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What's Happening to Sweden?

It used to be so peaceful there, now they might need to call in the army to take the streets back?

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“It would not be my first option to bring in the military, but I am prepared to do whatever is necessary to make sure that serious, organized crime is stamped out,” Lofven told news agency TT.
The government has promised police an extra 7.1 billion crowns ($880 million) through 2020, toughened laws on gun crimes and made it easier for the police to monitor private phone calls and emails, among other measures.
But a report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention shows increasing numbers of Swedes worried about crime with confidence falling in the police and the judicial system.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN1F629L



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A survey released on Thursday suggests that police officers are facing increased threats and violence. The Swedish Police Union told Radio Sweden that criminal gangs have created a "parallel society".


Anna Nelberg Dennis, the vice chair of the Swedish Police Union that commissioned the survey, said that it has become more and more common for gangs of young people attack police officers in certain areas.
"I think it's part of a change in society, where in socially vulnerable areas, gangs have created parallel societies where they take the law into their own hands," she said. "[The gangs] believe that police shouldn't be there because they rule the area. This is something that the police can't solve themselves.”

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel...rtikel=6729101

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Until fairly recently, Sweden was admired for its progressive social policies. Today, one in seven voters supports the Sweden Democrats, a populist party until recently reviled in polite Swedish society....It may be news to the rest of the world, but gang warfare has been a feature of our country for years now. ...A parallel society is emerging where the state’s monopoly on law and order is being challenged. ‘Today, the gang environment is — well, I don’t want to exactly call it the Wild West, but something in that direction,’ says Amir Rostami, an authority on Swedish organised crime who teaches at Stockholm University....‘If you are not prepared, you are unprepared.’ These are the words of Fredrik Reinfeldt, our former prime minister, and perfectly sum up Sweden’s migration crisis.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/...e-immigration/

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Sweden has a disease called socialism.
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Re: What's Happening to Sweden?

Sweden has issues with heavy segregation. This is what happens when you put all the poor refugees in the same neighborhoods.
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Re: What's Happening to Sweden?

Sounds like Sweden is turning into a bit of a shithole
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ETA: Actually, the Spectator article was from Sept 2016.

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ETA: Actually, the Spectator article was from Sept 2016.
Elections to be held this year. Result will be interesting.
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Elections to be held this year. Result will be interesting.
Yeah, with one in seven voters polling their support it should be knife-edge stuff.
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Yeah, with one in seven voters polling their support it should be knife-edge stuff.
You’re right. Just another European country facing enormous immigration where a right wing populist party will finish in the top three again. Nothing to see here.
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Re: What's Happening to Sweden?

In the city of Mälmo (with a heavy migrant population) people are pretty much living in fear, school had to shut down, a police station was bombed there yesterday.... It's really amazing that this is happening in Sweden A year or so ago when Trump made comments about Sweden and "no-go zones" he was mocked by the liberal media Of course the media on both sides will twist stories to fit their narrative, but I think it should be clear to everyone that there is a problem going on in Sweden right now.

I would be interested to hear some opinions and feelings from any Swedish ex-pats. From the ones I have talked to personally, they always seem kind of nervous to broach the topic of migration, like they aren't allowed to correlate refugees and crime, like it's a taboo topic

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According to the report, 78 percent of Malmö citizens said they were worried about becoming a victim of crime, up from 77 percent last year. And 39 percent reported feeling unsafe if they were out alone late in the evening, up from 36 percent.
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel...rtikel=6835522

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The situation at Värner Rydénskolan school in Malmö has become too dangerous for students and staff. Now the safety committee of the teachers' union has decided to close the middle school in the Rosengård neighborhood because of violence and criminality.
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel...rtikel=6105706

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A blast rocked a police station in the Malmö district of Rosengård on Wednesday night.

"It was so loud. We were all scared," says Awa Sawe, who works in the area. "Even right now I'm walking, but I'm very scared."
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel...rtikel=6865115
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Re: What's Happening to Sweden?

Reported rapes in Sweden also up 10% in 2017.
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Reported rapes in Sweden also up 10% in 2017.
Sweden has had consistently higher rates of rape compared to the rest of Europe because of its broader definition of rape, though.

A quick look through stats shows that goes back to 1996.

I thought that was common knowledge.



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Sweden has had consistently higher rates of rape compared to the rest of Europe because of its broader definition of rape, though.

A quick look through stats shows that goes back to 1996.

I thought that was common knowledge.

Julian Assange could relate to this
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Re: What's Happening to Sweden?

You sure gave me a fright! I know a Yuusuf Warsame of that age who moved on to Sweden from here a few years ago with his family!
Some research proved it was not him. No, I do not feel any better still.

I saw nowhere that they know who killed the boy? A Somali (tourist!) gets killed and it's the Somali's fault? Could we wait for the result of the investigation?

How can there be no-go-zones for Swedes and police? How can a governement of an European country allow - or maybe even cause - ghettoization?

It is been long known that Sweden welcomed Somalis more than other countries. If those numbers are correct, there are 63,853 Somalis living in Sweden (2016), while Germany for example had "only" 33'900 (end 2016). Switzerland had 3900 living here at that time. (German numbers you find in the same link, in German, sorry). Considering that Sweeden has a bit more than 1 million more inhabitants than Switzerland, the difference is grave.

Yes, something went terribly wrong in Sweden but I would really like to know what. Can it be simply put down to the amount of immigrants? I'm not sure it's that simple.

Btw. I wouldn't want to be filmed either. I might not beat them up but I would make sure they don't/don't use their footage. And those people who are in the news all over the world already - and many of them not rightly - have all the more reason not wanting to be filmed. That just as a side-note.
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Sweden has had consistently higher rates of rape compared to the rest of Europe because of its broader definition of rape, though.

A quick look through stats shows that goes back to 1996.

I thought that was common knowledge.



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Sounds like Sweden is turning into a bit of a shithole
It's only mid January and this is already the word of 2018
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I hope it doesn't, because it's something that needs to be honestly looked at and dealt with. Partisan politics just degrades into brawling, which isn't good for anyone really. This forum is open to all forms of ideas, opinions, etc.

But I think the link is clear, and it seems to be happening again and again in many European countries: uncontrolled migration -> crime spirals out of control -> Army/police presence needed -> Right wing "anti-immigrant" parties gain traction

Sweden seems to be a little bit of a special case to me, because of it's reputation as managing to be a safe place and welcoming to foreigners at the same time, but this has gone down very quickly in the last couple of years. Sweden is changing.
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I hope it doesn't, because it's something that needs to be honestly looked at and dealt with. Partisan politics just degrades into brawling, which isn't good for anyone really. This forum is open to all forms of ideas, opinions, etc.

But I think the link is clear, and it seems to be happening again and again in many European countries: uncontrolled migration -> crime spirals out of control -> Army/police presence needed -> Right wing "anti-immigrant" parties gain traction

Sweden seems to be a little bit of a special case to me, because of it's reputation as managing to be a safe place and welcoming to foreigners at the same time, but this has gone down very quickly in the last couple of years. Sweden is changing.
We had all that in British inner cities in the 1980's thanks to social inequality and a deliberate governmental policy of managed decline. Marginalise people and society ends up with riots. There‘ll always be a criminal enterprise willing to fill the vacuum. What's the solution? blame the immigrants Be prepared and address inequality. Thriving communities don‘t riot.
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How can there be no-go-zones for Swedes and police? How can a governement of an European country allow - or maybe even cause - ghettoization?


Yes, something went terribly wrong in Sweden but I would really like to know what. Can it be simply put down to the amount of immigrants? I'm not sure it's that simple.
Let me try. People from the same backgrounds tend to want to stick together really it´s as simple as that, just take a look at the Ex-pat bubbles in CH, the same principals apply, however instead of a relatively wealthy, well educated and intelligent group you get people from "shithole" countries, aka "failed states" remember these are people without any useful skills what so ever. They simply can´t compete with the local population and that shows, it´s not the doctors and engineers who are coming, people with whom you can hold debate with and who have at least a chance of integration. it´s the lowest common denominator, those who have no future in their own countries, people for whom violence is the answer to each and every question because they do not know any other way.
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And if you think it´s bad now, wait until the second and third generation appear, just need to look at Germanys hard core third and fourth generation Turkish immigrants.
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We had all that in British inner cities in the 1980's thanks to social inequality and a deliberate governmental policy of managed decline. Marginalise people and society ends up with riots. There‘ll always be a criminal enterprise willing to fill the vacuum. What's the solution? blame the immigrants Be prepared and address inequality. Thriving communities don‘t riot.
But how does a country (like Sweden) allow in massive numbers of migrants, the majority of who are not skilled workers or speak the local language...and then expect them to "flourish and thrive"? In reality, they end up living on social welfare, and moving into the same neighborhood to be with other people from their country, which then even further reduces their integration prospects. So really, the only result possible from mass immigration is cities like Mälmo where crime is out of control and people live in fear.

....at least that's my view. How would you address the "inequality"?
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