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On short haul flights, cabin crew never officially enter the country as they don't go through passport control & fly back on the same plane 30-40 minutes later. So zero visas will be required. On long-haul nothing will change as it's all non EU flights.
You're making a huge assumption that all British nationals who are airline crew, work for British airlines. I personally know of a British Emirates pilot, and just from my pool of previous British colleagues and friends, they worked for Emirates, Qatar, KLM, Swiss, Jet Airways, etc...

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Hawking said that Brexit would be a ‘disaster for UK science’ and he was one of 150 fellows of the Royal Society who signed a letter to a national newspaper calling for people to consider the benefit of European funding on UK science and research.
One of our friends asked the Ambassador a question on behalf of his daughter who works in an EU funded placement at CERN. http://cerneu.web.cern.ch/information-erc-applicants
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Tobias M may correct me on this, but the one question that nobody seemed to have an answer for came from a cabin crew member asking if she would need 27 visas to do her job.
I think the conclusion was that no, she wouldn't at least until 2020, but who knows after as no visa agreements have been finalised with the EU, which was just about the answer to all questions! I think we are screwed.

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Re: Brexit (and other UK stuff) information roadshow in Swizterland

I was there last night and here is my summary of MA (Madame Ambassador) and Co's speech:

Switzerland specific:

• The Brexit agreement being hammered out by the UK and CH is separate to that made by the EU.
• The UK does a (surprisingly) large of trade with CH, 35bn (I don't think MA specified GBP or CHF) per year, more than other partners such as China or India. It's in Switzerland's interests for things to go smoothly. That's a lot of watches and chocolate.
• If a British citizen is already living here then permit 'should' be unaffected once Brexit hits and renewed as normal. Future requests for B and C permits 'should' also be subject to the same conditions.
• Current British nationals holding CH passports will be completely unaffected as this has nothing to do with Brexit. Future Swiss passport requests for British citizens 'should' also be the same.
• The ability to have dual UK and CH nationality will not change.
• The current law that if you spend more than 15 years outside of the UK means you cannot vote should soon be abolished (though as people rightly pointed out, this is anyway too late for those who wanted a say in Brexit).
• If a Brit resident in Switzerland I made redundant post-Brexit, MA didn't know how this would be affected. However, people working in Switzerland and paying into the system for the last 12 months should be covered by unemployment insurance which allows you to stay until that runs out.
• CH is helping the UK in what ways it can by sharing information about its own experiences not being fully part of the EU.

EU in general:

• British citizens living abroad will have the right to remain in the country they are in, including frontier working in nearby countries. However, relocating to another country after Brexit 'may' be more problematic.
• British citizens owning property in CH/Europe are unaffected as they are apparently covered by the human rights act. So, your château's in Bordeaux will not be seized by peasants with pitchforks.
• MA says that apparently a bill is working its way through UK parliament to align UK law with EU so that we are completely aligned post-Brexit.

Obviously a lot is still up in the air and needs to be confirmed, but they seemed to have a decent idea of where things will head. They will also organize another roadshow in 6 months or so to give people an update so I will head to that.

I did crack up at the daft woman who used her question time to launch an extended political rant while boasting about her three degrees until people got bored of her guff and heckled her.

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Old 14.03.2018, 13:10
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You're making a huge assumption that all British nationals who are airline crew, work for British airlines. I personally know of a British Emirates pilot, and just from my pool of previous British colleagues and friends, they worked for Emirates, Qatar, KLM, Swiss, Jet Airways, etc...

One of our friends asked the Ambassador a question on behalf of his daughter who works in an EU funded placement at CERN. http://cerneu.web.cern.ch/information-erc-applicants
I don't see your point?

Emitates, Quatar don't even fly to 27 EU countries, most of KLM & Swiss flights are short-hall so it's making a mountain out of a molehill.

I don't believe in 'funding' & subsidies , only market forces. Plenty of people have milked the EU gravy train, never seen a single rappen myself, so clearly don't have anything to loose.
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Old 14.03.2018, 13:43
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Re: Brexit (and other UK stuff) information roadshow in Swizterland

tbh, I didn't think that she said anything was certain. Only that until we reach 2020 that things would remain the same, what happens afterwards is what we are negotiating. Unless I have it wrong, it seems like no real answers were forthcoming and she just towed the party line.

The Bilateral agreement the UK has with Switzerland won't change unless the arrangements agreed with the EU mean that they are likely too cause friction and so would be revised.

Other then that, using Switzerland as a model for the UK existing outside of the EU is hypothetical not factual, as was being insinuated by the Ambassador, as the EU will not grant the same priviledges to the UK it has given Switzerland. If we start demanding the same priviledges, the EU may screw over Switzerland and then all those rules will also need to be rewritten.

Most of the evening was driven by questions pertaining to the rights of UK Swiss residents and the value of owning a British passport in the future. We barely touched on the impacts that Brexit will make on the UK economy, on EU funding, research grants and subsidies, farming and fishing policies etc.
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My highlight was the very last question. A guy asked the Ambassador what her regrets were about Brexit. Even though she toed the 'stay positive' line in most of her response, she did dip her toe over the line a little.
I think it was regrets and questions and wishes for the future. And she was remarkably quiet about her hopes and questions for the UK relationship with Switzerland (and Lichtenstein) for my liking. I guess, as she stated that the CH-UK deal would be reliant mostly on the UK-EU deal it makes sense that it was important in her mind. But because she starting off stating that CH was the 3rd biggest trading partner and as she is our ambassador here, I would have like that her emphasis was more on Britain's reputation, British trade, and British people in Switzerland (and Lichtenstein).
Also, the lady who Skyped in as part of the Brexit team mentioned that there were specific people working on the post Brexit UK - CH and EEC agreements and I did wonder why it wasn't one of those who was included (especially as I found her answers very vague).

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I don't believe in 'funding' & subsidies , only market forces. Plenty of people have milked the EU gravy train, never seen a single rappen myself, so clearly don't have anything to loose.
Lose not loose.

No, as you reside in the EU as you have pointed out, so surely your right to remain so depends largely on the aggreements that are reached in the ongoing negotiations.

Funding and subsidies have helped immensely in regenerating communities in the UK, funding joint scientific research and in many many other ways. Just because you personally did not profit out of it does not make it less worthwhile. Selfish attitude FMF.
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I was there last night and here is my summary of MA (Madame Ambassador) and Co's speech:
Were you the guy writing in shorthand?

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If a Brit resident in Switzerland I made redundant post-Brexit, MA didn't know how this would be affected. However, people working in Switzerland and paying into the system for the last 12 months should be covered by unemployment insurance which allows you to stay until that runs out.
I think they missed an angle on that response, being how would new employment applications be treated post Brexit from existing B and C permit holders? If they try to maintain applicants being treated as EU1, I think they've got an uphill struggle that will face objections from the EU. That's a big 'wait and see'.
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But because she starting off stating that CH was the 3rd biggest trading partner and as she is our ambassador here, I would have like that her emphasis was more on Britain's reputation, British trade, and British people in Switzerland (and Lichtenstein).
Exactly. I was quite surprised at that point and wish she'd expanded on how or if that can be used as leverage. I guess they don't know as yet.
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Lose not loose.

No, as you reside in the EU as you have pointed out, so surely your right to remain so depends largely on the aggreements that are reached in the ongoing negotiations.

Funding and subsidies have helped immensely in regenerating communities in the UK, funding joint scientific research and in many many other ways. Just because you personally did not profit out of it does not make it less worthwhile. Selfish attitude FMF.

Nope, I live in an EU country that is ex-commonwealth, by law I am regarded as a local rather than a foreigner being a British citizen. It's the only country other than the UK that the Queen has lived in.

I don't think it's selfish, plenty of absurd projects get funded by the EU, those with merit will be privately funded. You like spending other people's money, I don't.
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Nope, I live in an EU country that is ex-commonwealth, by law I am regarded as a local rather than a foreigner being a British citizen. It's the only country other than the UK that the Queen has lived in.

I don't think it's selfish, plenty of absurd projects get funded by the EU, those with merit will be privately funded. You like spending other people's money, I don't.
You are presumptive, so I will be too, this statement and your profile probably explains your attitude accurately, entitlement, a love of the Queen, Verbier, the Commonwealth, tax avoidance.

btw, I only spend money I have earned myself.
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btw, I only spend money I have earned myself.
Says the man who spent his dinner money on half a lager. "Welcome to Switzerland!"
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Nope, I live in an EU country that is ex-commonwealth, by law I am regarded as a local rather than a foreigner being a British citizen. It's the only country other than the UK that the Queen has lived in.
Malta is still a Commonwealth nation. http://thecommonwealth.org/our-member-countries/malta
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Were you the guy writing in shorthand?
Not unless my writing is so bad it looks like shorthand...
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You are presumptive, so I will be too, this statement and your profile probably explains your attitude accurately, entitlement, a love of the Queen, Verbier, the Commonwealth, tax avoidance.

btw, I only spend money I have earned myself.
I don't work, have very little income so regardless of where I lived I would have little tax to pay.

I only spend money I have made myself, not inherited a single penny.

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Interestingly had I never left the UK, I would have an even lower tax liability as all my investments would be in ISA's free of income & CGT tax, or my main residence again CGT tax-free. Not working is the best tax avoidance possible, gives you time to enjoy your life too

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Malta is still a Commonwealth nation. http://thecommonwealth.org/our-member-countries/malta
However, it's a republic & the Queen is no longer head of state unlike in Canada.
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Most of the evening was driven by questions pertaining to the rights of UK Swiss residents and the value of owning a British passport in the future. We barely touched on the impacts that Brexit will make on the UK economy, on EU funding, research grants and subsidies, farming and fishing policies etc.
So you went in the end.. well done
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Most of the evening was driven by questions pertaining to the rights of UK Swiss residents and the value of owning a British passport in the future. We barely touched on the impacts that Brexit will make on the UK economy, on EU funding, research grants and subsidies, farming and fishing policies etc.
Are you serious... wat questions did you expect? The whole point of the roadshow was about how Brexit directly affects British expats in Switzerland, not a discourse on how it will affect the UK economy and the 'farming and fishing policies'. Christ.
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I know we are few - but was reciprocal health care for UK OAPs here without any Swiss pension or income, discussed?
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I know we are few - but was reciprocal health care for UK OAPs here without any Swiss pension or income, discussed?
Whats interesting here is it's not reciprocal, is it? The Swiss have to pay their own premiums, where you get yours paid for by the UK, with just a 300 franchise. Swiss pensioners living in the UK have to pay Swiss health insurance to live in the UK.
 

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