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Old 15.03.2021, 23:45
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I don't agree that Meghan was a victim; so let's agree to disagree if that is possible

Sigh. All Iím trying to show is that the treatment of both women for similar events is different. I donít care if you think sheís a victim, or not. Letís put it this way....Markleís press is more negative than Middleton. I believe Markle was portrayed in a more negative light for similar behaviors. Is there more to it? I do not know. As for the rest....whatever. Everyone can believe what they wish. Idgaf.
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Actually, what buzfeed did was to take the same/similar topic, from the same source and show the headline and story as it referred to Middleton and to Markle. It demonstrates bias within the source (like the examiner, daily mail and so on).

To be honest though, this is way more time than anyone needs to spend on this crap.
Yes, UK press is vicious. And that is probably mildly said. I think Harry's mother also had problems with them...to say they are not is just plain denial but I'm not in the least surprised.
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Yes, UK press is vicious. And that is probably mildly said. I think Harry's mother also had problems with them...to say they are not is just plain denial but I'm not in the least surprised.
The UK tabloid press is shocking, maybe the most unscrupulous in the world, and imo needs stricter regulation. The fact they can publish so many private details and then worry about the consequences later is imo awful. Especially when they plaster the name and details of "suspects" who have been accused but not yet convicted of X crimes, that really gets my goat.
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Sigh. All Iím trying to show is that the treatment of both women for similar events is different. I donít care if you think sheís a victim, or not. Letís put it this way....Markleís press is more negative than Middleton. I believe Markle was portrayed in a more negative light for similar behaviors. Is there more to it? I do not know. As for the rest....whatever. Everyone can believe what they wish. Idgaf.
Kate Middleton has had her fair share of negative light in the press, certainly when she and Prince William started dating. A French magazine even published topless pictures of the Duchess taken from I believe several kilometers away with a telephoto lens.

The increasing bad press against Meghan Markle is not prejudiced against her being of mixed-race, if anything it is against the Hollywood culture that she embodies and that was confirmed by that awful interview.
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The increasing bad press against Meghan Markle is not prejudiced against her being of mixed-race, if anything it is against the Hollywood culture that she embodies and that was confirmed by that awful interview.
She seemed nothing but wanting to fit in to me. Too bad she can't help being an American, and an actress at that. So you say there were no prejudices there? Perhaps you should pay more attention to your own post, let alone to the press.
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The increasing bad press against Meghan Markle is not prejudiced against her being of mixed-race, if anything it is against the Hollywood culture that she embodies and that was confirmed by that awful interview.
And being a Seppo.

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She seemed nothing but wanting to fit in to me. Too bad she can't help being an American, and an actress at that. So you say there were no prejudices there? Perhaps you should pay more attention to your own post, let alone to the press.
I think you're being contrarian now read my post again, I'm didn't say there is no prejudices, I don't want to have to use my meme again

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Had to google that! Yes, exactly!
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I think you're being contrarian now read my post again, I'm didn't say there is no prejudices, I don't want to have to use my meme again
So there were prejudices, after all. Only not specifically related to race or colour, in your view.* Good that we made that clear, because in your post it was implied the press fought the good fight so to speak, them being against Hollywood culture and all. In my opinion that's not making things any better. Opinions may vary.

*except when she was called being "straight outta Compton". And having exotic DNA. Perhaps.

Again, opinions may vary.
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Old 16.03.2021, 09:25
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Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan

Meghan got a massive amount of good press, until after the Australia tour. Everyone was obsessed with her - remember the Markle Sparkle? If all the bad press is racist, why did she get such great coverage for the first year?
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She seemed nothing but wanting to fit in to me. Too bad she can't help being an American, and an actress at that. So you say there were no prejudices there? Perhaps you should pay more attention to your own post, let alone to the press.
Good thing is the external, independent, law firm brought in to investigate the bullying allegations against her that - allegedly - left staff in tears, will of course tell us a lot about how much she was trying to fit in.
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Meghan got a massive amount of good press, until after the Australia tour. Everyone was obsessed with her - remember the Markle Sparkle? If all the bad press is racist, why did she get such great coverage for the first year?
So what happened after Australia? In the interview with Oprah they made some assumptions that the royal family got jealous, but didn't go further into details.

I also remember her having massively good press for her trip to South Africa, with Archie, but right at the end of the trip she and Harry announce that they didn't want to work with the press or launched some legal action against the press, which was a surprise given the positive press I thought she was getting.
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So what happened after Australia? In the interview with Oprah they made some assumptions that the royal family got jealous, but didn't go further into details.

I also remember her having massively good press for her trip to South Africa, with Archie, but right at the end of the trip she and Harry announce that they didn't want to work with the press or launched some legal action against the press, which was a surprise given the positive press I thought she was getting.
I don't know. But if you love someone, then you hate someone, then it's unlikely to be about race as race hasn't changed.

She stuffed up massively in SA by saying she was surviving not thriving, that went down like a lead balloon with a lot of the public struggling financially day to day.
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Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan

Recently watched some interviews (one, two, three, four) with Candace Owens on this subject and thought she made some interesting points, in particular that Meghan in her screen acting career had never played a black or mixed race person*. It would be interesting to know if that's true. Owens seemed to be saying that Meghan, who Owens said is "25% black" as her mother is half black half white (true or not?), had simply found it expedient to export the US "obsession" with race to the UK and claim to be a victim of racism.

According to Wikipedia, Candace Owens is married to an Englishman whose father is a life peer in the House of Lords.

(* judging from a quick look at her IMDb page, she has sometimes played characters with Spanish sounding names)
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Meghan, who Owens said is "25% black" as her mother is half black half white (true or not?)
Nope, Doria's parents were both black. See family tree photo https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/632317...y-met-meghan/#
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Recently watched some interviews (one, two, three, four) with Candace Owens on this subject and thought she made some interesting points, in particular that Meghan in her screen acting career had never played a black or mixed race person*. It would be interesting to know if that's true. Owens seemed to be saying that Meghan, who Owens said is "25% black" as her mother is half black half white (true or not?), had simply found it expedient to export the US "obsession" with race to the UK and claim to be a victim of racism.

According to Wikipedia, Candace Owens is married to an Englishman whose father is a life peer in the House of Lords.

(* judging from a quick look at her IMDb page, she has sometimes played characters with Spanish sounding names)
It's a valid point, and a whole can of worms, but the big elephant in the room is that to look at Meghan Markle one wouldn't automatically come to the conclusion that she is a woman of color. Of course we're reminded about it in every piece of media that we consume about the Duchess, but in reality it's not abundantly clear.

It's perhaps the most regretful aspect of this whole affair, is that by focusing on the weak but incendiary racism argument, the real reasons why public opinion has turned on the Duchess are ignored.
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... Meghan in her screen acting career had never played a black or mixed race person ...
She played a mixed race person on Suits. Her on-screen dad was black and her on-screen mum was white.

I watched the show back when it first aired and I had no idea she was half black until it was brought up on the show, i.e. when her on-screen dad was introduced. Even then, I didn’t believe that she was half black so I had to Google it! Honestly, I had assumed that she was either white or had some Mediterranean genes.

If I recall correctly from the episode, even her on-screen colleague (the one she ends up marrying) didn’t realise that she was half black, and she made a comment like, „You think this is just a nice tan that I have?“

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Kate Middleton has had her fair share of negative light in the press, certainly when she and Prince William started dating. A French magazine even published topless pictures of the Duchess taken from I believe several kilometers away with a telephoto lens.

The increasing bad press against Meghan Markle is not prejudiced against her being of mixed-race, if anything it is against the Hollywood culture that she embodies and that was confirmed by that awful interview.
I think the press has still treated Kate better. Does anyone think that Kate might be a nicer person by any chance?
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She played a mixed race person on Suits. Her on-screen dad was black and her on-screen mum was white.

I watched the show back when it first aired and I had no idea she was half black until it was brought up on the show, i.e. when her on-screen dad was introduced. Even then, I didnít believe that she was half black so I had to Google it! Honestly, I had assumed that she was either white or had some Mediterranean genes.

If I recall correctly from the episode, even her on-screen colleague (the one she ends up marrying) didnít realise that she was half black, and she made a comment like, ĄYou think this is just a nice tan that I have?ď

I miss watching TV!
I was going to say. Suits is about the only thing she's known for outside of being married to Harry and her Dad was definitely black in that.
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I think the press has still treated Kate better. Does anyone think that Kate might be a nicer person by any chance?
I don't know if she's nicer or not, but she is lined up to be a Queen at some point so I wouldn't want to be getting on her bad side.
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Recently watched some interviews (one, two, three, four) with Candace Owens on this subject and thought she made some interesting points, in particular that Meghan in her screen acting career had never played a black or mixed race person*. It would be interesting to know if that's true. Owens seemed to be saying that Meghan, who Owens said is "25% black" as her mother is half black half white (true or not?), had simply found it expedient to export the US "obsession" with race to the UK and claim to be a victim of racism.

According to Wikipedia, Candace Owens is married to an Englishman whose father is a life peer in the House of Lords.

(* judging from a quick look at her IMDb page, she has sometimes played characters with Spanish sounding names)
Candace owens..ugh..
That channel double ugh.
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