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Chuff 28.11.2017 17:48

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Originally Posted by slammer (Post 2879385)
One of the worst things about this topic splashed around the internet at the moment is that she is "black" and Whitey McWhitewite from Whitington in Whitenhampshire won´t like that one little bit. If you think that the Americans ripping into a "black" president was bad wait until you get the generic English redneck chav on about a "black" royal.

To be fair the UK is still one of the most multi-cultural places in the world and mixed race relationships are very common vs anywhere else I can think of.

It is more the aristocrats royal circle rather than the common Brit who would be outraged about who is marrying into the royal family... most normal people couldn't give a crap. In fact, I would say far more people will be bothered by her being American than by her being mixed race.

Rob 28.11.2017 17:52

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She is also fairly liberal, which has also upset the likes of the Mail and Express and their commentardiat. For instance the lovely Brendan O'Neill has got a bit triggered in the Spectator:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPqlCBzX0AA-gcU.jpg

(I wish there was a way to resize images, sorry about that mods.)

Guest 28.11.2017 18:32

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Originally Posted by PaddyG (Post 2879598)
Which is still bloody ridiculous.
It's a bit like saying "Oh, I'm Saxon-English on my mother's side, and Danish-English and Brythonic-English with a touch of Arab-English on my father's side"

Why is it ridiculous ? It can actually get a lot more complicated with that - and it's great (although, yes, you don't actually advertise it and shout it to all and sundry from the rooftops ;). Those DNA tests show up amazing results- and are very popular- as many people that it is important to understand your roots and where you come from. In our grand-daughter's case, it certainly helped solve a health problem with seemed 'impossible' for the medical side- with a British- Irish dad and a British-Swiss mum (until she told the grand-daughter's great-great grandmother was Indonesian (Cape Malay).

But wow- an American divorcee, not Baptized and not Anglican - déjà vu but very different attitudes (good)

As an aside, I love THAT video 'where do you REALLY come from' never asked to 'Euro Americans' but to anyone else. And Whoopy saying in her book 'call me an arsewhole- but do not ever call me 'African American'.

https://youtu.be/DWynJkN5HbQ

nickatbasel 28.11.2017 21:25

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And while continental Europeans have a sex life, the British have a hot water bottle. In some more progressive British households they have an electric blanket.

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Originally Posted by Castro (Post 2878458)
I'm sure Meghan is one of our silent members, so I've taken the time to drag a small list together from the www to help her acclimatise to her new home

1. The word is "maths" not "math."
......etc


Blueangel 28.11.2017 22:03

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Originally Posted by Loz1983 (Post 2879487)
Britain has probably the highest number of mixed-race relationships in the developed world.

True. Got three mixed race marriages in my immediate family.

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Originally Posted by PilatesFan (Post 2879597)
its PIIGS you moron. and you're unfunny.

Did someone forget to take their 1,000th of a paracetamol today? :D

Guest 28.11.2017 23:29

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btw- when does 'mixed race' begin and stop? When it 'shows' - in our family, many mixed race relatives do 'show' and many do not! And some of our younger family members barely know about it, and perhaps not at all- because they, or their parents, would rather leave it all behind and forget ...

Blueangel 29.11.2017 01:31

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btw- when does 'mixed race' begin and stop?
When it's so far down the family tree that the current generation are no longer aware of it.

One of my mates has a Ghanian mother and British dad. His daughter has light blonde hair, blue eyes and looks Scandanavian, but she's very close to her Ghanian grandmother, so she's aware and proud of her ancestry.

Then there's another close friend who I spent the evening with last week, who's being advised by his doctor to "ask a few pointed questions about his ancestry, and/or consider a DNA test." Reason is that he's recently developed two minor conditions that are predominently only seen in people of African descent. As the family questions have revealed nothing, I fully expect him to be curious enough to get a DNA test.

Reb77Br 29.11.2017 15:54

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btw- when does 'mixed race' begin and stop? When it 'shows' - in our family, many mixed race relatives do 'show' and many do not! And some of our younger family members barely know about it, and perhaps not at all- because they, or their parents, would rather leave it all behind and forget ...
I have often wondered if the determining factor in someone being labelled African American, Asian American, Hispanic American, Native American, etc. (which seem to be a way of tagging non-whites) is whether their African-ness, etc. shows in their face, and what happens when you have two mixed-race siblings, one whose African-ness shows, the other who looks 'Caucasian' - how they are labelled by others and what box they are expected to tick on the form.

Guest 29.11.2017 16:00

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Indeed- the case in our family. That was particularly poignant and relevant in Apartheid SA, for sure. The side of our family that emigrated to the UK are all white- our girls and their cousins all having that mildly exotic glow- but their Britishness never ever questionned.

Blueangel - interesting point re being so far down the line it becomes lost and forgotten. But how does it? In parts of my family, it will be very fast, as parents have decided to totally bury the past ancestry and have decided not to have any contact with the past (which is actually very much very present- but far away to be ignored) - for others, like our children and grandchilddren - it will hopefully never happen - as we talk about it, show photos and books, articles, studies, and as we have chosen to have contact with those who live a long way away and are 'different' from us in so many ways. It is a choice.

gbn 29.11.2017 16:09

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 2879615)
To be fair the UK is still one of the most multi-cultural places in the world and mixed race relationships are very common vs anywhere else I can think of.
...

You only have to look around London.
The young generation have no problem mixing.

It was quite refreshing when I last visited (from Malta, which is somewhat racist to anyone who doesn't look like Omid Djalili)

Medea Fleecestealer 29.11.2017 16:42

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Originally Posted by Reb77Br (Post 2880136)
I have often wondered if the determining factor in someone being labelled African American, Asian American, Hispanic American, Native American, etc. (which seem to be a way of tagging non-whites) is whether their African-ness, etc. shows in their face, and what happens when you have two mixed-race siblings, one whose African-ness shows, the other who looks 'Caucasian' - how they are labelled by others and what box they are expected to tick on the form.

Don't know what it is for other races, but on a Federal level Native Americans have to be 1/4 of the bloodline.

"Tribal membership
To receive tribal services, a Native American must be a certified (or enrolled) member of a federally recognized tribal organization. Each tribal government makes its own rules for eligibility of citizens or tribal members. Among tribes, qualification for enrollment may be based upon a required percentage of Native American "blood" (or the "blood quantum") of an individual seeking recognition, or documented descent from an ancestor on the Dawes Rolls or other registers. But, the federal government has its own standards related to who qualifies for services available to certified Native Americans. For instance, federal scholarships for Native Americans require the student both to be enrolled in a federally recognized tribe and to be of at least one-quarter Native American descent (equivalent to one grandparent), attested to by a Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB) card issued by the federal government."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native...s#21st_century

Some of the tribes go right down to 1/32nd. :msncrazy:

smileygreebins 29.11.2017 18:16

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Had to google SJW. Social Justice Warrior. Sigh. More acronyms to mess up my head. More labels to remember.

omtatsat 29.11.2017 19:22

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She does not just marry Harry. She marries into the complete bunch of royal " loonys "!

Treverus 29.11.2017 21:23

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st2lemans 29.11.2017 22:04

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Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 2880193)
Don't know what it is for other races, but on a Federal level Native Americans have to be 1/4 of the bloodline.

Black is 1/32, so Meghan is legally black, not mixed. :eek:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

Tom

Blueangel 29.11.2017 23:35

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Originally Posted by smileygreebins (Post 2880249)
Had to google SJW. Social Justice Warrior. Sigh. More acronyms to mess up my head. More labels to remember.

Don't worry about it dear. I went for ages wondering why Sarah Jessica Parker was getting so many mentions, and why she'd changed her name. :msnblush:

Blueangel 30.11.2017 00:12

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Originally Posted by Reb77Br (Post 2880136)
... how they are labelled by others and what box they are expected to tick on the form.

Hopefully, they are labelled as people, and as for those damned boxes, I've refused to tick them for over 30yrs now. some companies get their knickers in a twist over my refusal, but stuff them. My race has nothing whatsoever to do with 99% of transactions with the people that ask that question, so stuff the lot of them.

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Blueangel - interesting point re being so far down the line it becomes lost and forgotten. But how does it?
The majority of people in Europe only know that last 2 or 3 generations of their ancestry. The tv show, 'Who Do You Think You Are?' being a prime example of this.

If you delve into genealogy, the secrets and lies all come tumbling out, like my great great grandmother. She was a proper rum bugger ;) She was a a widowed, 42yr old owner of a mineral water bottling factory when she met a 23yr old German Jewish lad who was the heir to a ginger beer factory, at a bottled pop convention in Manchester (how utterly glamourous). She married him when she was 6mths pregnant with my great grandmother. That family secret was very well buried. :D

When you look at the history of Moors in Spain, Italy and Greece, then consider Shakespearean references and paintings of that era, you realise that there were quite a number of non-white people in the UK. One of my black mates at college could trace his ancestry in the UK back to the 1720's, which is a hell of a lot further back than most of my lot. But no matter how the genetics is watered down over the generations, there's always the chance of, what used to be known as, 'a genetic throwback'. There were quite a few cases in S.A. of kids being adopted out because they were "too dark skinned" to fit in with the rest of their family. There's even been cases of biracial twins.

Genetics is a wonderful and fascinating thing that's full of surprises.

omtatsat 30.11.2017 07:53

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If he wants to do anything good he should renounce his titles and go to Amerika and let her lead a normal life. Fock the monarchy!!
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Originally Posted by LaTee (Post 2880376)
I think its great news. They seem very happy and that is the main thing. Fair play to them :msnnerd:


smileygreebins 30.11.2017 08:26

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Originally Posted by Blueangel (Post 2880373)

If you delve into genealogy, the secrets and lies all come tumbling out, like my great great grandmother. She was a proper rum bugger... That family secret was very well buried. :D



Ditto. My family would have you believe we're Brits & Scots through and through. But my brother's skin color and nose shape is totally wrong. When I raised it as a kid with a great grandmother, the rest of the family were too quick to shush me and herd me out of the room.....only years later did I find out someone had been very naughty out of wedlock, and despite the options for dilution over generations, my brother is the living throwback proof.

omtatsat 30.11.2017 09:11

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" rum bugger ". Could explain your own tentencies then
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Originally Posted by Blueangel (Post 2880373)
Hopefully, they are labelled as people, and as for those damned boxes, I've refused to tick them for over 30yrs now. some companies get their knickers in a twist over my refusal, but stuff them. My race has nothing whatsoever to do with 99% of transactions with the people that ask that question, so stuff the lot of them.

The majority of people in Europe only know that last 2 or 3 generations of their ancestry. The tv show, 'Who Do You Think You Are?' being a prime example of this.

If you delve into genealogy, the secrets and lies all come tumbling out, like my great great grandmother. She was a proper rum bugger ;) She was a a widowed, 42yr old owner of a mineral water bottling factory when she met a 23yr old German Jewish lad who was the heir to a ginger beer factory, at a bottled pop convention in Manchester (how utterly glamourous). She married him when she was 6mths pregnant with my great grandmother. That family secret was very well buried. :D

When you look at the history of Moors in Spain, Italy and Greece, then consider Shakespearean references and paintings of that era, you realise that there were quite a number of non-white people in the UK. One of my black mates at college could trace his ancestry in the UK back to the 1720's, which is a hell of a lot further back than most of my lot. But no matter how the genetics is watered down over the generations, there's always the chance of, what used to be known as, 'a genetic throwback'. There were quite a few cases in S.A. of kids being adopted out because they were "too dark skinned" to fit in with the rest of their family. There's even been cases of biracial twins.

Genetics is a wonderful and fascinating thing that's full of surprises.



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