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Re: London Met Police to stop investigating 'low level' crimes...

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The question is, why is the UK all of a sudden in the last decade or so experiencing such a huge surge in crimes out of proportion with the rest of European countries of its class? It is the most violent and I would even go as far as to say the most societally depraved country in Europe and it is steadily getting worse.
I think part of the calculation behind such statements as this one is a cry for help on the part of the police, which can make it easier for the present or a future government to increase spending without Joe Public screaming waste.
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The question is, why is the UK all of a sudden in the last decade or so experiencing such a huge surge in crimes out of proportion with the rest of European countries of its class? It is the most violent and I would even go as far as to say the most societally depraved country in Europe and it is steadily getting worse.
I think the rot set in when Gordon Brown dismantled the Yorkshire Wall in 2010. Prior to that clear act of sabotage by the outgoing prime minister, all of the worst sorts of hoodlums and delinquents were confined to their squalid reservations in Huddersfield and Halifax and Harrogate. Once the wall came down, the near-savages were free to roam the more civilised parts of Britain, terrifying the citizens with their war cry of "Ow Much!?!" and generally bringing down the tone of neighbourhoods from Cornwall to Cromer.

That's what I reckon went wrong.
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The question is, why is the UK all of a sudden in the last decade or so experiencing such a huge surge in crimes out of proportion with the rest of European countries of its class? It is the most violent and I would even go as far as to say the most societally depraved country in Europe and it is steadily getting worse.
Perhaps the crime reports do not always reflect actual crime. When it comes to the boom in historic sex abuse claims, I suspect there are a lot of opportunists in the mix who, rather like fake whiplash injury claimants, are taking advantage of a situation where sympathy for genuine victims is on their side, it's their word against another (or not, if the accused party is dead) and there's money to be made. Some firms are even publishing sex abuse compensation calculators.

Fantasists who falsely claim to be historic sex victims are 'being allowed to keep taxpayer-funded compensation'
We are surviving victims of a false accuser and wrongful conviction. Our family is in trauma. An open letter to the prime minister.
“We are surviving victims of a false accuser and wrongful conviction. Our family is in trauma” – The public speak
Jimmy Savile's niece's demand for compensation led to police fraud probe: Her own daughter says 'abuse' story is false... so how many more of the 211 claims for vast payments will police investigate?
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Perhaps the crime reports do not always reflect actual crime. When it comes to the boom in historic sex abuse claims, I suspect there are a lot of opportunists in the mix who, rather like fake whiplash injury claimants, are taking advantage of a situation where sympathy for genuine victims is on their side, it's their word against another (or not, if the accused party is dead) and there's money to be made. Some firms are even publishing sex abuse compensation calculators.

Fantasists who falsely claim to be historic sex victims are 'being allowed to keep taxpayer-funded compensation'
We are surviving victims of a false accuser and wrongful conviction. Our family is in trauma. An open letter to the prime minister.
“We are surviving victims of a false accuser and wrongful conviction. Our family is in trauma” – The public speak
Jimmy Savile's niece's demand for compensation led to police fraud probe: Her own daughter says 'abuse' story is false... so how many more of the 211 claims for vast payments will police investigate?
I am not really referring so specifically to any one area (historic sex abuse is just one part), I am speaking as a whole.

But yeah, there is no doubt that the current system of being able to fabricate things willy-nilly and then have them automatically exhaustively investigated and even worse have the suspects named without evidence is just ridiculous.
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Re: London Met Police to stop investigating 'low level' crimes...

The Telegraph: Police forces have to prioritise crime

"... the report from Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC) into the effectiveness of policing in general... shows that the changing nature of policing is having a significant impact on the ability of forces to cope. In particular, the massive increase in sexual abuse cases, historic offences and reported domestic assault is overwhelming the investigative capacity of many forces.

Rightly or wrongly, these used to be much lower priorities; now they are near the top. The police have responded to greater popular expectations for these crimes to be dealt with. But this comes at a cost, which is that other offenders get away with it because there are too few detectives
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Re: London Met Police to stop investigating 'low level' crimes...

There are two things to consider here.

Firstly, the UK is on the whole a peaceful place, but there are historical issues that also make it preferable for certain types of violent crime. The prosperity of London made it a target for organised crime.

secondly, consider the historic lack of empathy for society's poorest means that there were large sections of society that lived in areas where the police simply didnt care that much. Think of council estates, where crime is a daily occurence and part and parcel of life.

Look also at the drinking and football culture. Now, neither on its own is particularly toxic, but the brits have a rather unique way to combine them and bring out the worst of both. I will wager the level of domestic violence is influenced by alcohol. I would also wager that the large communities in poverty made it much easier for perverts and predators to groom and assault.

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There are two things to consider here.

Firstly, the UK is on the whole a peaceful place, but there are historical issues that also make it preferable for certain types of violent crime. The prosperity of London made it a target for organised crime.

secondly, consider the historic lack of empathy for society's poorest means that there were large sections of society that lived in areas where the police simply didnt care that much. Think of council estates, where crime is a daily occurence and part and parcel of life.

Look also at the drinking and football culture. Now, neither on its own is particularly toxic, but the brits have a rather unique way to combine them and bring out the worst of both. I will wager the level of domestic violence is influenced by alcohol. I would also wager that the large communities in poverty made it much easier for perverts and predators to groom and assault.
  • The historic lack of empathy for society's poorest
  • Think of council estates

Somehow these two bullets do not fit together, countries that do not care about their poorest do not provide them with community housing.

One issue certainly is that the residents of some council estates do not have any respect or pride in their homes; consequently these estates quickly become rundown and a centre for all sorts of unpleasant and criminal activities.

I am not sure alcohol is a major factor when drugs are so widely and cheaply available plus there is a substantial underclass who are frustrated by their social, physical or mental problems and so behave irrationally?

Certainly it is easier to list problems than to find solutions
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  • The historic lack of empathy for society's poorest
  • Think of council estates
I immediately thought the same, but a moment's contemplation reminded me of the vast, unserved council estates situated at the outside edges of bleak connurbations, where police rarely venture and yobboes make the inhabitants' lives a misery.

Many of them were built with the best of intentions at a time of prosperity and optimism for the future, but have been largely neglected over time, used as dumping grounds for 'difficult' families and left to the ravages of the free market as windy, rubbish strewn shopping centres are boarded up and the buses no longer stop there.

So yeah, despite the apparent contradiction, I think J2488 has a point.
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I forsee a future of semi-lawlessness for the UK unless something truly dramatic happens to change it.
It is frightening, isn't it? Just observing people's willingness to break things for no other reason than being bored is something that I cannot understand. When my cousin from the UK visited, she repeatedly remarked how "you couldn't have that back home, someone would break/steal it right away".

And yet, I am seeing a rise of anti-social behaviour here too: people just dumping their rubbish wherever; smashing up tram stops; kicking and throwing about bikes that are tied up in front of buildings (and of course just stealing them, but that has been going on for years...); destroying things that are put up for the entertainment or enjoyment of all; intentionally smashing up glass bottles where people walk/sit/cycle; blasting loud music from a car (often modified to be extra noisy) on a building's visitor parking in the middle of the night for several minutes before you leave by accelerating like crazy in low gear; finding used nappies stuffed into already overflowing public bin containers (yep, I am serious); spitting on the ground right in front of another person...

Meanwhile, one of my neighbours got a court summons for disposing of her cat litter bags in the Robidog bins while walking her dog. She told me about this the other day, understandably outraged, as she had been told by some unnamed entity that what she did was perfectly acceptable and made sense from a waste disposal perspective. She was accused of illegally disposing of here rubbish and had to justify herself in front of a court. So somebody a) watched her over a certain time, b) either knew or found out who she was, and c) made a formal complaint. Wow, who needs CCTV when you have the neighbourhood Stasi? I can see how the police would politely decline to look into a case like that, but how do you make an insurance claim for your broken stuff if you don't have a police report? To be fair, I don't know how home insurance works in the UK, in Switzerland, the GBP 50 mark is well below the CHF 200 own liability you have on claims here.

I wonder if people don't care or just feel disconnected from their surroundings? Petty theft is probably often drug-related but negatively impacting your environment with your behaviour in other small ways really cannot be "excused". Does it not bother folk to have their homes and surroundings looking like a rubbish tip? Is it a case of the broken windows theory? Also, they've set the mark at fifty quid, is that going to be a starter value or will that gradually increase?
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It is frightening, isn't it? Just observing people's willingness to break things for no other reason than being bored is something that I cannot understand. When my cousin from the UK visited, she repeatedly remarked how "you couldn't have that back home, someone would break/steal it right away".

And yet, I am seeing a rise of anti-social behaviour here too: people just dumping their rubbish wherever; smashing up tram stops; kicking and throwing about bikes that are tied up in front of buildings (and of course just stealing them, but that has been going on for years...); destroying things that are put up for the entertainment or enjoyment of all; intentionally smashing up glass bottles where people walk/sit/cycle; blasting loud music from a car (often modified to be extra noisy) on a building's visitor parking in the middle of the night for several minutes before you leave by accelerating like crazy in low gear; finding used nappies stuffed into already overflowing public bin containers (yep, I am serious); spitting on the ground right in front of another person...

Meanwhile, one of my neighbours got a court summons for disposing of her cat litter bags in the Robidog bins while walking her dog. She told me about this the other day, understandably outraged, as she had been told by some unnamed entity that what she did was perfectly acceptable and made sense from a waste disposal perspective. She was accused of illegally disposing of here rubbish and had to justify herself in front of a court. So somebody a) watched her over a certain time, b) either knew or found out who she was, and c) made a formal complaint. Wow, who needs CCTV when you have the neighbourhood Stasi? I can see how the police would politely decline to look into a case like that, but how do you make an insurance claim for your broken stuff if you don't have a police report? To be fair, I don't know how home insurance works in the UK, in Switzerland, the GBP 50 mark is well below the CHF 200 own liability you have on claims here.

I wonder if people don't care or just feel disconnected from their surroundings? Petty theft is probably often drug-related but negatively impacting your environment with your behaviour in other small ways really cannot be "excused". Does it not bother folk to have their homes and surroundings looking like a rubbish tip? Is it a case of the broken windows theory? Also, they've set the mark at fifty quid, is that going to be a starter value or will that gradually increase?
I mean just because they won't investigate it doesn't mean they wouldn't record the details and be able to generate a police report for insurance purposes.
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Re: London Met Police to stop investigating 'low level' crimes...

In my experience, people only tend to really take pride in their neighbourhood as long as they feel a real part of it.


People who own property tend to look after it much better then those who rent. People who own a house in a neighbourhood have made a long term commitment to that neighbourhood - so they feel personally invested in it, and look after it.


Compare that to a council estate (or its equivelent here), where people are shoved in those homes by an authority because its the only place to put them, and they are then out of sight and out of mind.


They never really feel part of the neighbourhood since they know they are there temporarily, and only because there is nowhere else they can be.


Theyre not the least bit invested in the neighbourhood - so tend not to look after it as well.


This is very much one of the pitfally of having a renting society. People dont look after what isnt theirs as well as they do look after what is theirs.
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In my experience, people only tend to really take pride in their neighbourhood as long as they feel a real part of it.


People who own property tend to look after it much better then those who rent. People who own a house in a neighbourhood have made a long term commitment to that neighbourhood - so they feel personally invested in it, and look after it.


Compare that to a council estate (or its equivelent here), where people are shoved in those homes by an authority because its the only place to put them, and they are then out of sight and out of mind.


They never really feel part of the neighbourhood since they know they are there temporarily, and only because there is nowhere else they can be.


Theyre not the least bit invested in the neighbourhood - so tend not to look after it as well.


This is very much one of the pitfally of having a renting society. People dont look after what isnt theirs as well as they do look after what is theirs.
The Right to Buy scheme is a policy in the United Kingdom which gives secure tenants of councils and some housing associations the legal right to buy, at a large discount, the council house they are living in.

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guess that depends on the village / town / city, never seen so many police as when the vending machine at the train station got smashed / robbed in our village, was like a murder scene, all taped off, vans etc
In Zurich, they don't care at all. I had to really put the pressure on to get a police report out of the police that my father in law wanted after his wallet was stolen and they did locate it ( emptied of cash) after a few visits by me and charged a fortune to get it back from lost and found.

Also, I knew plenty of ladies who had wallets/handbags stolen in Zurich city center and more than a few who had homes cleared out of valuables > Heads up, as we are coming into high season for home burglaries. crime is not unique to Britain.
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The Right to Buy scheme is a policy in the United Kingdom which gives secure tenants of councils and some housing associations the legal right to buy, at a large discount, the council house they are living in.

One of the many things that Maggie did "right"
tell that to all the families who can't get half decent housing because the council sold off all their housing and didn't invest in building new ones.
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It doesn't mean they are not going to arrest suspects, especially if they know who it is or the witness does.

If there is no witness or the crime did not involve violence i.e. robbery with threats. Then its a waste of resources and manpower to solve. Someone stole your wheelbarrow from your garden for example, then its kind of tough shit, but there is not enough money or officers to scour the neighbourhood asking questions so the time is better spent tracking down serious criminals.

Its only going to get worse post Brexit as there'll less job opportunties and money and probably lots of unemployed Bankers and wealth management specialists turning to crime to support their coke habits. Oh wait they do that already...
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If people baked more..

Who's sensibilities does this stunt supposed to protect?
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