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As a teacher, you’d have expected her to know better. You can change your EF username and think you’d gotten away with it, but it doesn’t cover-up anything else.
Well, we had teachers here doing all sorts of stuff teachers shouldn't be doing so.....
I still remember fondly DB's....teachings. And another teacher multi-doctored or something, but we digress.
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Well, we had teachers here doing all sorts of stuff teachers shouldn't be doing so.....
I still remember fondly DB's....teachings. And another teacher multi-doctored or something, but we digress.
DB is doing fine
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DB is doing fine
Glad to hear. I'm not his EF persona biggest fan ever but I suspect he's much more pleasant in real life. Oh, well, maybe with a selected lot but still.
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Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan

So Harry said in his interview that the Royal Family is not racist and Lady Susan Hussey is not racist. Can’t keep up with this guy!
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So Harry said in his interview that the Royal Family is not racist and Lady Susan Hussey is not racist. Can’t keep up with this guy!
Love The Guardian title today:

“ Harry: The Interview review – so horribly sad it could have turned the Queen anti-monarchy”

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Just maybe and this is total speculation, maybe the ghost writer decided he really didn't like Ginge & Megain and did a wonderful hatchet job on the both whilst conserving the very lucrative book sales !
Exactly..
The only thing Ginger and Whinger are interested in is more money .
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Old 09.01.2023, 11:36
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She copied a whole section of the article Roegner posted word for word which could lead to copyright issues if re-posted elsewhere.

That’s why we always ask for the original source for posts which are clearly copied from elsewhere.

As it was from a private discussion with a friend, I was not aware that she had got her facts from an article written by someone else. Went to bed, and had visitors the next day and ony confirmed source last night.

As said before, it made no difference to the veracity of the facts given, but I can see the possibe copyright issue.

BTW, Diana also wrote a book even before Charles, in 92, that did not portray the Royal Family well. So Harry is hardly the first, was my point.
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Love The Guardian title today:

“ Harry: The Interview review – so horribly sad it could have turned the Queen anti-monarchy”

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...-anti-monarchy

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Exactly..
The only thing Ginger and Whinger are interested in is more money .
Its very well run brand management. He might want to bring down the royal family, but the core requirement is to keep the brand at the top of the visibility list and he is doing this very, very well almost certainly the principle strategist being his wife and some experienced media execs.

They are playing both sides of the coin - dishing out the claims of racism for example while also responding in shock during the interview to claim nothing they have said was racist - to further intrigue people into wondering whether they are Goodies or Baddies and that keeps them front and centre in the newspapers.

Ironically, I would suspect there is much much less emotion in it than people actually think. Everything he will have done so far - naming the number of soldiers he's killed, putting the boot into Camilla - all will have been done not by an emotional 35 year old man or however old he is, but more likely scripted by a set of 50-60 year old industry veterans who know without question how to make stories run and run.

In the end, they want as much money as they can possibly get and the prestige that comes with it in their social circles. They just crush lots of people in getting their way.
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Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan

Harry and Meghan were clearly implying that the royals were racist in the Oprah interview, insinuating that something so serious was said that to reveal who said it would damage the person concerned, with Harry refusing to say who said what, which he has doubled down on in the ITV interview. He's a sly one, that's for sure.

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Bradby: A couple of things, you talk about accountability, in the Oprah interview you accused members of your family of racism, you don’t even…

Harry: No I didn’t.

Bradby: Well, of…

Harry: The British press said that.

Bradby: Right. I…

Harry: Did – did Meghan ever mention that they’re racist?

Bradby: She said there were troubling comments about Archie’s skin colour.

Harry: There was – there was concern about his skin colour.

Bradby: Right. Wouldn’t you describe that as essentially racist?

Harry: I wouldn’t, not having lived within that family.

Harry: So again going – going back to the difference between what my understanding is because of my own experience, the difference between racism and unconscious bias, the two things are different. But once it’s been acknowledged, or pointed out to you as an individual, or as an institution, that you have unconscious bias, you therefore have an opportunity to learn and grow from that in order so that you are part of the solution rather than part of the problem. Otherwise unconscious bias then moves into the category of racism.

Bradby: But I suppose I mean isn’t there a danger that people are gonna think bad – you know, you haven’t identified which members of the family…

Harry: And I will never talk – and I will never talk about that. ...
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Oprah: You certainly must have had some conversations with Harry about it and have your own suspicions as to why they didn’t want to make Archie a prince. What are . . .  what are those thoughts? Why do you think that is? Do you think it’s because of his race?

Meghan: (Sighs)

Oprah: And I know that’s a loaded question, but . . . 

Meghan: But I can give you an honest answer. In those months when I was pregnant, all around this same time . . .  so we have in tandem the conversation of ‘He won’t be given security, he’s not going to be given a title’ and also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he’s born.

Oprah: What?

Meghan: And . . . 

Oprah: Who . . . who is having that conversation with you? What?

Meghan: So . . . 

Oprah: There is a conversation . . . hold on. Hold up. Hold up. Stop right now.

Meghan: There were . . . there were several conversations about it.

Oprah: There’s a conversation with you . . ? 

Meghan: With Harry.

Oprah: About how dark your baby is going to be?

Meghan: Potentially, and what that would mean or look like.

Oprah: Whoo. And you’re not going to tell me who had the conversation?

Meghan: I think that would be very damaging to them.

Oprah: OK. So, how . . . how does one have that meeting?

There were conversations ...about no security, no title... and how dark his skin might be when he’s born.

Meghan: That was relayed to me from Harry. Those were conversations that family had with him. And I think . . . 

Oprah: Whoa.

Meghan: It was really hard to be able to see those as compartmentalised conversations.

Oprah: Because they were concerned that if he were too brown, that that would be a problem? Are you saying that?

Meghan: I wasn’t able to follow up with why, but that — if that’s the assumption you’re making, I think that feels like a pretty safe one, which was really hard to understand, right? Especially when — look, I — the Commonwealth is a huge part of the monarchy, and I lived in Canada, which is a Commonwealth country, for seven years. But it wasn’t until Harry and I were together that we started to travel through the Commonwealth, I would say 60 per cent, 70 per cent of which is people of colour, right? ...

Oprah: Well, what is particularly striking is what Meghan shared with us earlier, is that no one wants to admit that there’s anything about race or that race has played a role in the trolling and the vitriol, and yet Meghan shared with us that there was a conversation with you about Archie’s skin tone.

Harry: Mm-hmm.

Oprah: What was that conversation?

Harry: That conversation I’m never going to share, but at the time . . . at the time, it was awkward. I was a bit shocked.

Oprah: Can you . . . can you tell us what the question was?

Harry: No. I don’t . . . I’m not comfortable with sharing that.

Oprah: OK.

Harry: But that was . . . that was right at the beginning, right?

Oprah: Like, what will the baby look like?

Harry: Yeah, what will the kids look like?

Oprah: What will the kids look like?

Harry: But that was right at the beginning, when she wasn’t going to get security, when members of my family were suggesting that she carries on acting, because there was not enough money to pay for her, and all this sort of stuff. Like, there was some real obvious signs before we even got married that this was going to be really hard. ...
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Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan

Who cares anyway ?
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Who cares anyway ?
Lots of people care, which shows how well it is being promoted.

Aside from the fascination aspect of it, it does have impact as it is a major event, in terms of global viewership. So for example, the implication of racism in the previous interview with Oprah Winfrey will have had an overall negative effect on the impression people have of the UK I would expect, with the association of UK = Racist being what many viewers will have interpreted, even though the message was that it was the Royal Family that are guilty, they represent britain and so represent the mindset of its citizens.

The same kind of "look, who cares, he's just a rambling nutter" was given about Donald Trump as he descended into rage on losing the election and he managed to get 5 people killed by inciting a riot in the end.

When there are millions of people watching what you say, then what you say - or here more what you imply - really does matter I think.
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Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan

Well written. Especially the concluding paragraphs:
He is charming, articulate, and – unless the Windsor clan has reared a world-class actor – telling us the truth as he sees it. In PR terms, it will surely serve its purpose. The book will sell in its millions, his story will appeal to the younger demographic, bolster his celebrity and maybe allow him a more manageable kind of fame than the one he was born into – which is probably his best hope at this point.

Speaking as a member of an older demographic who remembers Harry and William being born, Diana’s death, the funeral and all the rest of it, it left me only with a great sorrowful weariness: for all that has been done wrong, all that has been lost and how, in the end, how sad and ordinary every little life, however gilded, can be.
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Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan

It's certainly being very well promoted because of the amount of $$ they have received as advance royalties which the various entities need to claw back somehow.


It's a bit like reality TV, living somebody else's live rather than getting on with your own.


I think they proved beyond any doubt their mercenary capabilities, what good it will do is yet to be seen !


There are plenty of precedents in that family


Prince Andrew
Princess Margaret
Edward VIII
Prince John
Edward VII


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It's a bit like reality TV, living somebody else's live rather than getting on with your own.
Harry even said as much, once, explaining that his life inside the institution had been a mixtrue of being in The Truman Show and being in a zoo.
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Harry even said as much, once, explaining that his life inside the institution had been a mixtrue of being in The Truman Show and being in a zoo.
With the subtle difference that he can step out any time if he gives up his privileges. I would say it's more like one of those Big Brother programs.
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Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan

Reference a BBC headline:

Prince Harry says Diana would be 'heartbroken' over Royal Family rift.

Actually Harry, I think your mother would be disappointed in you.
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Re: [Prince] Harry and Meghan

The interview re the book Prince Charles wrote at the time has disappeared from UK sites- but it is still available elsewhere

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/so...-how-to-watch/
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Harry even said as much, once, explaining that his life inside the institution had been a mixtrue of being in The Truman Show and being in a zoo.
Sweet, but you‘ve maybe been influenced by ol‘ blue eyes :

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-healing.html
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