[Prince] Harry and Meghan - Page 13

Jim2007 · #**241** 10.03.2021, 17:01

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	Thing is... they actually make money in normal times for the U.K. .... as opposed to the US president who costs America a fortune. It would be financially bad news for the U.K. to replace the monarchy with a president.

The thing is we have documented evidence of the royal family interfering in the democratic process and the operation of parliament and unlike the a president they are not accountably to anyone.

amogles · #**242** 10.03.2021, 17:41

	Quote:	terrifisch
	Not sure I agree here as there are many inconsistencies with their "authentic" living and concerns about the environment, and yet they chose to BUY/PURCHASE a home with 9 bedrooms/16 bathrooms? Forgot to mention the guest house and 5 acres of property Purchase being the operative word here as the Royal Family inherits estates but Meghan and Harry chose to purchase this one. That to me is disingenuous at best. PS ..to purchase this asset given the pandemic and then claim that they were "cut off" from Prince Charles financially? In short, in my view, they do not need this estate for their small family of four if they really cared about the environment.

There are different sides to inheriting. You may not necessarily be in love with a property just because you inherited it. As for the alleged number of bedrooms, we don't know how many of those are required by security personell, or as office space, or whatever.

Maybe they were planning to set up some sort of a business as Prince Charles did, and needed space for that?

Massa · #**243** 10.03.2021, 18:08

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Tom

You too can own the club chairs their butts are perched on if you have a mere USD$338 spare, from Walmart of all places apparently - though they're sold out right now

Darcy1 · #**244** 10.03.2021, 19:27

	Quote:	olygirl
	That’s it! Thanks! As for the British media, Piers Morgan is vile and should be fired.

He's gone lol!
Not sure how accurate the reports are,but apparently Meghan complained to ITV herself regarding Morgan and his comments about her.
I can't stand the woman myself,but I am delighted that Piers Morgan has left GMB. It might actually be watchable now.

#**245** 10.03.2021, 20:43

	Quote:	amogles
	There are different sides to inheriting. You may not necessarily be in love with a property just because you inherited it. As for the alleged number of bedrooms, we don't know how many of those are required by security personell, or as office space, or whatever. Maybe they were planning to set up some sort of a business as Prince Charles did, and needed space for that?

Hmmm..It wasn't the bedrooms which caught my eye but the 13 bathrooms and 6 half baths which seem a bit excessive for a couple who claim that they are very concerned about the environment. It also is equipped with a 5 car garage, movie theatre, games room, wine cellar and massage room/spa.

https://www.sfgate.com/realestate/ar...y-16009761.php

RufusB · #**246** 10.03.2021, 22:00

	Quote:	LuganoPirate
	One thing that is bugging me though, is that if Meghan were suicidal, isn't it more likely she'd turn to her husband, who by his own admission sought counseling, and who is patron of several mental health charities, for advice?

It can be hardest to go to those who know you best.

I think Meghan has acted out of self-preservation and I don't blame her. And I'll wager that a fair few of us would like a house with its own movie theatre if we had the cash.

RufusB · #**247** 10.03.2021, 22:03

	Quote:	Darcy1
	He's gone lol! Not sure how accurate the reports are,but apparently Meghan complained to ITV herself regarding Morgan and his comments about her. I can't stand the woman myself,but I am delighted that Piers Morgan has left GMB. It might actually be watchable now.

She complained, quite rightly, that his disparaging remarks about mental health may adversely affect others who are suffering.

Morgan basically did that thing that some blokes have done since time immemorial and told a woman that what she actually meant/said/felt was something other than what she actually said/meant/ experienced. He is a total thundercnut.

Axa · #**248** 10.03.2021, 22:12

	Quote:	terrifisch
	Hmmm..It wasn't the bedrooms which caught my eye but the 13 bathrooms and 6 half baths which seem a bit excessive for a couple who claim that they are very concerned about the environment. It also is equipped with a 5 car garage, movie theatre, games room, wine cellar and massage room/spa. https://www.sfgate.com/realestate/ar...y-16009761.php

Everyone sees different things, for example a 10 million rebate (~40%)

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	Variety revealed that a $9.5 million dollar mortgage was taken out as part of the deal. It was also reported that the seller, Russian businessman Sergey Grishin, acquired the estate in 2009 for $25.3 million and had attempted to sell it many times over the past decade before finally accepting a $10 million-plus financial loss.

#**249** 10.03.2021, 22:22

	Quote:	RufusB
	It can be hardest to go to those who know you best. I think Meghan has acted out of self-preservation and I don't blame her. And I'll wager that a fair few of us would like a house with its own movie theatre if we had the cash.

Hehe... Except, they don't have the cash. They took out a USD 9 million dollar mortgage to pay for the house. And the irony is, were it not for Harry's lineage, the two of them in another lifetime would never be able to afford their new found extravagant lifestyle. Meghan was a B+ level actress at best (and I am being generous here!) and Harry while engaging and personable - is not the sharpest tool in the shed!

And yet, they now complain how they were treated but are essentially, leveraging off their former roles in the Royal family to afford their new "authentic" life in the US. That to me is very funny! But hey, what do I know? No one would give a toss about these two were it not for Harry's link to the "Family".

RufusB · #**250** 10.03.2021, 22:32

	Quote:	terrifisch
	Hehe... Except, they don't have the cash. They took out a USD 9 million dollar mortgage to pay for the house. And the irony is, were it not for Harry's lineage, the two of them in another lifetime would never be able to afford their new found extravagant lifestyle. Meghan was a B+ level actress at best (and I am being generous here!) and Harry while engaging and personable - is not the sharpest tool in the shed! And yet, they now complain how they were treated but are essentially, leveraging off their former roles in the Royal family to afford their new "authentic" life in the US. That to me is very funny! But hey, what do I know? No one would give a toss about these two were it not for Harry's link to the "Family".

His mum left him millions in trust. She'll have a fair few million from her acting. They're worth something like 40 million between them. They can probably afford the mortgage.

I don't get the fascination with them tbh. Nor the vitriol surrounding them. Folk have always sold their stories to whatever press would have them.

#**251** 10.03.2021, 23:07

	Quote:	RufusB
	His mum left him millions in trust. She'll have a fair few million from her acting. They're worth something like 40 million between them. They can probably afford the mortgage. I don't get the fascination with them tbh. Nor the vitriol surrounding them. Folk have always sold their stories to whatever press would have them.

I think Harry was left GPB 30 million in the trust but who knows what remains of that trust. I would be surprised if MM had USD $300,000 in savings (again, I am being generous here as "earnings" are far different than savings). They can more than afford the mortgage as they "sold out" so to speak to Netflix.

I have a really hard time with Royals/celebrities moaning and then flying their private jets to Davos or some global warming conference - and buying a large estate during a pandemic. But they care about "real" people and problems - except they don't - really - only when it suits them to care.

Meghan and Harry can now choose when it "suits" (pardon the pun) them to work and support a cause and when it does not. The are now the architects of their own life - but they would NEVER have had this lifestyle were it not for Harry's title/link to the Royal Family.

amogles · #**252** 11.03.2021, 10:15

	Quote:	terrifisch
	Hmmm..It wasn't the bedrooms which caught my eye but the 13 bathrooms and 6 half baths which seem a bit excessive for a couple who claim that they are very concerned about the environment. It also is equipped with a 5 car garage, movie theatre, games room, wine cellar and massage room/spa. https://www.sfgate.com/realestate/ar...y-16009761.php

I wonder how many bathrooms Al Gore has.

The celebrity environment crowd has a poor track record on walking the talk.

LuganoPirate · #**253** 11.03.2021, 10:59

	Quote:	RufusB
	It can be hardest to go to those who know you best.

I fully accept that, but if she did discuss it with courtiers, as she claims, it's inconceivable they would not have reported this up the chain of command, and perhaps to Harry himself.

And then, she says she shared everything with Harry, but not this???

ennui · #**254** 11.03.2021, 11:19

	Quote:	LuganoPirate
	I fully accept that, but if she did discuss it with courtiers, as she claims, it's inconceivable they would not have reported this up the chain of command, and perhaps to Harry himself. And then, she says she shared everything with Harry, but not this???

I believe it‘s conceivable that it was not taken seriously, dismissed because of the optics. Just another hysterical American. Also, despite being patrons of mental health charities, no one wants to see the patrons with mental illnesses.... suggests treatment doesn‘t work.

You may think this is ridiculous, and it is, but it is the unfortunate case that mental illnesses are treated as such.

I can see that. But at the same time, I also wonder why Harry did not advocate for her, if he was informed. But since we don‘t know the inner workings of their relationship- we just don‘t know.

RufusB · #**255** 11.03.2021, 11:20

	Quote:	LuganoPirate
	I fully accept that, but if she did discuss it with courtiers, as she claims, it's inconceivable they would not have reported this up the chain of command, and perhaps to Harry himself. And then, she says she shared everything with Harry, but not this???

HR works for the company, not the employee.

Apathy/arse covering plus confidentiality and... it doesn't surprise me at all. I imagine a high ranking senior aide will be quietly pensioned off sometime soon for making these judgements.

It's immoral, certainly, cruel, definitely, to ignore someone's mental pain but, sadly, not inconceivable.

Crossed with Ennui's post. I agree, totally. Mental health is only just being taking properly seriously in the UK - understanding that someone can appear to be presenting totally "as normal for them" but is actually dying inside, barely holding on is not something most are equipped for.

I've said it before. Meghan's "crime" seems that she is the perfect storm of not-white, not British, not younger than Harry, had a life before meeting him and is, shock horror, bright, articulate, perfectly poised and charming. She also clearly is a fully formed adult with her own views and opinions.

Folk clearly like their princesses teenage, virginal, isolated and biddable. Because that worked out really well in the past.

amogles · #**256** 11.03.2021, 11:26

	Quote:	ennui
	Also, despite being patrons of mental health charities, no one wants to see the patrons with mental illnesses.... suggests treatment doesn‘t work.

I think on the contrary, a patron of such an institution should be aware of the stigma and should be interested in taking a stance against that stigma.

So standing up and coming out and saying, "look, it can happen to any of us, and it's nothing to be ashamed of", would surely come across as a great moment of leadership with the potential to change public opinion.

RufusB · #**257** 11.03.2021, 11:32

	Quote:	amogles
	I think on the contrary, a patron of such an institution should be aware of the stigma and should be interested in taking a stance against that stigma. So standing up and coming out and saying, "look, it can happen to any of us, and it's nothing to be ashamed of", would surely come across as a great moment of leadership with the potential to change public opinion.

In theory, absolutely. But as Ennui said, it's hell on the optics. It doesn't fit the narrative at all.

Axa · #**258** 11.03.2021, 11:47

The FT is always there to remind us about the important stuff: money

I felt intrigued by that comment about living in the 1990s.

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	Oprah interview shows broadcast TV can still make a splash in streaming era Oprah Winfrey this week pulled off a feat rarely seen in the entertainment business during the streaming era: persuading millions of people to watch a programme live on television. The media mogul’s dramatic interview with Meghan Markle and Prince Harry attracted an average of 17.1m viewers in the US, the largest primetime audience for any entertainment special in more than a year. In a media landscape now dominated by Netflix and YouTube, it also poses a broader question about why the interview was not streamed on one of the biggest platforms, but instead aired via broadcast television on CBS. "The monoculture moment [of the Winfrey interview] was very 1990s,” said one media executive. “Oprah, the royals, CBS, it all felt very vintage”. But some analysts dismissed the success of the programme as a one-off, with traditional television in long-term decline. As audiences have scattered across an expanding choice of streaming platforms, watching their favourite shows days or weeks after they air, these big event-style television moments have dwindled in frequency.

https://www.ft.com/content/77903041-...0-14c07e0945f1

LuganoPirate · #**259** 11.03.2021, 12:29

	Quote:	amogles
	I think on the contrary, a patron of such an institution should be aware of the stigma and should be interested in taking a stance against that stigma. So standing up and coming out and saying, "look, it can happen to any of us, and it's nothing to be ashamed of", would surely come across as a great moment of leadership with the potential to change public opinion.

Yes, and not forgetting Harry himself admitting he needed help - so no stigma would have been attached to her. And had she admitted she could not cope she would have been given help, and she would have received much sympathy.

The only thing she could not cope with was not being the queen bee and having to defer to Kate in the royal pecking order.

ennui · #**260** 11.03.2021, 12:43

	Quote:	amogles
	I think on the contrary, a patron of such an institution should be aware of the stigma and should be interested in taking a stance against that stigma. So standing up and coming out and saying, "look, it can happen to any of us, and it's nothing to be ashamed of", would surely come across as a great moment of leadership with the potential to change public opinion.

You‘d think that. The reality is often different, still.