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Old 20.06.2019, 22:03
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if only there were some kind of nuclear deal to ensure that iran didn't develop any nuclear weapons...
I know, itīs tragic innit?
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Old 20.06.2019, 23:54
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I know, itīs tragic innit?
The highest priority is getting voted in again; nothing like a good war to help that - from Falklands to Iraq.

Tragic also for the poor sods who are killed or injured!

Probably the first war to be instigated by a draft dodger!
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Old 21.06.2019, 09:39
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The highest priority is getting voted in again; nothing like a good war to help that - from Falklands to Iraq.

Tragic also for the poor sods who are killed or injured!

Probably the first war to be instigated by a draft dodger!
the first shots were almost fired:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pres...ry?id=63853570
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Old 21.06.2019, 10:02
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The highest priority is getting voted in again; nothing like a good war to help that - from Falklands to Iraq.

Tragic also for the poor sods who are killed or injured!

Probably the first war to be instigated by a draft dodger!
Once the body bags start piling up a war may well become counterproductive. And Iran isn't Iraq. I think it's far too early for the presidential election to be a positive reason to attack.

Nonetheless (remember GWB's axis of evil) they quite likely will attack, all the developments since the election point towards more confrontation, including moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv, accepting all-Jerusalem as Israel's capital, and selling billions in weapons to the KSA, Iran's direct competitor.
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Old 21.06.2019, 10:13
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Re: WW3 Again? Heck this is getting boring.

It isnīt Trumps war, it is the war of Bolton and Pompeo with the backing of the evangelicals, itīs the war of Kuschner and Tel-Aviv, itīs the Saudies being too cowardly to openly confront Iran, itīs Shiites against Sunni.
It is going to be war for all the wrong reasons and when the dust has settled we will be living in a very different world
Itīs a great war to distract from all the real problems, nobody will give a shit about CO2 when the middle east gets laminated.
I hate these warmongers with all my heart because when people start dying and starving they will be sitting in their mansions totally oblivious to the suffering going on in their name.
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Old 21.06.2019, 10:22
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Once the body bags start piling up a war may well become counterproductive. And Iran isn't Iraq. I think it's far too early for the presidential election to be a positive reason to attack.

Nonetheless (remember GWB's axis of evil) they quite likely will attack, all the developments since the election point towards more confrontation, including moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv, accepting all-Jerusalem as Israel's capital, and selling billions in weapons to the KSA, Iran's direct competitor.
Iran will probably go asymetrical, the news will be filled with crying children, dead civilians, bombed hospitals and schools, the more dead innocent the better, the more suffering for the news outlets of the world the more the US will be looked on as the evil empire it has become.
It is a war America can not win with any moral high ground.
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Old 21.06.2019, 10:30
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Iran will probably go asymetrical, the news will be filled with crying children, dead civilians, bombed hospitals and schools, the more dead innocent the better, the more suffering for the news outlets of the world the more the US will be looked on as the evil empire it has become.
It is a war America can not win with any moral high ground.
As Iraq discovered during the Iran - Iraq war that Iran is not an easy nut to crack. Iran sent waves of soldiers who had no problem with dying and welcomed martyrdom, it is estimated up to a total of half a million soldiers died.

Additionally Iran is the most technically competent Middle East nation so probably has some top weaponry.

US will be nuts if they weigh into another ME conflict that will drag on for many years without conclusion.
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Old 21.06.2019, 10:31
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The highest priority is getting voted in again; nothing like a good war to help that - from Falklands to Iraq.

Tragic also for the poor sods who are killed or injured!

Probably the first war to be instigated by a draft dodger!
Let's look at what we know so far:

1. Tankers attacked with limpet mine off UAE coast.
2. Tankers attached in transit off the coast of Iran. video & photographic evidence of limpet mines.
3. American Drone downed off the coast of Iran. Iran claims it was inside it's territorial waters, US disputes this.

Most experts think 1 & 2 done by Iran.

If so - Iran instigated the violence.
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Old 21.06.2019, 10:45
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As Iraq discovered during the Iran - Iraq war that Iran is not an easy nut to crack. Iran sent waves of soldiers who had no problem with dying and welcomed martyrdom, it is estimated up to a total of half a million soldiers died.

Additionally Iran is the most technically competent Middle East nation so probably has some top weaponry.

US will be nuts if they weigh into another ME conflict that will drag on for many years without conclusion.

I have seen the blood fountain in Therhan and can confirm they have this whole martyr thing going on.
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Old 21.06.2019, 10:55
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Let's look at what we know so far:

1. Tankers attacked with limpet mine off UAE coast.
2. Tankers attached in transit off the coast of Iran. video & photographic evidence of limpet mines.
3. American Drone downed off the coast of Iran. Iran claims it was inside it's territorial waters, US disputes this.

Most experts think 1 & 2 done by Iran.

If so - Iran instigated the violence.
"Think" is not the same as proof.

Shooting down a US drone operating in "stealth mode" confirms what I wrote about Iran's technical competence.
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Old 21.06.2019, 11:08
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"Think" is not the same as proof.

Shooting down a US drone operating in "stealth mode" confirms what I wrote about Iran's technical competence.
Agreed - there is no proof yet. I'll repeat my question: assume there is a proof Iran was behind 1,2 and/or 3. what would you do ?
Now reverse the question assume there is proof that Israel/Saudi Arabia/China/Narniya did it - what would you do ?
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Old 21.06.2019, 11:18
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Agreed - there is no proof yet. I'll repeat my question: assume there is a proof Iran was behind 1,2 and/or 3. what would you do ?
Now reverse the question assume there is proof that Israel/Saudi Arabia/China/Narniya did it - what would you do ?
Itīs called "The fog of war" disinformation and accusations and denial are a great weapon, you get to the point where you either believe what you are being told or you donīt.
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Iran will probably go asymetrical, the news will be filled with crying children, dead civilians, bombed hospitals and schools, the more dead innocent the better, the more suffering for the news outlets of the world the more the US will be looked on as the evil empire it has become.
It is a war America can not win with any moral high ground.
Depends. The western media can very sparingly and selectively report on ongoing conflicts... Think about how the media prepared the support before Libya was attacked to add legitimacy to the operation.
From UK parliamentary report:

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of mass human rights violations by Gaddafi regime troops. However, it uncovered evidence
that rebels in Benghazi made false claims and manufactured evidence. The investigation
concluded that much Western media coverage has from the outset presented a very one-sided
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and repeatedly suggesting that the regime’s security forces were unaccountably
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https://publications.parliament.uk/p...ff/119/119.pdf
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Old 21.06.2019, 12:25
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Itīs called "The fog of war" disinformation and accusations and denial are a great weapon, you get to the point where you either believe what you are being told or you donīt.
And you chose to ignore the videos & pictures, retort to antisemitic conspiracies & believe the Iranian side.
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Old 21.06.2019, 12:26
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Depends. The western media can very sparingly and selectively report on ongoing conflicts... Think about how the media prepared the support before Libya was attacked to add legitimacy to the operation.
From UK parliamentary report:


https://publications.parliament.uk/p...ff/119/119.pdf
The media is virtually irrelevant, twitter, instagramm and snapchat or whatever they are called even Facebook will spread the news soon enough.
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Old 21.06.2019, 14:32
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Agreed - there is no proof yet. I'll repeat my question: assume there is a proof Iran was behind 1,2 and/or 3. what would you do ?
Now reverse the question assume there is proof that Israel/Saudi Arabia/China/Narniya did it - what would you do ?
In either case I would call the country leader and demand financial reparation; after all it was an unmanned drone so not worth killing people over?
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Old 21.06.2019, 14:57
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In either case I would call the country leader and demand financial reparation; after all it was an unmanned drone so not worth killing people over?
Agreed.

That's why I think Iran is using brinkmanship - not going as far as as causing casualties, but indicating that they can.
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Old 21.06.2019, 17:07
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Agreed - there is no proof yet. I'll repeat my question: assume there is a proof Iran was behind 1,2 and/or 3. what would you do ?
Now reverse the question assume there is proof that Israel/Saudi Arabia/China/Narniya did it - what would you do ?
Good point
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Additionally Iran is the most technically competent Middle East nation so probably has some top weaponry.
Forgetting about Israel?
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Agreed - there is no proof yet. I'll repeat my question: assume there is a proof Iran was behind 1,2 and/or 3. what would you do ?
Now reverse the question assume there is proof that Israel/Saudi Arabia/China/Narniya did it - what would you do ?
Not that I would put past Israel something like that, but the speed at which EFers seemed to favour this possibility first, and not any other, is kind of disturbing.
I think anti-semitism is very well and alive. I can't see eye to eye with you on many things, but I have to give you that.

Anyways, there is no evidence for either variant. We're too small (small, but not unimportant, dare I say it) to know what on earth is going on there. When you think you know...usually the joke is on you (in general). Time will tell.

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If this is evidence , then all the evidence from gaza and west bank is enough to wipe israel of the map
Shall we hand you the nukes?

You'd be great in a peace-negotiator role....

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