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The lack of sympathy and empathy towards this woman is astonishing. I have to conclude that many of you commenting have either been truly convinced by the media bias (of which there are many examples, see, for instance, avocados Kate and Meghan) or have never had a day's mental health blip in your lives and therefore simply do not understand. If it is the latter, then lucky you.

IMO a lot of the judgement on this thread is the equivalent of telling a victim of assault that she was asking for it because of the clothes she was wearing.
To me it looks more like the old story about people not accepting their prescribed place in social hierarchies...
Many here seem to believe she should have kept her head down. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and their world views, however, that has nothing to do with this Meghan person. I can't comment on why she went public with everything as it is futile. I'm not her, nor do I like to tell people what to do with their lives and exactly the amount of dignity they're entitled to.
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Meghan has led us on to believe she is a strong empowering woman who takes charge of her life. If she had attacked the media for causing her mental health to decline, I would have understood. However, she attacked Harry's family in public and that's where I draw the line.

The speed of changes in her life since meeting Harry has been dizzying. I think she thought she could bend them for the greater good but bit off more than she could chew. Adding the hormones caused by pregnancy, it is understandable that she felt overwhelmed.

I understand all of that. However, you just don't attack your husband's family in an interview about a remark on skin colour without trying to resolve the situation within the family first. That's where I draw the line.®

I also take offence to those who question a person's experience with mental health when opposing Meghan. One thing has NOTHING to do with the other.
We don't know what the comment was. I imagine it wasn't mild. We don't know for sure what was said. But again, it's not always possible to react. Folk seem to forger the third, most common, reaction to verbal/physical attack: freezing. Not flight or fight.

Meghan was vilified in the press for putting her own hand on her own baby bump. She was "defensive". Kate, however was maternal and protective when pictured doing the same thing. The same gesture I imagine every pregnant woman ever has made. Loads more egs. M and H are fighting back against media bias and folk who have believed it. The RF was just in the way.

Feel free to draw your line wherever you wish. Mine is clearly in a different place.

Look at your language: M "led us on", the tease. Strong empowered take charge women can also be subject to declines in their mental health. You seem to be suggesting that as she never presented as vulnerable, it's weird that she do so now. There is such a thing as pride, putting a brave face on it, and not letting the bullies see you cry. I believe that is how she coped.

You say that a person's mH experience is nothing to do with opposing Meghan. That one has nothing to do with the other. However she has been accused of lying about it. Of exaggerating. Her MH and the opposition to her seem very firmly intertwined to me.

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Actually, I believe both Meghan and Harry tried to attack the media with little support from the Royal family. That’s where I think things started to break down, and from there it just exacerbated.

I don’t follow British media but I looked at some of the media reports about Meghan, and there is definitely a racial bias that is inappropriate. Meghan is “straight out of Compton?” Seriously?

Everyone approaches their mental health in their own way. I find it offensive when people infer she’s lying because they would not react in the same way. Of course we don’t react in the same way. One person’s experience absolutely impacts the frame with which they view another’s. That does not invalidate anyone’s experience, however.

This, 1000%.

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I’d never have lack of sympathy for someone with mental health issues, I’ve had them myself. But something doesn’t ring true here. Harry has been shouting about supporting mental for a while now, he created heads together with William and Kate, yet he was embarrassed???

Personally, if she told Harry, I think it was Harry’s responsibility to get her a Psych appointment. As he’s done it for himself I find it very puzzling that he could not do it for his wife.

Had you stopped at "myself", fair enough. Then you added the "but".

I understand, but...

That's awful, but...

You may think that, but...

I'm sorry you feel I insulted you but what I think you'll find I meant was...

That "but" instantly undermines what went before it. What is "true"? Which truth? Which valid experience ?

Mental Health issues, discussions are cripplingly embarrassing for many. Harry grew up in an environment that expected him, at 9, to go to his mum's funeral and be filmed doing so for a worldwide audience. After his parents had split up and every move they made documented by press. I imagine he was told not to cry too much and to be a big strong man. He's been in the army. Not an environment traditionally geared towards difference of any kind. Fighting through that condutioning, both military and Royal, would likely be a difficult task in itself.


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To me it looks more like the old story about people not accepting their prescribed place in social hierarchies...
Many here seem to believe she should have kept her head down. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and their world views, however, that has nothing to do with this Meghan person. I can't comment on why she went public with everything as it is futile. I'm not her, nor do I like to tell people what to do with their lives and exactly the amount of dignity they're entitled to.

Hard agree.

Victim blaming at its "finest".
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Old 12.03.2021, 10:54
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I should be more surprised that anyone believes a word that was said in that interview. The best bit was when she compared herself to the The Little Mermaid, how she fell in love with a prince and lost her voice, but has now found it again
I wish this comment was surprising. Metaphor not your strong suit?
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Old 12.03.2021, 12:04
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I wish this comment was surprising. Metaphor not your strong suit?
A metaphor, so hilarious, so ridiculous and so lacking in self-awareness! Can't wait for the daughter to born, I wonder if they'll name her Ariel
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A metaphor, so hilarious, so ridiculous and so lacking in self-awareness! Can't wait for the daughter to born, I wonder if they'll name her Ariel
It seemed pretty apt to me.

She seems very self aware to me.
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Maybe I'm not tuned into American humour but I didn't find that very funny
Stephen Colbert is generally not exactly funny IMHO. He is generally too engrained in the topics he talks about to remember to be witty.

But Americans seem to love him.
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Well that's that then, straight from the horses mouth.
You need to have your glasses checked. That was Prince William, not Princess Anne.
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Old 12.03.2021, 13:05
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions and their world views,
I think when it comes to the Royal Family, there is a clear exception. And whereas they no doubt hold opinions privately, just as anyone else does, they are held to the standard that they should in no way comment on these opinions publically or let their opinions show in their actions.
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I think when it comes to the Royal Family, there is a clear exception. And whereas they no doubt hold opinions privately, just as anyone else does, they are held to the standard that they should in no way comment on these opinions publically or let their opinions show in their actions.
... or indeed their emotions.
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The FT is always there to remind us about the important stuff: money I felt intrigued by that comment about living in the 1990s.
There is one other category of live TV content that gets guarded with great jealousy, and that is live sports.

In other words, something that a lot of people get very emotional about but that doesn't really change anything in the bigger picture of things.

Methinks this parallel is more than coincidental.
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Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan

In the video below (at 1 min 40 secs) an ITV reporter (Chris Ship, Royal Editor, ITV News) says:

"Meghan wanted her interview to spark a debate in this country about race".

If Meghan and Harry were courting Oprah by inviting her to the wedding, I wonder at what point Meghan had started having that intention about the interview's message and whether that has any implications regarding Meghan and Harry's allegations of racism against the royal family.

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In the video below (at 1 min 40 secs) an ITV reporter (Chris Ship, Royal Editor, ITV News) says:

"Meghan wanted her interview to spark a debate in this country about race".
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Is that necessarily a bad thing?
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Actually, I believe both Meghan and Harry tried to attack the media with little support from the Royal family. Thatís where I think things started to break down, and from there it just exacerbated.

I donít follow British media but I looked at some of the media reports about Meghan, and there is definitely a racial bias that is inappropriate. Meghan is ďstraight out of Compton?Ē Seriously?

Everyone approaches their mental health in their own way. I find it offensive when people infer sheís lying because they would not react in the same way. Of course we donít react in the same way. One personís experience absolutely impacts the frame with which they view anotherís. That does not invalidate anyoneís experience, however.
I find it offensive when an entire group of people are accused of racism but the accuser refuses to name the person even though they know who it is. That kind of action is despicable, it tars an entire group with a terrible slur intentionally.
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I find it offensive when an entire group of people are accused of racism but the accuser refuses to name the person even though they know who it is. That kind of action is despicable, it tars an entire group with a terrible slur intentionally.
Par for the course.

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Is that necessarily a bad thing?
Yes.

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Is that necessarily a bad thing?
Nice bit of selective quotation there.
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Is that necessarily a bad thing?
It's a terrible thing, leave that race baiting divisive attitude in the US and don't bring it to Europe thank you very much! It's already starting to creep into the UK, the rest of the Europe still hasn't embraced it yet thank God!
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It's a terrible thing, leave that race baiting divisive attitude in the US and don't bring it to Europe thank you very much! It's already starting to creep into the UK, the rest of the Europe still hasn't embraced it yet thank God!
That's because we didn't even start with whites on whites racism.
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It's a terrible thing, leave that race baiting divisive attitude in the US and don't bring it to Europe thank you very much! It's already starting to creep into the UK, the rest of the Europe still hasn't embraced it yet thank God!
Thatís amusing.
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I find it offensive when an entire group of people are accused of racism but the accuser refuses to name the person even though they know who it is. That kind of action is despicable, it tars an entire group with a terrible slur intentionally.
But you could also say that the person/royal who made inappropriate or interpretable race remarks could have stepped up, explain and apologise by now, as to not compromise the whole lot of them, no?
There's such thing as owning one's mistakes or errors, I thought. Sometimes we peasants even call it honour.

Anyway, they did care to make clear it was neither the queen nor her husband. And they thought "would be too damaging" for the royal in question.
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