.
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The difference being that what you are describing is a voluntary (willing) sex act and what Weinstein is being charged for is sexual assault (unwilling). Big difference, in fact, considering one is legal and one isn't.
This is probably going to come across totally wrong, but I'll give it a shot.

Part of me wonders...maybe the people claiming they were victims 20+ years ago and never spoke up until now have changed views of what "willing" was at the time? Let's take Rose McGowan as a random example.

Today she says she was raped by Weinstein. Terrible, awful stuff if true. But back when she was starting her career, it seems it was well-known you had to sleep with a powerful director or producer if you wanted a snowball's chance to get a part and a shot at stardom.

So she (and many others) did, even though she really, really didn't want to. She's kept silent until now, leaning on his arm and laughing and smiling like a good buddy, etc. while raking in the money. It was part and parcel of the job, if you will.

Now that so many women have spoken up, she realizes the system was rigged and now considers what happened to be rape.

Conversely, Weinstein thinks everything was "consensual" because he was the one with the power. The women knew what they had to do if they wanted a job.

Where's the legal line then? I'm not saying the women are making things up but I am saying from a courtroom standpoint it looks rather muddled.
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