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Re: Brexit (and other UK stuff) information roadshow in Swizterland

No, sorry. I don't have any information on that. It is likely still part of the negotiations.
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Re: Brexit (and other UK stuff) information roadshow in Swizterland

As I understand it, EU citizens moving to the UK during the transitional period will have the same rights as they would have enjoyed previously. So I presume that this will be reciprocated to Brits moving to EU countries, and Switzerland, during this period.

Perhaps, in 3 or 4 years time, I'll be weeping in the gutter at my naivety and complacency, but I don't expect that much to change between CH and the UK. Technically, the UK will be lumped in with other non-EU nations, but the two countries have a mutual respect: very strong trading ties, much tourism, and long-standing scientific and educational links. We have no antipathy towards each other, but we share a mild, semi-serious disdain for Germany and France. (And they for us, no doubt.)

Above all, Brits speak English as a first language, and this seems to be our most valuable export by far. Hard to see that legislated out of existence by EU regulations.
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Perhaps, in 3 or 4 years time, I'll be weeping in the gutter at my naivety and complacency, but I don't expect that much to change between CH and the UK. .
I really think you'll do. But this what a piece of paper called "passport" does to people, it's not your fault. And in all honesty, it won't affect anyone who's already here in the least, why should you guys worry...
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Old 15.04.2018, 11:33
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So I presume that this will be reciprocated to Brits moving to EU countries, and Switzerland, during this period.
Switzerland is not an EU or EEA member so it will require a separate agreement and Iíd expect to see the SVP kick off on it to start with. Norway has also said that if the U.K. get a better deal then they want to renegotiate too...

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Above all, Brits speak English as a first language, and this seems to be our most valuable export by far. Hard to see that legislated out of existence by EU regulations.
The opposit, it will have to be legislated for. Under the current rules English will no longer be a working language of the EU after the UK leaves as no member state supports itís use. So something will have to happen there.
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Aren't you forgetting Ireland Jim2007? English is their main language, with Irish Gaelic - which will never be an EU language - in 2nd place.

Brits do not come to live in Switzerland in great numbers, and the number will likely decrease anyway after the end of the Transition Period, so the SVP have surely got better things to do than be unpleasant to Brits. I would have thought that asylum seekers and Eastern Europeans would be more their areas of dislike...... Larger numbers of them coming, which means it is easier to whip-up sentiment against them to get votes.......

My main concern is that a Brit, like myself, moving to Switzerland during the Transition Period, would be subject to the existing Work/Residency Permit system? I.E. - I could come as a Tourist, find work within 3 months, or 6 if I needed to obtain an extension, managed to obtain a 5-year B Permit which would entitle me to live and work in Switzerland for at least 5 years, then what would happen after the end of the Transition Period? Would an existing 5-year B Permit be cut to 1 year at that point, or would it be allowed to run for the full 5 years until it needed to be renewed, then the 3rd country 1-year B Permit rule would take effect? Ideally, what I would like to do is try and work towards a C Permit, if that would be possible in the long run?

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I really think you'll do. But this what a piece of paper called "passport" does to people, it's not your fault. And in all honesty, it won't affect anyone who's already here in the least, why should you guys worry...
But would "anyone who's already here" include people who arrive during the Transition Period, and what would happen to them afterwards?

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Old 15.04.2018, 17:21
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But would "anyone who's already here" include people who arrive during the Transition Period, and what would happen to them afterwards?
At the Zurich Roadshow, the ambassador was asked the question regarding employment rights after 2020, and she didn't know the answer. I believe it's something that they're looking into, but she didn't appear to be fully aware of the Swiss & EU1, EU2, and Non EU hiring criteria in Switzerland.

She was also asked about onward movement to another EU country post 2020 and said that as we currently stand, that wouldn't be allowed.
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Old 15.04.2018, 17:35
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Aren't you forgetting Ireland Jim2007? English is their main language, with Irish Gaelic - which will never be an EU language - in 2nd place.
Nope, neither Ireland nor Malta have chosen English. Since 2007 Gaelic is the 23rd official language of the EU. And while the Irish constitution acknowledges both languages, Gaelic is the first official language, mean if there is any dispute over laws etc.. the Gaelic form prevails.

I can't see either Ireland nor Malta chancing their minds, so something else will have to be done. Probably removing the requirement that a language must have the support of at least one state.
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Old 15.04.2018, 17:41
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Brits do not come to live in Switzerland in great numbers, and the number will likely decrease anyway after the end of the Transition Period, so the SVP have surely got better things to do than be unpleasant to Brits.
The SVP will use any opportunity they can to try and create a breach of the bilateral agreement. It will be about the fact that they'd have to give the same options to other third countries, the EU taking control over them etc...
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Re: Brexit (and other UK stuff) information roadshow in Swizterland

If anyone could attend the Zug meeting and press the UK ambassador on this point from the Vaduz meeting?:

5. UK/Swiss arrangements in the future are likely to be dependent on - or at least decided in light of - the UK/EU agreement, but both CH and UK have a strong interest in achieving some form of bilateral agreement, particularly on FOM

Given Jim2007's points earlier, I am very interested to know what the Swiss authorities motive for some kind of deal on UK - CH FOM is, unless they are trying to push the UK's negotiators into climbing-down on FOM post-Brexit?

The latter outcome is not out of the question, given these developments on the UK side:

http://https://www.bloomberg.com/new...it-trade-talks

http://http://uk.businessinsider.com...-policy-2018-4

http://https://www.standard.co.uk/ne...-a3805711.html

http://https://www.mirror.co.uk/news...ntial-12274539

http://https://www.thesun.co.uk/news...it-trade-deal/

It would seem that economic/social reality has dawned on a good chunk of the Cabinet, and that May's obsession with controlling immigration is the main reason for the anti-FOM red line on the Single Market.
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Nope, neither Ireland nor Malta have chosen English. Since 2007 Gaelic is the 23rd official language of the EU. And while the Irish constitution acknowledges both languages, Gaelic is the first official language, mean if there is any dispute over laws etc.. the Gaelic form prevails.

I can't see either Ireland nor Malta chancing their minds, so something else will have to be done. Probably removing the requirement that a language must have the support of at least one state.
Yes, Malta chose Maltese even though most commercial contracts or mortgage papers and much more are only in English.
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The opposit, it will have to be legislated for. Under the current rules English will no longer be a working language of the EU after the UK leaves as no member state supports itís use. So something will have to happen there.
I would LOVE it if the EU were to jettison English as an official language after Brexit. Could there be a more succinct example of how ludicrous the EU is?

"90% of our politicians and civil servants converse with each other in English but out of principle and due to our treaties English is no longer an official EU language"

Even the EU can't be that dumb though.
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I would LOVE it if the EU were to jettison English as an official language after Brexit. Could there be a more succinct example of how ludicrous the EU is?

"90% of our politicians and civil servants converse with each other in English but out of principle and due to our treaties English is no longer an official EU language"

Even the EU can't be that dumb though.
Yeah, it makes absolutely zero sense and would be cutting their noses off to spite their faces and making a fool out of their own legislation. Pretty much all of eastern and western Europe are taught English as a second language and that is hardly going to change to German or French any time soon. More people seem to speak French outside of Europe than in it.
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Old 16.04.2018, 08:51
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Switzerland is not an EU or EEA member so it will require a separate agreement and I’d expect to see the SVP kick off on it to start with. Norway has also said that if the U.K. get a better deal then they want to renegotiate too...
My point is that CH does a huge amount of trade with the UK and neither wants to stop that, so good relations seem certain to continue, including tailored rules for employment. Among Remainers, it seems to be an assumption, a fear, even a hope, that traditional friends and strong trading partners will suddenly want to walk away from long-standing arrangements. I’m sure even the SVP will want Switzerland to continue selling Swiss products to the UK and importing English expertise. As one SVP type said to me darkly: "It's not the British who are the problem for us".

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Under the current rules English will no longer be a working language of the EU after the UK leaves as no member state supports it’s use. So something will have to happen there.
That’s an absurd point. English is the lingua franca of the EU, of science, of academia, and of business. It’s also listed by the EU itself as official languages of Ireland and Malta, so I don’t accept that "no member supports its use". That’s a desperate claim. The idea that English will no longer be in demand through the continent is ridiculous. This vital raw material is actually the UK's most durable and lucrative export, and will be for a long time to come.
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one thing the EU should have done was push for a single european language and standarised on English.
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Even the EU can't be that dumb though.
I'll see your 'dumb' and raise you 'dumber':

"EU enacts law to regulate the color of potato and grain-based foods with the aim of protecting public from high cooking temperatures"

http://notrickszone.com/2018/04/15/e....1nY8LYJK.dpbs

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I'll see your 'dumb' and raise you 'dumber':

"EU enacts law to regulate the color of potato and grain-based foods with the aim of protecting public from high cooking temperatures"

http://notrickszone.com/2018/04/15/e....1nY8LYJK.dpbs

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A nice story except it's basically a hopeless exaggeration plus a decent number of lies..

The actual regulation is here.
The point is to reduce (not eliminate) acrylamide levels - acrylamide being a suspected carcinogen according to both EU and US authorities. The regulation comes as a result of pressure from consumer and health organisations.
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Thatís an absurd point. English is the lingua franca of the EU, of science, of academia, and of business. Itís also listed by the EU itself as official languages of Ireland and Malta, so I donít accept that "no member supports its use". Thatís a desperate claim. The idea that English will no longer be in demand through the continent is ridiculous. This vital raw material is actually the UK's most durable and lucrative export, and will be for a long time to come.
Go to the EU website and if you can find any country other than the UK having declared English as it's working language. Get back to us.
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Ambassador Jane Owen, provides a video update to UK Nationals living in Switzerland and Liechtenstein about the EU exit process.

Published 28 August 2018
From:British Embassy Berne

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...-liechtenstein
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New roadshows planned for 2019

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Booked my tickets for Zurich one hour before the vote was postponed to probably after the zurich one.
Did anyone else notice that the deadline for the vote was the day before Davos WEF?
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