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Old 09.03.2018, 12:16
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You fly into Switzerland nothing will change as you have a residence permit.
Fine if you like queuing as they don't work on E-gates.
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You fly into Switzerland nothing will change as you have a residence permit. You fly from Switzerland to another EU country then nothing will change as you're flying within Schengen and don't have to show your passport.
Lets save this debate for the Brexit thread, but, yeah great, as I personally don't intend to be a lifelong resident in Switzerland. So while I am a UK resident of Switzerland with a UK passport, I might have the joy of unhindered transit in the Shengen zone, however if I choose to fly from the UK to another EU country, I will be subject to the same queues as non EU travellers. Which btw, that was my point.

And as I said I know we won't need visas, but we will still have to adehere to rules that will limit our stay in the EU.

Did you even vote in the Referndum Loz? I think I recall you mentioning you didn't.
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Old 09.03.2018, 12:42
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If you have legal residence in a Schengen country, then entering Schengen for as long as you want will be no problem.
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You fly into Switzerland nothing will change as you have a residence permit. You fly from Switzerland to another EU country then nothing will change as you're flying within Schengen and don't have to show your passport.
Yes it should be the case but then you obviously need to have your permit on you (where did I put it?? ).
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Old 09.03.2018, 12:43
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Fine if you like queuing as they don't work on E-gates.
Never seen any E-gates in Geneva, so something recently happened in ZH then? Last time I flew in & out of ZH I never showed a passport at all.
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Yes it should be the case but then you obviously need to have your permit on you (where did I put it?? ).
Probably not even necessary as the System will know, it's not as if travel will only be available to EU passport holders
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Lets save this debate for the Brexit thread, but, yeah great, as I personally don't intend to be a lifelong resident in Switzerland. So while I am a UK resident of Switzerland with a UK passport, I might have the joy of unhindered transit in the Shengen zone, however if I choose to fly from the UK to another EU country, I will be subject to the same queues as non EU travellers. Which btw, that was my point.

And as I said I know we won't need visas, but we will still have to adehere to rules that will limit our stay in the EU.

Did you even vote in the Referndum Loz? I think I recall you mentioning you didn't.
You are limited to the time you can stay in Switzerland without a job or Swiss spouse as it is. You also already have to queue on arrival from the UK in Europe for passport control due to the UK not being a member of Schengen. Nothing much will change.
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You are limited to the time you can stay in Switzerland without a job or Swiss spouse as it is. You also already have to queue on arrival from the UK in Europe for passport control due to the UK not being a member of Schengen. Nothing much will change.
I don't have to queue for as long, I am currently an EU passport holder, I go into a speedy queue, I don't have the same checks as a non EU citizen, regardless of the UK not being part of the Shengen agreement. You can keep being pedantic about it Loz, but this will hinder movement of UK citizen in Europe. Maybe not you as you while you are a Swiss resident, but if you leave Switzerland, then probably it will, unless some special agreement is reached, but that's not looking hopeful is it?

And living in Switzerland has little to do with being a UK citizen in the EU.
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Old 09.03.2018, 13:24
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Never seen any E-gates in Geneva, so something recently happened in ZH then? Last time I flew in & out of ZH I never showed a passport at all.
From September 2017. The last time I arrived at ZRH was late on a Saturday night, 4 weeks ago. There was only one manned border control open, so most people used the E-gates. The link's in German, but roughly (Google) translates as...

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From the end of September, Zurich cantonal police, together with Zurich Airport, are planning to launch an automatic control procedure with biometric identification, a report by the Zurich Tages-Anzeiger newspaper on Friday revealed. At eight so-called "Automated Border Control" (ABC) locks, arriving passengers must then insert their biometric passport into a scanner and place their face in a camera that is part of a biometric control system of the Dutch security technology provider Gemalto. ABC systems are also available at other European airports such as Amsterdam-Schiphol or London's Heathrow Airport.
https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meld...h-3825967.html
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I don't have to queue for as long, I am currently an EU passport holder, I go into a speedy queue, I don't have the same checks as a non EU citizen, regardless of the UK not being part of the Shengen agreement. You can keep being pedantic about it Loz, but this will hinder movement of UK citizen in Europe. Maybe not you as you while you are a Swiss resident, but if you leave Switzerland, then probably it will, unless some special agreement is reached, but that's not looking hopeful is it?

And living in Switzerland has little to do with being a UK citizen in the EU.
Maybe you can go to the roadshow and ask them to negotiate that the UK be included in the EU/Swiss queue
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From September 2017. The last time I arrived at ZRH was late on a Saturday night, 4 weeks ago. There was only one manned border control open, so most people used the E-gates. The link's in German, but roughly (Google) translates as...

https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meld...h-3825967.html
That makes sense as I have not flown via Zurich for about a year.
I have a squint & sometimes the E-gates don't work for me as I cant point both my eyes forward at the same time, although the software seems better more recently.
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Maybe you can go to the roadshow and ask them to negotiate that the UK be included in the EU/Swiss queue
That's actually how it's signed in Geneva
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That's actually how it's signed in Geneva
Yes, I had a photo of this somewhere and was going to include this in my post, but couldn't be bothered in the end.

I suspect that's probably how it will end up. It will be interesting to see if any of the EU countries introduce visa requirements for short stays. I can't imagine any real benefit of doing so, but who knows.
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I have a squint & sometimes the E-gates don't work for me as I cant point both my eyes forward at the same time, although the software seems better more recently.
Thankfully, the ones at Zurich are a far better model than the ones at Manchester. I didn't see anyone get 'rejected' and have to go through the manual border check, and the whole flight sailed through in a couple of minutes.
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Re: Brexit (and other UK stuff) information roadshow in Swizterland

There we go.

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I don't have to queue for as long, I am currently an EU passport holder, I go into a speedy queue, I don't have the same checks as a non EU citizen, regardless of the UK not being part of the Shengen agreement. You can keep being pedantic about it Loz, but this will hinder movement of UK citizen in Europe. Maybe not you as you while you are a Swiss resident, but if you leave Switzerland, then probably it will, unless some special agreement is reached, but that's not looking hopeful is it?

And living in Switzerland has little to do with being a UK citizen in the EU.
Let's have a bet. I bet you that after the negotiations are finished and the UK has left the EU that UK citizens moving* around Europe won't be hindered.

*By moving I mean for holidays, cross border shopping and the like
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Let's have a bet. I bet you that after the negotiations are finished and the UK has left the EU that UK citizens moving* around Europe won't be hindered.

*By moving I mean for holidays, cross border shopping and the like
I don't think we will be hindered in movement, (in contradiction to my previous post I know) however we will only have same rights to stay and work in EU countries as any other non-EU traveller, probably a 21 day tourist entry, without a visa! What about Brits that need to work in the EU, but are residents in the U.K.? Will they be allowed to work without a special work visa? I know you are against the EU Loz, but don't think this isn't going to change how many Brits currently live and work.

Especially as a Brexit Britain is suggesting that we cap and stop further EU work traffic into the UK. Its not one rule for us...

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Let's have a bet. I bet you that after the negotiations are finished and the UK has left the EU that UK citizens moving* around Europe won't be hindered.

*By moving I mean for holidays, cross border shopping and the like
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Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Ireland, Romania and the United
Kingdom are EU states that are not, or not yet, part of the
Schengen area. This means that a flight from one of these
states to a Schengen state is regarded as an external flight
and is subject to border checks. However, EU citizens have
the right to free movement when travelling within the EU,
regardless of whether the country is part of Schengen or
not. In principle, when entering a non-Schengen EU state,
EU citizens only undergo minimum checks to verify their
identities on the basis of travel documents (passport or
identity card)
https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/si...3111126_en.pdf

Add to this, there are a small number of places within Europe that are not members of the EU, EFTA or Euro zone, such as Andorra.
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There we go.
Perhaps they have been anticipating a Brexit for some time then
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Re: Brexit (and other UK stuff) information roadshow in Swizterland

Well that wasn't all that informative, but the U.K. Taxpayer put on a good bar beforehand, but as soon as the event started all the wine went back in the cupboard, austerity eh!

Highlight of the night was one of the first questions regarding a second referendum from a lady who claimed she had three degrees but failed to use her intellect to actually cast her vote, and who continued to rant about the media lies and the 350million NHS bus. She was totally shot down and told she should save it for the bar afterwards and that a second referendum won't be happening anytime soon.
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Re: Brexit (and other UK stuff) information roadshow in Swizterland

[quote removed] I did hear one guy ask for 2 glasses of red wine before going into the room, one for him and one for his wife. The waitress gave him the wine and asked "Where is your wife?" and he said "Dunno. Haven't see her for several years"

There was a guy sitting in front of me writing everything that was said in shorthand, so I expect a breakdown of the meeting to appear online soon.

Tobias M may correct me on this, but the one question that nobody seemed to have an answer for came from a cabin crew member asking if she would need 27 visas to do her job.

My highlight was the very last question. A guy asked the Ambassador what her regrets were about Brexit. Even though she toed the 'stay positive' line in most of her response, she did dip her toe over the line a little.

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I did hear one guy ask for 2 glasses of red wine before going into the room, one for him and one for his wife. The waitress gave him the wine and asked "Where is your wife?" and he said "Dunno. Haven't see her for several years"

There was a guy sitting in front of me writing everything that was said in shorthand, so I expect a breakdown of the meeting to appear online soon.

Tobias M may correct me on this, but the one question that nobody seemed to have an answer for came from a cabin crew member asking if she would need 27 visas to do her job.

My highlight was the very last question. A guy asked the Ambassador what her regrets were about Brexit. Even though she toed the 'stay positive' line in most of her response, she did dip her toe over the line a little.
On short haul flights, cabin crew never officially enter the country as they don't go through passport control & fly back on the same plane 30-40 minutes later. So zero visas will be required. On long-haul nothing will change as it's all non EU flights.

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So, whose judgement would you trust, DD's, Theresa's, BoJo's, Mogg's? or this amazing man RIP:

‘If we fail, then the forces that contributed to Brexit, the envy and isolationism not just in the UK but around the world that spring from not sharing, of cultures driven by a narrow definition of wealth and a failure to divide it more fairly, both within nations and across national borders, will strengthen.
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‘If that were to happen, I would not be optimistic about the long term outlook for our species.’

Hawking said that Brexit would be a ‘disaster for UK science’ and he was one of 150 fellows of the Royal Society who signed a letter to a national newspaper calling for people to consider the benefit of European funding on UK science and research.
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