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That, by my understanding, is a prohibition beyond that applied to third country nationals and is very disappointing if the EU is supposed to be positioning itself as the defender of citizens' rights.
Yes, that's how it reads. But that would exclude services provided by you in Greece to tourists or even foreign residents. That makes no sense, a bartender can't be expected to check people's nationality before serving them a beer, or a taxi driver that of his passengers. Heck, what would the driver be expected to do in case of mixed nationalities, kick out the kids but accept the grandparents?

So I would expect for the intention to be to exclude crossborder services instead. This would match nicely with the other points mentioned.
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Old 06.03.2018, 16:34
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Yes, that's how it reads. But that would exclude services provided by you in Greece to tourists or even foreign residents. That makes no sense, a bartender can't be expected to check people's nationality before serving them a beer, or a taxi driver that of his passengers. Heck, what would the driver be expected to do in case of mixed nationalities, kick out the kids but accept the grandparents?

So I would expect for the intention to be to exclude crossborder services instead. This would match nicely with the other points mentioned.
But a bartender would be employed; a UK taxi driver would be prohibited from providing the service unless resident. The whole self-employed frontier worker article seems to be impossible (given that IR35/Scheinarbeitnehmer stuff is already in place everywhere to cover IT consultants) as I can't think of a scenario where a self-employed frontier worker can exercise the rights under art. 23 section 2 if art. 32 applies.
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I registered for the Basel roadshow on the 7th March, will feedback after.
Just come back from the embassy roadshow at the lovely Volkshaus Basel nr Claraplatz. This was the third such event in the calendar after Bern and Geneva. Joining the Ambassador on stage was a lady from a European Union engagement taskforce (in Whitehall) who was able to answer wider questions on the BREXIT process.

As expected it was very general with both speakers pretty much reiterating what we already know. The ambassador spoke about the triangular relationship between UK, CH and EU explaining that some bilateral UK-CH deals were possible, but the majority would have to be worked out through the EU discussions. What she stressed time and again was the government priority on Citizen's Rights (Residency, frontier working, social care, recognition of qualifications etc..). And following the first phase agreement in December those Brits already in the EU+CH, and those EU+CH citizens in the UK should have their rights locked in post-Brexit (plus implementation period which concludes at the end of 2020). The major unknown of course is what happens if you want to live/work in another EU country after the 2020 IP. Another unknown is whether or not we will need visas to visit EU countries post Brexit and IP (which was one of the questions asked).

The Q&A session was pretty lively with some well received speeches on the folly of Brexit which the Ambassador received with a wry smile, but she did gamely try and extol the potential virtues of a post BREXIT future in terms of trade etc.. which is what you would expect from a diplomat. There was one particular audience member living in France and working here who explained that his French citizenship application had been knocked back by the authorities until after the BREXIT process. She was visibly irritated by that explaining that we were still EU members and France were therefore in breach of the rules (quelle surprise )

All in all it was worth going, the ambassador seems genuinely interested in the feedback and questions from the audience and her staff were taking notes which she promised to relay back to London.
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Re: Brexit (and other UK stuff) information roadshow in Swizterland

Couple of questions for you Castro. Was it all townhall format? Is there any time when you can discuss issues privately with one of the team? How long did it last?

Has anyone heard back about the Zurich roadshow yet? It's supposed to be next Tuesday.
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Couple of questions for you Castro. Was it all townhall format? Is there any time when you can discuss issues privately with one of the team? How long did it last?

Has anyone heard back about the Zurich roadshow yet? It's supposed to be next Tuesday.
Yes it was a town hall format and I would say we were about 100 to 150 in attendance. It went on for about 90 minutes, starting with a 15 min introductory statement from the Ambassador and then straight into Q&A.
For efficiency she took questions in bunches of 3 and then begin answering along with her BREXIT taskforce colleague.
Right at the end, her and her team made themselves available in the foyer for drinks and questions. I left pretty soon after so don't know how long they hung around for.
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Am I the only one to notice the spelling of Swizterland in the title?
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Couple of questions for you Castro. Was it all townhall format? Is there any time when you can discuss issues privately with one of the team? How long did it last?

Has anyone heard back about the Zurich roadshow yet? It's supposed to be next Tuesday.
I received an Email saying the venue will be announced two days before the event. I am not sure I will go though with such short notice and I will probably just be too angry to sit politely while being fed the same old BS.
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Full marks for observation. Now what do you see here?

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and her staff were taking notes which she promised to relay back to London.
Will those notes be under consideration (we‘ve lost the file) or under active consideration (we‘re trying to find the file)?
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Re: Brexit (and other UK stuff) information roadshow in Swizterland

I was also there and the only disappointment was the lack of Ferrero Rochers.

The Ambassador did a pretty good job given the circumstances and there were one or two interesting questions along with some where the people should really have done their research beforehand.

I was surprised how confident she was that the transition agreement was a pretty much a done deal already.
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The Ambassador did a pretty good job given the circumstances and there were one or two interesting questions along with some where the people should really have done their research beforehand.
I was the one who asked whether we would need a visa to shop in France and Germany? but my more intelligent question was about Guy Verhofstadt's suggestion that Brits might be able to apply for associate EU citizenship, however someone else pipped me to that question.
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I was the one who asked whether we would need a visa to shop in France and Germany? but my more intelligent question was about Guy Verhofstadt's suggestion that Brits might be able to apply for associate EU citizenship, however someone else pipped me to that question.
I doubt we would be required to have a Visa, we will just be stamped in and with contempt by the immigartion officers, and granted our 21 days. Overstays will be subject to a monetary penalty. I feel like my Passport will be the equivelent of a developing world country.
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I doubt we would be required to have a Visa, we will just be stamped in and with contempt by the immigartion officers, and granted our 21 days. Overstays will be subject to a monetary penalty. I feel like my Passport will be the equivelent of a developing world country.
Yes, they're going to set up passport check points within the Schengen zone on the off chance that UK citizens may nip across the boarder to Carrefour
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Yes, they're going to set up passport check points within the Schengen zone on the off chance that UK citizens may nip across the boarder to Carrefour
Well you take your chances, whenever I've been stopped by the German or French customs I've always been asked for my passport (and sometimes driving licence and car docs) and nothing warms the cockles of their hearts more than documents not in order. If you're lucky you might just get turned back to CH.
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Well you take your chances, whenever I've been stopped by the German or French customs I've always been asked for my passport (and sometimes driving licence and car docs) and nothing warms the cockles of their hearts more than documents not in order. If you're lucky you might just get turned back to CH.
I have crossed those borders hundreds of times and have never once been asked to show my passport by German or French customs. And besides, I'm 100% certain that any deal will not involve UK citizens requiring visas to enter Europe.
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I have crossed those borders hundreds of times and have never once been asked to show my passport by German or French customs. And besides, I'm 100% certain that any deal will not involve UK citizens requiring visas to enter Europe.
I've probably crossed a 1000 times in all the years I've lived here (I'm a member of a French flying club, shop in DE/FR weekly and regularly collect stuff from a German PO box). I've only been stopped a handful of times, but then I've been treated to the whole nine yards.

What you say is probably going to be part of a deal, but if there is a no deal BREXIT then all bets are off and we can assume the worst, which means no winging it or blagging it.
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I have crossed those borders hundreds of times and have never once been asked to show my passport by German or French customs. And besides, I'm 100% certain that any deal will not involve UK citizens requiring visas to enter Europe.
Not when you fly in mate. And as we were never part of Shengen I doubt once we leave we will be able to join Shengen. Fine if you never intend to return to the UK and travel back to a EU country via the UK. Of course we will be able to travel from Switzerland unhindered until we encounter an immigration officer.
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Not when you fly in mate. And as we were never part of Shengen I doubt once we leave we will be able to join Shengen. Fine if you never intend to return to the UK and travel back to a EU country via the UK. Of course we will be able to travel from Switzerland unhindered until we encounter an immigration officer.
If you have legal residence in a Schengen country, then entering Schengen for as long as you want will be no problem.
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Not when you fly in mate. And as we were never part of Shengen I doubt once we leave we will be able to join Shengen. Fine if you never intend to return to the UK and travel back to a EU country via the UK. Of course we will be able to travel from Switzerland unhindered until we encounter an immigration officer.
You fly into Switzerland nothing will change as you have a residence permit. You fly from Switzerland to another EU country then nothing will change as you're flying within Schengen and don't have to show your passport.
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I received an Email saying the venue will be announced two days before the event.
I've literally just received a reply confirming date, time and location, so check your inbox.
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