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Old 16.04.2018, 19:29
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Re: What's Happening to Sweden?

Sweden’s violent reality is undoing a peaceful self-image

Scathing article about the state of Sweden.
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Old 16.04.2018, 21:59
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Sweden’s violent reality is undoing a peaceful self-image

Scathing article about the state of Sweden.
Scathing but not factual.

It states "Sweden has gone from being a low-crime country to having homicide rates significantly above the Western European average." without quoting any sources!
Sweden is usually classed as being in Northern Europe?

Countries with higher murder rates than Sweden in Northern Europe are Estonia, Finland, Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania.
Countries with higher murder rates than Sweden in Western Europe are Belgium and France.

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Looking at this EU graph the Swedish murder rate does not look significantly high?
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Scathing but not factual.

It states "Sweden has gone from being a low-crime country to having homicide rates significantly above the Western European average." without quoting any sources!
Sweden is usually classed as being in Northern Europe?

Countries with higher murder rates than Sweden in Northern Europe are Estonia, Finland, Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania.
Countries with higher murder rates than Sweden in Western Europe are Belgium and France.

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Looking at this EU graph the Swedish murder rate does not look significantly high?
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It depends. How have it increased since the mass immigration to Sweden?
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Old 16.04.2018, 23:40
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It depends. How have it increased since the mass immigration to Sweden?
From the link that kriss kross posted "The overall drop in homicides has been, however, far smaller in Sweden than in neighboring countries."

So dropping, not increasing.
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Old 17.04.2018, 00:10
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Scathing but not factual.

It states "Sweden has gone from being a low-crime country to having homicide rates significantly above the Western European average." without quoting any sources!
Sweden is usually classed as being in Northern Europe?

Countries with higher murder rates than Sweden in Northern Europe are Estonia, Finland, Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania.
Countries with higher murder rates than Sweden in Western Europe are Belgium and France.

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Looking at this EU graph the Swedish murder rate does not look significantly high?
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Nice post.. however

The article makes a statement about 2017, how can the numbers from previous years contradict this?

It does not say that Sweden belongs to Western Europe, it only compares to it. (and depending on which definition one wants to use it could even be Western Europe)
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Old 17.04.2018, 00:18
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Nice post.. however

The article makes a statement about 2017, how can the numbers from previous years contradict this?

It does not say that Sweden belongs to Western Europe, it only compares to it. (and depending on which definition one wants to use it could even be Western Europe)
The article makes a statement about 2017, without giving any sources because 2017 numbers are not available yet
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The article makes a statement about 2017, without giving any sources because 2017 numbers are not available yet
Sweden 2017: 113

https://www.bra.se/bra-in-english/ho...slaughter.html

I'm certain that if one wants to the other countries can be easily found.
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Old 17.04.2018, 00:44
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Sweden 2017: 113

https://www.bra.se/bra-in-english/ho...slaughter.html

I'm certain that if one wants to the other countries can be easily found.
I look forward to you providing the Western Europe numbers.

Your link confirms the number of murders per 100,000 in Sweden has decreased since 2015.
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Old 17.04.2018, 03:07
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I look forward to you providing the Western Europe numbers.

Your link confirms the number of murders per 100,000 in Sweden has decreased since 2015.
Netherlands 159 during 2017, the rest I am not going to look up since I do not care about them
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Old 17.04.2018, 10:14
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From the link that kriss kross posted "The overall drop in homicides has been, however, far smaller in Sweden than in neighboring countries."

So dropping, not increasing.
Goodness, looking at those numbers is scary. We're lucky in Europe.....look at Honduras and Brazil, Philippines, Pakistan or Venezuela....
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Old 17.04.2018, 10:35
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Goodness, looking at those numbers is scary. We're lucky in Europe.....look at Honduras and Brazil, Philippines, Pakistan or Venezuela....
Keep importing people from there and they will bring that with them.


Gun homicides in Sweden :


Percentage stating they were victims of sexual crime 2005-2016, BRÅ NTU (Swedish government stats) :
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Old 17.04.2018, 11:03
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Re: What's Happening to Sweden?

Even countries surrounding Sweden see it as a joke

The rising levels of violence have not gone unnoticed by Sweden’s Scandinavian neighbors. Norwegians commonly use the phrase “Swedish conditions” to describe crime and social unrest. The view from Denmark was made clear when former President of NATO and Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen said in an interview on Swedish TV: “I often use Sweden as a deterring example.”
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Old 17.04.2018, 11:34
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Re: What's Happening to Sweden?

They're being mocked widely in the Nordics for the same inability to deal with the facts that is lauded on this forum :

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Re: What's Happening to Sweden?

The problem with long-term comparison of Swedish (sex) crime numbers lies in the fact that the goalposts have been moved repeatedly.

In 2005, certain sexual offenses (sexual coercion and exploitation) were reclassified as rape. In 2013 cases where the victim reacts passively were reclassified as rape. Obviously even if nothing else had changed this would have led to an increase.

Furthermore, in a case that involves multiple acts each act is classified as one crime.

And there is of course the general issue:
Inclination to report an incident in the first place. Given recent trends it seems pretty certain that the inclination to report has kept increasing.
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The problem with long-term comparison of Swedish (sex) crime numbers lies in the fact that the goalposts have been moved repeatedly.

In 2005, certain sexual offenses (sexual coercion and exploitation) were reclassified as rape. In 2013 cases where the victim reacts passively were reclassified as rape. Obviously even if nothing else had changed this would have led to an increase.

Furthermore, in a case that involves multiple acts each act is classified as one crime.

And there is of course the general issue:
Inclination to report an incident in the first place. Given recent trends it seems pretty certain that the inclination to report has kept increasing.
Except that was not what was stated above - from the Swedish governmental office this is self-reported sex crime - so hence not subject to any of the confounding factors you state.
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Old 17.04.2018, 17:39
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Except that was not what was stated above - from the Swedish governmental office this is self-reported sex crime - so hence not subject to any of the confounding factors you state.
It is the Government who classifies crime reports as misdemeanours or sex crimes or rape or whatever, not the person who reports the crime
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It is the Government who classifies crime reports as misdemeanours or sex crimes or rape or whatever, not the person who reports the crime
From the very first line of the government link :

In the Swedish Crime Survey (Nationella trygghetsundersökningen - NTU), 2.4 per cent of the population (16 – 79 years of age), corresponding to approximately 181,000 persons, state that they had been exposed to sex offences in 2016. This is an increase as compared with 2015, when 1.7 per cent stated that they had been exposed.



You are familiar with the concept of a "survey" I take it or should I explain that to you as well ?
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Old 17.04.2018, 18:00
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From the very first line of the government link :

In the Swedish Crime Survey (Nationella trygghetsundersökningen - NTU), 2.4 per cent of the population (16 – 79 years of age), corresponding to approximately 181,000 persons, state that they had been exposed to sex offences in 2016. This is an increase as compared with 2015, when 1.7 per cent stated that they had been exposed.



You are familiar with the concept of a "survey" I take it or should I explain that to you as well ?
Are you familiar with the concept "sex offences" and the Swedish definition of that term?

From the link; It is important to note that sex offences comprise a broad spectrum of offences – everything from minor incidents, such as indecent exposure, to very serious incidents, such as rape.

And supporting Urs Max point "in a case that involves multiple acts each act is classified as one crime." from the link;
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