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But you could also say that the person who made inappropriate or interpretable race remarks could have stepped up, explain and apologise by now, as to not compromise the whole lot, no?
There's such thing as owning one's mistakes or error, I thought.
Maybe they did. Something that private should NOT be laundered in public.
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Race thing aside, I think this is worth a read even though it’s the Daily Mail. They have researched many of their claims from the interview https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ent-truth.html
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I find it offensive when an entire group of people are accused of racism but the accuser refuses to name the person even though they know who it is. That kind of action is despicable, it tars an entire group with a terrible slur intentionally.
Spot on. And I think that also applies to not giving details of the conversation(s) about skin colour. Leaving that to the imagination means that people will naturally think the worst.

I suspect that whatever was said was on the less serious end of the racism continuum, more likely to be idle wondering about which parent the baby would take after or at most crassly curious speculation about skin colour than reflecting distaste for people with dark skin, mainly because the royals demonstrated the very opposite of racism and concern about the colour of future royals by taking Meghan into the family and walking her down the aisle in a lavish wedding but also because of the words used by Meghan and Harry in the interview and highlighted below. "Potentially" and "assumption" in their surrounding context seem to suggest that the conversation(s) is/are being implied to be something more than it/they were and "money" the crux of the matter.

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Arguably the most shocking bombshell dropped by Harry and Meghan was their claim that unnamed members of the royal family had conversations with Prince Harry about "how dark" his child's skin might be.

Meghan said "conversations" took place while she was pregnant with Archie, while Harry seemed to imply that there was a similar conversation during his courtship with Meghan.

"In those months when I was pregnant, all around this same time, so we have in tandem the conversation of he won't be given security, he's not going to be given a title, and also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he's born," said Meghan, who described it as "several" conversations. "That was relayed to me from Harry. Those were conversations that family had with him."

When Winfrey asked if the conversations focused on "how dark" the baby's skin would be, Meghan replied, "Potentially, and what that would mean or look like."

"That if he were too brown, that that would be a problem? Are you saying that?" Winfrey asked. Meghan replied, "I wasn't able to follow up with why, but that, if that's the assumption you're making, I think that feels like a pretty safe one, which was really hard to understand, right?"

Later in the interview, Winfrey asked Harry about the alleged race conversations, which Harry described as including the question, "What will the kids look like?"

"But that was right at the beginning when [Meghan] wasn't going to get security, when members of my family were suggesting that she carries on acting because there's not enough money to pay for her, and all this sorta stuff," he said. "Like, there were some real obvious signs before we even got married that this was gonna be really hard."

Both Harry and Meghan declined to discuss specifics and would not say which family members were part of the conversations, though Harry later said it was not his grandparents, Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip.

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/p...ry?id=76361936
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Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan

One "oppressed" black woman complaining to another "oppressed" black woman...

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Maybe they did. Something that private should NOT be laundered in public.
And.....back to Stephen Colbert! That's why I liked this guy. He was spot on:


"They'll deal with it privately."


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I think when it comes to the Royal Family, there is a clear exception. And whereas they no doubt hold opinions privately, just as anyone else does, they are held to the standard that they should in no way comment on these opinions publically or let their opinions show in their actions.
I'm sure they can secretely have accounts on EF and vent a little.. we welcome all.
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Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan

Personally, I think that the GB is glad for this little distraction - the rest of the World of course eats it up as rubbish fodder (me too). You are aware that the “rest of the World” sees the Brits as being quote “hysterical” about the whole thing?

It’s a little sad, especially considering that the main (serious) news of the day is how much the UK is suffering from Brexit. Different press, different results.
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But you could also say that the person/royal who made inappropriate or interpretable race remarks could have stepped up, explain and apologise by now, as to not compromise the whole lot of them, no?
There's such thing as owning one's mistakes or errors, I thought. Sometimes we peasants even call it honour.

Anyway, they did care to make clear it was neither the queen nor her husband. And they thought "would be too damaging" for the royal in question.
How can someone step up if they don't even know if an event has happened, or if they've caused offense? As the palace said, "some recollections may vary".

Meghan Markle kept referring to "my" truth. "My" truth, as opposed to "the" truth I guess. So she can make claims like she was married in her backyard with the Archbishop of Canterbury present three days before the actual wedding, which is almost certainly a lie as it would have been illegal in the UK.

This is basically the crux of the whole issue and a modern phenomena. As long as people feel something then it's real, and who is anyone else to question it? She feels someone was racist to her, so they were. She feels she is a woman of color, so any criticism of her has to be down to racism.

What's more surprising is that Harry seems to have caught the bug too! He said how he likes taking little Archie on bike rides because it is something he could never do when he was young. There's literally dozens of pictures on record of a young Prince Harry out on a bike with his parents!
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How can someone step up if they don't even know if an event has happened, or if they've caused offense? As the palace said, "some recollections may vary".

Meghan Markle kept referring to "my" truth. "My" truth, as opposed to "the" truth I guess. So she can make claims like she was married in her backyard with the Archbishop of Canterbury present three days before the actual wedding, which is almost certainly a lie as it would have been illegal in the UK.

This is basically the crux of the whole issue and a modern phenomena. As long as people feel something then it's real, and who is anyone else to question it? She feels someone was racist to her, so they were. She feels she is a woman of color, so any criticism of her has to be down to racism.

What's more surprising is that Harry seems to have caught the bug too! He said how he likes taking little Archie on bike rides because it is something he could never do when he was young. There's literally dozens of pictures on record of a young Prince Harry out on a bike with his parents!
What could you do with tis phenomenon, though..Let them live in their unhappy parallel universe, looks like it is unpleasant enough? Or you could try to fight it because..the truth. And get sucked in, give it its credit even if negative. Media always wins, not the truth. I agree with your post. I think having others agree with your perspective is cool. But I don't think that it is worth getting upset over this issue.
I think Harry is being used and manipulated.
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But you could also say that the person/royal who made inappropriate or interpretable race remarks could have stepped up, explain and apologise by now, as to not compromise the whole lot of them, no?
There's such thing as owning one's mistakes or errors, I thought. Sometimes we peasants even call it honour.

Anyway, they did care to make clear it was neither the queen nor her husband. And they thought "would be too damaging" for the royal in question.
I honestly cannot tell if this is a serious reply ?

Let’s run it through: MM says ‘your all racists’. No one in the group believes they said anything racist, which is what the queen has effectively said, so you expect someone to stand up and say ‘oh yes that was me’ when they don’t know what phrase was being referred to or who she is talking about ?

Or the complex alternative: she just says who said it. We peasants call it honesty.
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Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan

Lots of mixed race couples in the U.K. have come forward and said that they themselves, or their relatives asked exactly the same question- namely, "What colour would their child be?"

These families have said they saw it in the same way as pondering hair colour, eye colour and of course, sex.

Are these people considered sexist if they say that think their baby will be a boy?
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Personally, I think that the GB is glad for this little distraction - the rest of the World of course eats it up as rubbish fodder (me too). You are aware that the “rest of the World” sees the Brits as being quote “hysterical” about the whole thing?
Did you make this up or have you got some points of reference for this claim?

You do realise that the interview was filmed in the U.S, for an American audience and at least one (the BBC) turned down the offer to buy the interview for screening in the U.K?
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I honestly cannot tell if this is a serious reply ?

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This is getting too Stephen Colbert.
Boy, was he right about the whole thing.


You were the one who complained she (indirectly) accused the whole family, not me. Yes, they'll investigate the whole thing privately and find the "culprit" privately (if there is any culprit because apparently that was not racist). Because they're all private persons.
Let's move on now, shall we?

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Lots of mixed race couples in the U.K. have come forward and said that they themselves, or their relatives asked exactly the same question- namely, "What colour would their child be?"

These families have said they saw it in the same way as pondering hair colour, eye colour and of course, sex.

Are these people considered sexist if they say that think their baby will be a boy?
Ask Harry? As far as I understood he's the one who took offence at certain things being discussed such as skin colour. He even mentioned the word "shocked" if I recall correctly. He's the one who said he doesn't want to share and won't share those conversations but for some reason Meghan is accused of dishonesty...? Oh, yes, he's manipulated because he's a little boy not a grown-up man and a father.

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Lots of mixed race couples in the U.K. have come forward and said that they themselves, or their relatives asked exactly the same question- namely, "What colour would their child be?"

These families have said they saw it in the same way as pondering hair colour, eye colour and of course, sex.

Are these people considered sexist if they say that think their baby will be a boy?
My wife and I are mixed races and we wondered the color of our child too. I am afraid we're terribly racist
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My wife and I are mixed races and we wondered the color of our child too. I am afraid we're terribly racist
I suppose this was not that kind of discussion, when future parents wonder how their child will look like, whose eyes colour and hair or whatever attractive facial feature they'll inherit. Will it be a boy or a girl? We, for instance, both wanted a girl first. Does that make us sexist? I hope not. Context and intention....

Anyway, this couple is not quite an ordinary couple and in that famous interview they appeared to believe the royals treated their child against the normal protocols or better said not according to normal protocols. So maybe that's why these discussions were more relevant for them than they are for us.
I don't have any certainty on the alleged racism as I haven't been there. But I don't get this militant like phenomenon to tell people how should they react, what should they feel, when should they speak up. This should be just odd news. People don't have to agree or disagree with them or with each other. Your or my experience is not their experience.

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Meghan Markle kept referring to "my" truth. "My" truth, as opposed to "the" truth I guess.
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What's more surprising is that Harry seems to have caught the bug too! He said how he likes taking little Archie on bike rides because it is something he could never do when he was young. There's literally dozens of pictures on record of a young Prince Harry out on a bike with his parents!
I'm not the arbiter of truth here, this is some other EF folk's "specialty". Again, I haven't been there. Have you? I get what you're saying, of course, and I can agree up to a certain point, in general, but I don't have yours or other people's here certainties.

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Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan

There is a Youtube channel called The Behavior Panel, comprised of four of the worlds foremost experts on body language. Three of them are ex or current military and interrogation specialists and one of them is a body language coach for some of the worlds most influential people.

They frequently independently and objectively use their skills to analyze famous people and interviews, especially the more controversial ones.

They all concluded that Markle was giving some very clear signs of lying and/or deception on some pretty key points in the interview. It's a fascinating analysis and those guys are about as credible as it gets.



I finde Megan Markle very unauthentic. It's abundantly clear she is objectively a very ambitious woman and I believe that she very quickly realised those ambitions would not have been possible to be realized as part of the Royal Family with all of the constraints that brings. Thus, I believe she planned to get out of there pretty quickly after the reality of the situation sank in. Once they had the child together, Harry was basically going to do anything she wanted. I think he is a bit of a twerp, not too bright, but with a good heart who has gone off the deep end.

Anyway, this entire interview was imo a huge mistake and reflects very poorly on them, because it is not dignified and it is airing a lot of dirty laundry, in a very vulgar and sensationalist way, with accusations that cannot be easily proven.

Nothing good ever comes of British royalty marrying an American. Two utterly different and incompatible worlds.

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My wife and I are mixed races and we wondered the color of our child too. I am afraid we're terribly racist
Same with my wife and her ex (he's Vietnamese/Chinese).

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Same with my wife and her ex (he's Vietnamese/Chinese).

Tom
Your wife is expecting a baby from her ex ?
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No idea at moment whether Piers Morgan will stay in UK or go to USA.
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No idea at moment whether Piers Morgan will stay in UK or go to USA.
He might move to the US to get some more privacy and less publicity. In a year or so, he could do an interview with Oprah and reveal how bad he has been treated.
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I fine Megan Markle very unauthentic.
Same here. One thing is an outrage and dealing with the royal schtick as an adult, she and Harry can do whatever they want. But depriving the kids the access to the family (even with the protocol and all) and the queen etc. access to her grandkids, I doubt that they really deserve it. I find it really selfish.
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