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Old 14.11.2017, 17:14
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What's next ?? More threats of violence from your corner - you don't seem to be much good at this argumentation stuff...

Please stick to forum rules - lest the mods of this forum start to apply the rules consistently.
Actually I don't see this as a threat to you, just a question in response to a rather childish and non-thought provoking Robert Mugabe statement.

Some would say it's a response in frustration due to reducing this conversation to the level of one of the following options.

"Communist", "Socialist", "Zimbabwe", "Robert Mugabe", "Venezuela", "Soviet Union" or any similar idiotic term used when you know nothing about economics and have lost the discussion. Usually used when you run out of right wing economics catchphrases that have no foundation or meaning.

In addition I started using this forum in 2008, back then you'd have been ripped to shreds by the users AND the mods and it was a sign of witty intelligence to survive the initiation ceremony.

I have no doubt the mods of this forum have better things to do than listen to someone calling for mummies help as they were called a "plum"

Are you one of those millennium snowflake types? I feel the forum needs to know.
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Old 14.11.2017, 18:27
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Some would say it's a response in frustration due to reducing this conversation to the level of one of the following options.

"Communist", "Socialist", "Zimbabwe", "Robert Mugabe", "Venezuela", "Soviet Union" or any similar idiotic term used when you know nothing about economics and have lost the discussion. Usually used when you run out of right wing economics catchphrases that have no foundation or meaning.
Exactly. Thank you. Lets get this thread back on track. OK tax exiles lets see what you've got, in your Atlas Shrugged, Greenspan arsenal.

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Old 14.11.2017, 18:40
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Old 14.11.2017, 20:01
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Actually I don't see this as a threat to you,
It wasn't - that's why I wrote "What next ???" Toby has form on being quite the apologist for violence.

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just a question in response to a rather childish and non-thought provoking Robert Mugabe statement.
Then it seem you also missed the question - on whether or not he favours a kleptocracy since he favours legalised theft.

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Some would say it's a response in frustration due to reducing this conversation to the level of one of the following options.

"Communist", "Socialist", "Zimbabwe", "Robert Mugabe", "Venezuela", "Soviet Union" or any similar idiotic term used when you know nothing about economics and have lost the discussion.
It was just a question to establish consistency in his economic views - and to take that to it's logical conclusion - an African leader who leaned left wing enough to establish a kleptocracy.

On the other hand post up evidence of your many qualifications in economics.
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Usually used when you run out of right wing economics catchphrases that have no foundation or meaning.
Huh ??? What catchphrases ??


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In addition I started using this forum in 2008, back then you'd have been ripped to shreds by the users AND the mods and it was a sign of witty intelligence to survive the initiation ceremony.
Uh me 2 genius.

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I have no doubt the mods of this forum have better things to do than listen to someone calling for mummies help as they were called a "plum"

Are you one of those millennium snowflake types? I feel the forum needs to know.
Personal attacks are not permitted on the forum - since you've been around for nearly 10 years one would have thought that you might have learned that much when you weren't consuming so much economic theory
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Old 14.11.2017, 20:56
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It wasn't - that's why I wrote "What next ???" Toby has form on being quite the apologist for violence.

Then it seem you also missed the question - on whether or not he favours a kleptocracy since he favours legalised theft.

It was just a question to establish consistency in his economic views - and to take that to it's logical conclusion - an African leader who leaned left wing enough to establish a kleptocracy.

Personal attacks are not permitted on the forum - since you've been around for nearly 10 years one would have thought that you might have learned that much when you weren't consuming so much economic theory
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From the above it seems that you favour kleptocracy as a form of government. Do you agree with Robert Mugabe's policies by any chance?
As you want to continue with this little tête-à-tête, that you started btw. why don't you start a thread about how you like to try and upset my liberal left sensitive feelings.

I do take offence that you suggested I would in any way support Robert Mugabe, I found that to be a heinous slander. Especially when I was pointing out that we are all living under some sort of kleptocracy anyway.

.and FYI I have no apologies, to wishing violence towards racially, religiously intolerant people, whether they are of any particular race, creed, religious persuasion or sexual orientation or are Robert Mugabe. Sorry chuck.

Now can we get this thread back on track please.
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Old 15.11.2017, 00:16
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As you want to continue with this little tête-à-tête, that you started btw. why don't you start a thread about how you like to try and upset my liberal left sensitive feelings.
I just asked you questions about your philisophy - you chose to take offence. I don't consider you to be a liberal at all - you espouse policies of theft - which is surely contrary to any ideas involving liberty. You have a very extreme view - as witnessed by your statement here :

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It doesn't mean they are not going to arrest suspects, especially if they know who it is or the witness does.

If there is no witness or the crime did not involve violence i.e. robbery with threats. Then its a waste of resources and manpower to solve. Someone stole your wheelbarrow from your garden for example, then its kind of tough shit, but there is not enough money or officers to scour the neighbourhood asking questions so the time is better spent tracking down serious criminals...
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I do take offence that you suggested I would in any way support Robert Mugabe, I found that to be a heinous slander.
I didn't suggest - I asked - there is a difference - Mugabe wasn't always the dictator he eventually became - he started out as an apparently bright teacher - and took several degrees before he found Marxism. I should point out that I think there are several good ideas in Marxism (heavy penalisation of rent seekers) - even if the entire thing is an unsustainable and unworkable nonsense dressed up as SJW's dreams.

You might well agree with Mugabe's aggressive decolonization policies. You might even agree with his forcible eviction from the land of white farmers - I'm just asking - unbunch those panties.

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Especially when I was pointing out that we are all living under some sort of kleptocracy anyway.
Unless I missed some subtleties that was not your point - your point was that stealing - when legalised - is fine - and if we continue down that line of thinking your entire thread is that it is wrong that some are able to avoid being stolen from better than others. I asked you if you felt that kleptocracy was a good or reasonable form of government. Do you ?? If not what do you think is better ? If so how do you prevent the state from being rotten to the core - as in every Marxist example that has ever been tried.

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.and FYI I have no apologies, to wishing violence towards racially, religiously intolerant people, whether they are of any particular race, creed, religious persuasion or sexual orientation or are Robert Mugabe. Sorry chuck.

Now can we get this thread back on track please.
But you see the problem with the above I hope - I see you as intolerant of people's rights to property (for example) - so if I possessed a similar moral code to you (I do not) I'd be fine with bashing you.
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Old 15.11.2017, 09:12
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Exactly. Thank you. Lets get this thread back on track. OK tax exiles lets see what you've got, in your Atlas Shrugged, Greenspan arsenal.

The fatal flaw of neoliberalism: it's bad economics
Let's get this back on track with an article that has nothing to do with high/low tax economies or tax avoidance
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Old 15.11.2017, 09:14
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In addition I started using this forum in 2008, back then you'd have been ripped to shreds by the users AND the mods and it was a sign of witty intelligence to survive the initiation ceremony.
"The legend of EF". That also happens to be bullshit.
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Let's get this back on track with an article that has nothing to do with high/low tax economies or tax avoidance
What? Neoliberalism - privatise the profits and socalise the losses, forcing taxes to increase, lol.

But it has nothing at all to do with it. Yeah, right.
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Old 15.11.2017, 10:48
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I just asked you questions about your philisophy - you chose to take offence. I don't consider you to be a liberal at all - you espouse policies of theft - which is surely contrary to any ideas involving liberty. You have a very extreme view - as witnessed by your statement here :




I didn't suggest - I asked - there is a difference - Mugabe wasn't always the dictator he eventually became - he started out as an apparently bright teacher - and took several degrees before he found Marxism. I should point out that I think there are several good ideas in Marxism (heavy penalisation of rent seekers) - even if the entire thing is an unsustainable and unworkable nonsense dressed up as SJW's dreams.

You might well agree with Mugabe's aggressive decolonization policies. You might even agree with his forcible eviction from the land of white farmers - I'm just asking - unbunch those panties.


Unless I missed some subtleties that was not your point - your point was that stealing - when legalised - is fine - and if we continue down that line of thinking your entire thread is that it is wrong that some are able to avoid being stolen from better than others. I asked you if you felt that kleptocracy was a good or reasonable form of government. Do you ?? If not what do you think is better ? If so how do you prevent the state from being rotten to the core - as in every Marxist example that has ever been tried.



But you see the problem with the above I hope - I see you as intolerant of people's rights to property (for example) - so if I possessed a similar moral code to you (I do not) I'd be fine with bashing you.
Parnell, my point is stealing is not fine and people who are secreting cash away from the tax man and using offshore shell companies to launder it back to themselves are the ones who are stealing from society in general. Where you get the absurd idea that I endorse theft, unless you are stating that paying tax is in fact a theft by the state? The state that gives health care, social security, defense and all the other nescessary things that go along with a functioning society.
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Old 15.11.2017, 10:49
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What? Neoliberalism - privatise the profits and socalise the losses, forcing taxes to increase, lol.

But it has nothing at all to do with it. Yeah, right.
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Old 15.11.2017, 11:02
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What? Neoliberalism - privatise the profits and socalise the losses, forcing taxes to increase, lol.

But it has nothing at all to do with it. Yeah, right.
Well other than your extremely dubious definition of Neoliberalism (which typically results in tax reduction), what has it got to do with tax avoidance?
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Old 15.11.2017, 11:53
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Well other than your extremely dubious definition of Neoliberalism (which typically results in tax reduction), what has it got to do with tax avoidance?
Herd it off into a corner there, Loz, isolate it and pin it down.. so it has no relation to anything at all.. other than your argument, eh? For something that is anything but..

Okay *which typically results in tax reduction* dubious right back at you.
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Old 15.11.2017, 13:06
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Parnell, my point is stealing is not fine and people who are secreting cash away from the tax man and using offshore shell companies to launder it back to themselves are the ones who are stealing from society in general. Where you get the absurd idea that I endorse theft, unless you are stating that paying tax is in fact a theft by the state? The state that gives health care, social security, defense and all the other nescessary things that go along with a functioning society.
You have already conceded that tax is theft on the previous page of this thread.

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Society would benefit from the money that is being technically but legally stolen.
It would be very nice of you if you could deal with the questions asked - rather than engage in ranting and further personal abuse.thx.
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What? Neoliberalism - privatise the profits and socalise the losses, forcing taxes to increase, lol.

But it has nothing at all to do with it. Yeah, right.
The Banks should have never been saved & depositors should have accepted the risks they took holding cash.
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Old 15.11.2017, 13:38
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You have already conceded that tax is theft on the previous page of this thread.
This is kind of derailing the thread, to be honest. The point has been done to death. Do you think you are ready to move on now?
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Old 15.11.2017, 13:54
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This is kind of derailing the thread, to be honest.
In what way ? Asking a poster to explain a direct contradiction on their statements:
  1. Taxation is theft
  2. but taxation is legalised theft
  3. hence avoiding being stolen from legally is effectively stealing from society
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  • theft is bad
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Herd it off into a corner there, Loz, isolate it and pin it down.. so it has no relation to anything at all.. other than your argument, eh? For something that is anything but..

Okay *which typically results in tax reduction* dubious right back at you.
I'll make it easy for you.

From Neoliberalism..."During her tenure as Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher oversaw a number of neoliberal reforms including tax reduction, reforming exchange rates, deregulation and privatization."..."Early roots of neoliberalism were laid in the 1970s, during the Jimmy Carter administration, with deregulation of the trucking, banking, and airline industries. This trend continued into the 1980s, under the Reagan Administration, which included tax cuts, increased defense spending, financial deregulation and trade deficit expansion."

Now will you answer my question?
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I'll make it easy for you.

From Neoliberalism..."During her tenure as Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher oversaw a number of neoliberal reforms including tax reduction, reforming exchange rates, deregulation and privatization."..."Early roots of neoliberalism were laid in the 1970s, during the Jimmy Carter administration, with deregulation of the trucking, banking, and airline industries. This trend continued into the 1980s, under the Reagan Administration, which included tax cuts, increased defense spending, financial deregulation and trade deficit expansion."

Now will you answer my question?
There is a lot more to Neoliberalism then your little cut and paste attempt. Maybe you should start another thread just about that! But tax reforms and proliferation of offshore tax havens in direct response to wealth taxes and higher pay brackets as a result of more competitive market forces are part and parcel of the Neoliberal capitalist society, when these things go unchecked as they have done for so long and with multiple financial crises caused by the very people who espouse Neoliberal ideology and the knock on affect it has on the average person. Maybe you should invest in some literature that is not the Internet.

Parnell, please show me where I say tax is theft? Please! maybe I made a typo, but I would more likely assume your dyslexia is at fault.
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There is a lot more to Neoliberalism then your little cut and paste attempt. Maybe you should start another thread just about that! But tax reforms and proliferation of offshore tax havens in direct response to wealth taxes and higher pay brackets as a result of more competitive market forces are part and parcel of the Neoliberal capitalist society, when these things go unchecked as they have done for so long and with multiple financial crises caused by the very people who espouse Neoliberal ideology and the knock on affect it has on the average person. Maybe you should invest in some literature that is not the Internet.

Parnell, please show me where I say tax is theft? Please! maybe I made a typo, but I would more likely assume your dyslexia is at fault.
He already showed you here.

And you can pretend to know more than you do about Neoliberalism, but that shouldn't digress from the point that low taxes is a policy that goes hand in hand with Neoliberalism. I don't need to "invest in some literature" to fact check this.
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