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kriss kross 22.02.2018 12:52

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Originally Posted by Sandgrounder (Post 2913480)
So you agree that being concerned with your own situation as a UK citizen in relation to Brexit is not, therefore, "arrogant" just because you live outside of the UK? :msnsarcastic:

Being concerned with your own situation in relation to Brexit, even though you do not live in the UK, is not arrogant.

But I also think that saying that because you are a UK expat you are more impacted (not negatively or positively, simply impacted) by Brexit than the residents who live their is arrogant.

Blueangel 22.02.2018 13:08

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And in this thread, seeing that you're Australian, you opinion is utterly irrelevant. You're just trolling people who don't usually debate these matters on the forum because they are more private in their opinions. If ypou want to debate other issues, then please do so in the appropriate thread.

Sandgrounder 22.02.2018 13:16

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Originally Posted by kriss kross (Post 2913486)
But I also think that saying that because you are a UK expat you are more impacted (not negatively or positively, simply impacted) by Brexit than the residents who live there is arrogant.

Even if it's true? :confused:

For you to say that UK expats AREN'T as affected as resident Brits is, by comparison, pretty arrogant, not to mention dumb.

newtoswitz 22.02.2018 13:20

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Originally Posted by kriss kross (Post 2913472)
Never said her vote or opinion was less valid than anyone living in the UK.

I said the people who live and work in the UK would be, at least, equally impacted by Brexit.

Now you're saying that UK expats might be more negatively impacted, which might well be the case, the same as Brits in the UK may be more positively impacted.

Sorry but that's complete nonsense.

It's like saying that people in England were impacted as much as people in Scotland by the devolution and possible independence decisions.

The direct impact on most people living in the UK is some different taxes on imported goods (since most won't care about exports), a change to the legal structure which hardly any understand correctly and has far less importance than they think, and possibly a bit more hassle going on holiday.

The direct impact on British people in Europe is potentially losing the right to work and live there (or at least making retaining that right significantly more difficult), more difficulty retaining financial and legal ties to the UK.

The indirect impact on exchange rates, flows of goods etc is minimal if you live, earn and consume in the UK; but if you're an expat with cross-border ties it's very different.

Chuff 22.02.2018 13:22

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Originally Posted by newtoswitz (Post 2913164)
Indeed - but we're also people who are impacted much more by Brexit than people in the UK, and in most cases have a more rounded and detailed view of it.

Lets be realistic, British expats in Switzerland are not going to be affected anywhere near as much as British residents. It doesn't even make any logical sense to think so.

Brexit will impact wages, cost of goods, jobs, living conditions etc etc and that is what British residents will experience. Us expats are living within a different economy and political system and are extremely cushioned from the impacts of Brexit by that.

TobiasM 22.02.2018 13:26

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 2913498)
Lets be realistic, British expats in Switzerland are not going to be affected anywhere near as much as British residents. It doesn't even make any logical sense to think so.

Well, yes our families are, so yes, not more, not less but equally effected by this whole thing idiotic affair. I still haven't heard a solid truthful reason, politically or legally as to why Britain would be better off outside of the EU. Not one.

newtoswitz 22.02.2018 13:31

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 2913498)
Lets be realistic, British expats in Switzerland are not going to be affected anywhere near as much as British residents. It doesn't even make any logical sense to think so.

Brexit will impact wages, cost of goods, jobs, living conditions etc etc and that is what British residents will experience. Us expats are living within a different economy and political system and are extremely cushioned from the impacts of Brexit by that.

Maybe, but those impacts are pretty remote, and the financial/trade differences are those most likely to be resolved (or fudged) in some way.

Expats are much more likely to be impacted by the right to work or live in an EU country, which given our location is a significant thing.

For example, say one of my kids wants to go and work in France for six months - currently they can do that as a UK citizen, and they could do that as a Swiss citizen - but post-Brexit it's quite possible they can't so easily.

Chuff 22.02.2018 13:33

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Originally Posted by newtoswitz (Post 2913506)
Maybe, but those impacts are pretty remote, and the financial/trade differences are those most likely to be resolved (or fudged) in some way.

Expats are much more likely to be impacted by the right to work or live in an EU country, which given our location is a significant thing.

For example, say one of my kids wants to go and work in France for six months - currently they can do that as a UK citizen, and they could do that as a Swiss citizen - but post-Brexit it's quite possible they can't so easily.

The impacts of Brexit will be a lot more severe to the average British resident with a low salary than to your pampered children looking to get work experience in France.

If costs of goods rise, then salaries are not going to magically go up to compensate. Companies moving outside of London will potentially affect a lot of jobs.

newtoswitz 22.02.2018 13:38

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 2913507)
The impacts of Brexit will be a lot more severe to the average British resident with a low salary than to your pampered children looking to get work experience in France.

If costs of goods rise, then salaries are not going to magically go up to compensate. Companies moving outside of London will potentially affect a lot of jobs.

Ignoring the unecessary personal jibe - they voted for it:

https://twitter.com/GuardianData/sta...383872/photo/1

Sandgrounder 22.02.2018 13:40

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 2913507)
The impacts of Brexit will be a lot more severe to the average British resident with a low salary than to your pampered children looking to get work experience in France.

If costs of goods rise, then salaries are not going to magically go up to compensate. Companies moving outside of London will potentially affect a lot of jobs.



It also concerns Brits with interests (financial, property, ageing relatives, etc.) still in the UK.

I imagine this is the reason which has prompted these information roadshows. You know, people who are able to look beyond "pampered" expat kids. Why are kids wanting to expand their world view "pampered" anyway? Not all of them want to grow up to be bitter and insular tabloid-guzzling scaredy cats. :rolleyes:

NotAllThere 22.02.2018 13:48

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Originally Posted by Sandgrounder (Post 2913510)
It also concerns Brits with interests (financial, property, ageing relatives, etc.) still in the UK.

I imagine this is the reason which has prompted these information roadshows. You know, people who are able to look beyond "pampered" expat kids. Why are kids wanting to expand their world view "pampered" anyway? Not all of them want to grow up to be bitter and insular tabloid-guzzling scaredy cats. :rolleyes:

Maybe he thinks that all expat kids go to the expensive international schools. :rolleyes:

Chuff 22.02.2018 13:51

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Originally Posted by Sandgrounder (Post 2913510)
It also concerns Brits with interests (financial, property, ageing relatives, etc.) still in the UK.

I imagine this is the reason which has prompted these information roadshows. You know, people who are able to look beyond "pampered" expat kids. Why are kids wanting to expand their world view "pampered" anyway? Not all of them want to grow up to be bitter and insular tabloid-guzzling scaredy cats. :rolleyes:

Of course it concerns Brits with interests in the UK, self-explanatory, but newtoswitz clearly said that expats are more affected than residents, which is a highly unrealistic.

And yes, even without knowing them I would without any insult intended consider newtoswitz's kids living in Switzerland with access to the best schooling, infrastructure and transport in the Western hemisphere as "pampered" vs children in the average British family. But then this should be pretty self-explanatory, right?

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Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 2913514)
Maybe he thinks that all expat kids go to the expensive international schools. :rolleyes:

The standard of the average Swiss state school is very high. Can you same the same for Britain?

ZuriRollt 22.02.2018 14:14

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It also concerns Brits with interests (financial, property, ageing relatives, etc.) still in the UK.

Actually, I'm interested in knowing whether I can withdraw in-cash the Swiss vested pension assets built-up under my Swiss nationality over the past 30+ years if I 'officially' leave CH permanently to a non-EU country i.e. UK on my UK passport after Brexit.

Not expecting any answers, but still curious...

newtoswitz 22.02.2018 14:31

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Originally Posted by ZuriRollt (Post 2913535)
Actually, I'm interested in knowing whether I can withdraw in-cash the Swiss vested pension assets built-up under my Swiss nationality over the past 30+ years if I 'officially' leave CH permanently to a non-EU country i.e. UK on my UK passport after Brexit.

Not expecting any answers, but still curious...

It will depend on what rules are agreed - it isn't only EU, there are bilateral pension rules with a number of countries for this.

At the current rate of negotiation it looks like inheritance rules are going to be of more interest than pension rules :rolleyes:

ZuriRollt 22.02.2018 14:39

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Originally Posted by newtoswitz (Post 2913554)
It will depend on what rules are agreed - it isn't only EU, there are bilateral pension rules with a number of countries for this.

At the current rate of negotiation it looks like inheritance rules are going to be of more interest than pension rules :rolleyes:

Yes, many topics to agree on

Can't imagine that this roadshow will reap much benefit, but remain open minded

newtoswitz 22.02.2018 14:48

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Originally Posted by ZuriRollt (Post 2913563)
Yes, many topics to agree on

Can't imagine that this roadshow will reap much benefit, but remain open minded

Bear in mind current negotiation is with the EU - I guess Switzerland will come afterwards once they work out what needs to be untangled.

I further suspect that Switzerland will be more interested in picking up the bilateral EU negotiations that have stalled than dealing with Britain, so it could be a long wait.

ZuriRollt 22.02.2018 15:12

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Originally Posted by newtoswitz (Post 2913568)
Bear in mind current negotiation is with the EU - I guess Switzerland will come afterwards once they work out what needs to be untangled.

I further suspect that Switzerland will be more interested in picking up the bilateral EU negotiations that have stalled than dealing with Britain, so it could be a long wait.

Yes, existing EEA agreements will be interesting

MsWorWoo 22.02.2018 15:49

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Originally Posted by Belgianmum (Post 2913396)
I had posted this on the Brexit thread so hopefully some people saw it in time to be able to register for Bern or Geneva.

My husband is going to Bern this evening.

Thanks, I didn't see it because I gave up on that thread at around page 300 because of the constant bickering and sniping and people arguing the same point over and over again when they know that the other person is not going to change their minds and are just trying to get a rise......
I thought it would be nice to have a purely informative thread with no childish squabbles...... ;) ;) ;) ;)

ZuriRollt 22.02.2018 15:53

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Originally Posted by MsWorWoo (Post 2913635)
Thanks, I didn't see it because I gave up on that thread at around page 300 because of the constant bickering and sniping and people arguing the same point over and over again when they know that the other person is not going to change their minds and are just trying to get a rise......
I thought it would be nice to have a purely informative thread with no childish squabbles...... ;) ;) ;) ;)

Me too.

Ignored that thread, which is why I chose this one to find info. on my question

MsWorWoo 22.02.2018 15:55

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Originally Posted by ZuriRollt (Post 2913642)
Me too.

Ignored that thread, which is why I chose this one to find info. on my question

I wasn't (not) talking about you. ;)


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