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20.12.2022, 12:08
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Haven't seen the series but had to laugh at the clips of Meghan relaying praise about herself from other people (Beyoncé + hat-doffing/kneeling airline crew member). It must take a special kind of self-regard to do that, let alone publicly.
Harry and Meghan apparently have a new series out in December called "Live to Lead" about influential leaders throughout history (like themselves?).
First trailer for new Harry and Meghan documentary series ‘Live to Lead’ lands | Quote: |  | | | Harry describes how the series was inspired by former South African president Nelson Mandela. He then goes on to quote the great leader and says ‘What counts in life is not the mere fact that we’ve lived…’ Before Meghan finishes his quote for him and adds: ‘It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead.’ | | | | | Feel a bit sorry for them, to be honest. They seem to desperately want good press and to be relevant. But they're royal, so no-one really cares what they think.
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20.12.2022, 12:22
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Markle really in her zone: https://pagesix.com/2022/09/24/ex-st...-tirades-book/ "one alleged incident during which Markle, 41, lambasted a young female worker in front of other colleagues.
“Don’t worry. If there was literally anyone else I could ask to do this, I would be asking them instead of you,” Markle purportedly told the staffer, with whom she had been working to execute a plan of sorts. " | 
20.12.2022, 18:13
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Well, looks like she could gaslight anybody and make it look like it's the 2nd sun.
No worries if the gas runs out during Winter - we've got Megan
If she wasn't a public figure, she'd feature in some "Karen" Youtube video.
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20.12.2022, 21:57
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| | Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan | Quote: | |  | | | Haven't seen the series but had to laugh at the clips of Meghan relaying praise about herself from other people (Beyoncé + hat-doffing/kneeling airline crew member). It must take a special kind of self-regard to do that, let alone publicly.
Harry and Meghan apparently have a new series out in December called "Live to Lead" about influential leaders throughout history (like themselves?).
First trailer for new Harry and Meghan documentary series ‘Live to Lead’ lands
Feel a bit sorry for them, to be honest. They seem to desperately want good press and to be relevant. But they're royal, so no-one really cares what they think. | | | | | Jacinda Aherne distances herself from documentary making it clear her role in it had nothing to do with Harry and meghan even though they have plugged it like she did the show for them https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ry-Meghan.html | 
21.12.2022, 10:44
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| | Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan | Quote: | |  | | | And finally we agree - the outrage industry, which all newspapers follow against all people that are famous pointing out their blessings, errors, mistakes and outrages because the public consume it. Regardless of their colour, religion or class, they all get the boot in. Cameron and Johnson are lambasted for being public schoolboys. the tories for being rich. reality tv stars for their plastic surgery faux pas. Its a global industry, not linked to british or ethnic boundaries.
What is *really* the outrage here is how meghan markle has a history of destroying people with rages in her time in the royal family. Her history is truly that of a nasty piece of work. The current claims she makes of outright racism in the palace, which she makes for a huge financial reward, you simply believe and your view of the monarchy is that they are a set of racist scum. However when the insult is directed at meghan markle herself, she is an innocent lamb being taken to the slaughter.
People had to have counselling after a Meghan Markle rage session, she had staff exiting their posts with her tantrums. Unfortunately because they are not royal, rich and as photogenic, they cannot do a lucrative netflix series on it. | | | | | We don't have to agree on anything, but I am glad if we do. These things about media and its "vile" coverage of Meghan Markle were confirmed during the "docuseries" by a few people from the black (or mixed race) civil society so she's doing these accusations with "witnesses" so to speak. They also believe there are certain racist stereotypes and an overall racist tone when reporting about her and all her "hate story" with the British media is particularly bad because she's mixed race and Afro-American.
Yes, she and Harry are making a lot of money in the process so that's a thing to take into consideration....I can't know what is true and what is not, but some things make sense. For instance them suing Daily Mail for publishing her letter to her father. They even won this process.
Particularly in regards with the "outrage industry" and the "tabloid mentality" and you can see Jeremy Clarkson latest rant. | Quote: |  | | | Philip Pullman
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That Jeremy Clarkson can write things like that, and publish them unashamed, tells us all we need to know about the way Rupert Murdoch has poisoned and rotted our public life. | | | | | As for the royal family...it looks they wash their laundry in public. It is "he says" vs. "she says" here.
I have to say the second part left me "perplexed". It's hard to know what is true and what is not in their relations with the royal family (who, if they were truly racist, wouldn't have agreed with their marriage in the first place, no?) I suppose every family is somehow dysfunctional and their extended family is no worse or better than many families out there but unfortunately everything like that that comes out in the media is particularly damaging for them. (they'll survive, no worries)
Why they did it? (H and M) I don't know, I guess money is not the only answer.
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21.12.2022, 11:26
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| | Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan | Quote: | |  | | | What is *really* the outrage here is how meghan markle has a history of destroying people with rages in her time in the royal family. Her history is truly that of a nasty piece of work. The current claims she makes of outright racism in the palace, which she makes for a huge financial reward, you simply believe and your view of the monarchy is that they are a set of racist scum. However when the insult is directed at meghan markle herself, she is an innocent lamb being taken to the slaughter.
People had to have counselling after a Meghan Markle rage session, she had staff exiting their posts with her tantrums. Unfortunately because they are not royal, rich and as photogenic, they cannot do a lucrative netflix series on it. | | | | | Former staff who worked for her are now claiming on Twitter how they were screamed at and bullied by her and how she shouts at Harry till she gets her way.
I was also speaking to someone I met from Netflix, who doubts their contract will be renewed, and if it is, at a vastly reduced rate to what they were paid this time. Probably the same with Spotify.
It was also interesting to read Harry's comment, that after this series and the book, they will look to reconcile with the RF. Of course, if the deals dry up, as they know they will, they'll want to come back to the UK to enjoy the "Royal" lifestyle. But will they be accepted??
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21.12.2022, 11:29
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| | Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan | Quote: | |  | | | As for the royal family...it looks they wash their laundry in public. It is "he says" vs. "she says" here.
I have to say the second part left me "perplexed". It's hard to know what is true and what is not in their relations with the royal family (who, if they were truly racist, wouldn't have agreed with their marriage in the first place, no?) I suppose every family is somehow dysfunctional and their extended family is no worse or better than many families out there but unfortunately everything like that that comes out in the media is particularly damaging for them. (they'll survive, no worries)
Why they did it? (H and M) I don't know, I guess money is not the only answer. | | | | |
Whilst it is a "He/they" say this and "She" says that situation, the "they" part do have a certain track record as being reasonable honest, where as the "She" says part does have a track record for embellishment or as the Queen said, "Some recollections may vary"......
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21.12.2022, 11:38
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| | Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan | Quote: | |  | | | Whilst it is a "He/they" say this and "She" says that situation, the "they" part do have a certain track record as being reasonable honest, where as the "She" says part does have a track record for embellishment or as the Queen said, "Some recollections may vary"...... | | | | | Harry was the one who was upset by some royal(s) asking themselves or casually conversing about his unborn child's skin colour. I guess the only allegation of racism against the royal house was coming from him!!!
While we white people may argue that casually commenting about one's skin colour is harmless and not in the least racist, I know from quite a few people of colour they find this offensive. Harry was "offended" too, on behalf of his unborn child. Perfectly reasonable to me.
That scandal was old though and it hasn't been mentioned again in the docuseries.
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21.12.2022, 11:52
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| | Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan | Quote: | |  | | | While we white people may argue that casually commenting about one's skin colour is harmless and not in the least racist, I know from quite a few people of colour they find this offensive. Harry was "offended" too, on behalf of his unborn child. Perfectly reasonable to me. | | | | | Depends how it was asked. Could be just like wondering what hair or eye colour a baby will have and there be no racism at all behind it. It is only racist if it mattered to the person what colour his skin would be. Big difference between, “I wonder what his skin tone will be like” and “oh my god do you think he’ll get Meghan’s skin tone?”.
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21.12.2022, 12:20
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| | Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan | Quote: | |  | | | Harry was the one who was upset by some royal(s) asking themselves or casually conversing about his unborn child's skin colour. I guess the only allegation of racism against the royal house was coming from him!!!
While we white people may argue that casually commenting about one's skin colour is harmless and not in the least racist, I know from quite a few people of colour they find this offensive. Harry was "offended" too, on behalf of his unborn child. Perfectly reasonable to me.
That scandal was old though and it hasn't been mentioned again in the docuseries. | | | | | My wife and I wondered that too when she was pregnant of our own daughter. I guess that makes us racists | The following 3 users would like to thank k_and_e for this useful post: | | 
21.12.2022, 12:27
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| | Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan | Quote: | |  | | | My wife and I wondered that too when she was pregnant of our own daughter. I guess that makes us racists  | | | | | I suppose it doesn't*, because it was your own child you were wondering about (will he or she have my eyes or your eyes, my hair colour or your hair colour)....I guess it's like using a specific word is allowed only within a community. (e.g.the N-word)
*I know your question was sarcastic but it is also a tad irrelevant in this case...
But who am I to know why Harry was particularly upset about this episode, which I also consider harmless.....if that was everything that was discussed there.
Again, "he says she says" thing. But they - H and M - know it, and that's why the docuseries were watched by so many people.
The royal house will probably never explain, never complain.
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21.12.2022, 12:44
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| | Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan | Quote: | |  | | | While we white people may argue that casually commenting about one's skin colour is harmless and not in the least racist, I know from quite a few people of colour they find this offensive. Harry was "offended" too, on behalf of his unborn child. Perfectly reasonable to me. | | | | | Actually that's pretty offensive - assuming everyone on EF is white. Why the hell would they be?
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21.12.2022, 12:50
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| | Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan | Quote: | |  | | | Actually that's pretty offensive - assuming everyone on EF is white. Why the hell would they be? | | | | | Where did I say by "we white people" I mean everyone of EF???
I merely included myself in this group of people that doesn't see anything harmful about casually commenting about someone's skin colour, when it's done not to cause harm so to speak.
Which may be true to some white people, but definitely not all, see Harry guy for instance. So in that, I'm probably wrong. I generalised about "white people" not about EF, which is as diverse as you can get and everyone knows it. Try harder next time. | 
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| | Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan | Quote: | |  | | | Actually that's pretty offensive - assuming everyone on EF is white. Why the hell would they be? | | | | | Poor Greenmount stepped into a minefield. Best thing to do now is to plan an interview with Oprah | The following 2 users would like to thank k_and_e for this useful post: | | 
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| | Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan | Quote: | |  | | | Where did I say by "we white people" I mean everyone of EF??? | | | | | Clever - you just edited your post.
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| | Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan | Quote: | |  | | | Poor Greenmount stepped into a minefield. Best thing to do now is to plan an interview with Oprah | | | | | Yes, next thing I'll hear is Tom gave an interview to Oprah during prime time! 
It was funny, a bit of risk I took commenting on the royals. No worries.
I'll get my coat. | Quote: | |  | | | Clever - you just edited your post. | | | | | Yes, I am usually editing my posts when I notice they're still not clear enough for some people hell bent to misinterpret.
Tom, I'll leave your beloved royals alone now, here, I edited my post again.
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Oprah's not really my thing.
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It's definitely Harry's thing. | This user would like to thank greenmount for this useful post: | | 
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| | Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan | Quote: | |  | | | Depends how it was asked. Could be just like wondering what hair or eye colour a baby will have and there be no racism at all behind it. It is only racist if it mattered to the person what colour his skin would be. Big difference between, “I wonder what his skin tone will be like” and “oh my god do you think he’ll get Meghan’s skin tone?”. | | | | | "he's not gonna be another ginger is he?"
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Tom, I'll leave your beloved royals alone now, here, I edited my post again.
| | | | | They're not my Royals. You can say what you like about them!*
I'm not sure Harry was offended when someone asked what colour his baby would be but you can bet that Ms Markle turned it into something to be offended by.
(Like I did with your 'white people' comment!)
I didn't find it offensive, by the way. I was using it as an example of how words can be misinterpreted and a fairly harmless comment blown out of all proportion.
*In my view there are a lot of things which need fixing in the U.K. before people need to start worrying about the role of the Royal family.
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