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Old 15.07.2021, 10:58
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

This probably describes the situation the best:

“ Between a rock and a hard place….

Thabo Mbeki was right: There really are two South Africas. Most people jump to the conclusion that we’re a nation divided along racial lines.
Others think it’s about the haves and the have-nots.
The events of the past few days have made it abundantly clear that the real divide is between those who want law and order; and those who see the law only as a means to make themselves more powerful.
Those are the two South Africas.

Before you read any further, let’s take a moment to appreciate context and perspective, because nothing happens in isolation: We have been living on a powder-keg of unsustainable, teetering and disdainful politics since about 2009 (the seeds of which were germinating in the ugly part of our pre-1994 history). While Jacob Zuma was a big part of the overall toxic mixture, he was not the only reason we have found ourselves in this situation. A combination of the ANC’s inability to bring itself to order; the constant public narratives used to divide us; an economy that has been mismanaged in a destructive alliance between unions, the ruling party and crony corporations; and ultimately a devastating and unpredictable pandemic have created a perfect storm that just needed an excuse to break.

Let’s be very clear: what we’re experiencing isn’t about Jacob Zuma, inequality and poverty, or a lack of vaccines. While those things may have contributed to the overall power vacuum, they’re symptoms, not causes. That all of this started in KwaZulu-Natal isn’t a surprise either: weak political leadership, confusion in the Zulu royal family and an overpopulated province of young people with no reason to wake up every day, no sense of purpose or hope, this was inevitable.

We’re witnessing the final unravelling of the ANC, and especially the elite criminal coterie who have been manipulating the institutions and authority of government for their own purposes for at least the last decade. Their reluctance to act against each other, abide by the law or do what is good for South Africa is a can that was kicked down the road until they ran out of road. Unimpressive and incoherent fools, promoted far beyond their competence in a system that rewarded greed, party loyalty and failed ideology have brought them to a breaking point. That’s what ultimately precipitated this orgy of looting, criminality, violence and stupidity. That has been predicted by much smarter people than me for much longer.

So if you stop reading there, you’ll probably wish you hadn’t read any of this at all - but fortunately that isn’t all.

The heartening and hopeful evidence of good people standing together, taking up arms and looking to protect each other from criminals and scum is everywhere. I saw a group of old and young; rich and poor; black, white and Indian neighbours on the news last night, determined to look after the suburb of Montclair in Durban. Their eyes betrayed not a spark of fear, but a resourceful, determined and strong sense of community - in the best sense of that word. Those men had something powerful to fight for, and they weren’t in it to steal a TV.

We’ve always had poor people in this country (sadly, far too many) who battle through every day - and none of them partake in arson and theft, even if they’re desperate. There’s a moral majority of granny-headed, religious and decent rural families who have as much disdain for the carnage they see as any angry taxpayer does. Together, they’ve watched crooks plunder the land Mandela promised them. Today, they stand united against the mob.

The great divide in South Africa is and will continue to be between those who want a future for themselves and their children, who believe we are a civilised people with enormous potential - and those who have given in to the chaos of destruction, hopelessness and self-loathing. On the one hand we have the steely resolve of the better part of our nature, and on the other the vacant yellow eyes of opportunists and monsters. The real looting (of some R500-billion or more) has already taken place. Those who took it are now deploying their vassals and playing the only card they have left.

It’s time you asked yourself which South Africa you want to be a part of, and what we need to clear out of the way in order to share our place in the sun. It’s always darkest before the dawn.

Gareth Cliff ”
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Old 17.07.2021, 11:25
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

This has been written by
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuli_...la?wprov=sfti1
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❌ *Thuli Madonsela posted on facebook:* ❌

"Black people use racism as an excuse for their failures in a lot of things.
Racism makes us feel like victims and remember that victims never rise.
The reason we don't succeed after every war is because of our inability to move forward....
* We don't forgive,
* we keep focusing on the enemy instead of picking up the pieces and building afresh.

I think the reason the Afrikaaner nation was able to build themselves into a formidable nation was to forget the past and found ways to empower themselves.
The Afrikaaners were
* oppressed,
* confined to concentration camps by the English.

The Indians where brought here because the black man was too lazy to work in the sugar cane fields. They lived in desperate, poor conditions.....no lights, no running water, no proper housing.

Yet both nations rose and sent their kids to school.
* they were murdered in thousands,
* their women were raped and
* their babies starved to death in camps.
* But they rose, because they moved beyond the hatred of their enemies.

Instead of toyi-toying, they:
* built their own schools,
* taught and trained their kids to:
* work hard and farm the land.
* they taught their kids real values of respect (ubuntu).

The problem with us Black People, is that we see ourselves as victims. We feel sorry for ourselves and, therefore, feel that we deserve...
* Free things.
* Free houses,
* Free money.
We don't teach our kids the value of hard work.
Our greatest enemy as a black nation today is blaming everybody and hating ourselves.

We hate ourselves so much that:
* we destroy the things that belong to us.
* we destroy our schools,
* we destroy libraries
* we destroy hospitals that were all given to us by white money!

Check this out:
*1.* Of all the Black women raped yesterday, most of them were raped by Black men.
*2* . Of all the Black people that were robbed yesterday, most of them were done by Black men.
*3.* Of all the Black owned houses that were broken into yesterday, most done by Black men.
*4.* Of all young Black men that were shot and killed or stabbed to death yesterday, most were killed by our Black men.
*5.* Of all the Black owned cars that were hijacked yesterday, most were carried out by Black men.
*6.* Of all the ATM cards that were swapped, mostly by Black men.
*7.* Of all the Black owned cars that were involved in smash and grabs yesterday, most involved Black men.

This is self hate and it is destroying us, Black people.

Let's face our real demons (US) as a Black nation and rise to the occasion.

We have destroyed the culture of learning within our communities and replaced it with entertainment.

RACISM IS NOT OUR DOWNFALL.
BUT FAILURE TO FIND OURSELVES AND MOVE ON, MOST CERTAINLY IS!

We have over 20 years of freedom, WHAT HAVE WE DONE FOR OURSELVES?

* LET'S LEARN FROM OTHER NATIONS,
* LET'S LEARN FROM THE AFRIKAANER AND THE INDIANS AND GOD WILL HEAL US.

*THULI MADONSELA*
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

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This has been written by
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She’ll never be let into BLM with that attitude.

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He'll never be let into BLM with that attitude.
She told the truth

Another interesting piece comes from the Zulu leader:

Wow!!!!

NATIONAL NEWS - Statement issued by Prince Mangosuthu Buthelezi MP:

I realise that by calling this press conference to speak about what is happening in Nkandla, I am rushing in where angels fear to tread. Political leaders have wisely been circumspect in speaking on the Constitutional Court judgement against former President Zuma, knowing that this has the potential to divide the country. But what is happening in Nkandla right now has the potential to do much greater harm.

As someone who has served my country for more than sixty years, I dare not keep silent. I love my country too much to see its future destroyed. I therefore speak today not as a politician or even as traditional Prime Minister to the Zulu Monarch and Nation, but as one of the few remaining elders in our country.
Let me state upfront that I sympathise with Mr Zuma’s family in this difficult time. Any lawyer would have known the consequences awaiting the former President if he refused to comply with the Constitutional Court’s order to appear at the State Capture Commission. Mr Zuma’s lawyers let him down and he is now facing the consequences. I am not judging his case, but I sympathise with his plight, for he is still an elder facing a very difficult prospect.

This is not the first time that a leader in our country has faced imprisonment, or worse. History provides us with many examples. But history also shows us how those leaders acted in the face of trial – even unjust trial – and how their people acted in response. What is happening in Nkandla right now runs contrary to our dignity as a people. We are making ourselves a spectacle in the eyes of the world.
When the Zulu Kingdom was vanquished by the British on the 4th of July 1879, my great grandfather, King Cetshwayo, was arrested and exiled. The Zulu Nation was at the height of its power. Indeed, it had taken the full might of Her Britannic Majesty’s army to defeat the Zulu Nation; an army greater than that used to conquer the whole of India.

Yet when King Cetshwayo was arrested and sent into exile, neither the King’s regiments nor his people threatened a physical uprising, for it would have been hopeless and ended in utter destruction.
King Cetshwayo’s son, my maternal grandfather, walked in the same steps as his father. King Dinuzulu was found guilty of high treason in 1889 and was exiled by the British to the Island of St Helena. The Zulu regiments were mighty at that time, but the King submitted himself willingly to arrest, like his father. There was no uprising.

My paternal grandfather, Mkhandumba Buthelezi, was accused on trumped up charges of murder and sentenced to be hanged, despite the fact that there was no corpus delicti. The alleged body was never found.
Because of the absence of a body, the then Minister of Justice, JBM Hertzog, recommended a reprieve. But the Governor General, Lord Gladstone, followed the recommendation of the Judge President and Mkhandumba was executed on the 22nd of February 1911.

The real reason behind this was that my grandfather had participated at Isandlwana where the British were routed, and he had survived. He had to pay for those sins. It was unjust; but still there was no uprising.

My grandfather, Mkhandumba’s father, Mnyamana Buthelezi, served as traditional Prime Minister to the King and the Zulu Nation. Under King Cetshwayo, he served as Commander-in-Chief of all the mighty Zulu Regiments.
Kgoshi Mampuru II of the Bapedi Nation, one of South Africa’s heroes in the wars of resistance, was also charged with rebellion and murder and was brutally hanged in Pretoria, despite President Kruger’s assurances that sentence would not be carried out until he had discussed the matter with the British Colonial Secretary, Lord Derby.
There was more unity then among our people than there is today, yet still they did not indulge in an exercise of futility. There was no uprising.

Neither did our people revolt, despite being more powerful and united than we are at present, when the King was charged with high treason in the last armed struggle against colonialism, ignited by the Bambatha Rebellion in 1905.
And in 1964, when we were deprived of the cream of our liberation leaders, Mandela, Govan Mbeki, Sisulu and the other Rivonia trialists, we did not contemplate a physical revolt.

With all of this history, I am troubled by what is happening at Nkandla. It is simply wrong. Our people there are challenging the State and in so doing they are challenging all of us who are guided by the rule of law.
But there is a second sin being committed at Nkandla, for those who are gathering are doing so at a time when our country faces the worst variant of the Coronavirus. We know that the protocols of social distancing and wearing face masks are more important measures to secure our survival than even the jabs that people are receiving.

Yet when one watches the people congregating at Nkandla, there is barely a face mask in sight. They are jeopardizing their lives, and the lives of every one of us in whose midst they are living. That is the greatest irresponsibility of all.
I appeal therefore, in this time of great reflection for our nation, that we consider what is going on at Nkandla as treasonous. With all due respect for the sympathy people may have for Mr Zuma’s plight, challenging the State and risking lives is unacceptable.
As one of the few remaining leaders of the generation who fought for freedom, I fear that God will judge me harshly if I keep silent as people destroy this country’s future. They are creating a future of poverty and death for the youth of South Africa. I dare not keep silent.
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

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She told the truth

Another interesting piece comes from the Zulu leader:

Wow!!!!

NATIONAL NEWS - Statement issued by Prince Mangosuthu Buthelezi MP:

I realise that by calling this press conference to speak about what is happening in Nkandla, I am rushing in where angels fear to tread. Political leaders have wisely been circumspect in speaking on the Constitutional Court judgement against former President Zuma, knowing that this has the potential to divide the country. But what is happening in Nkandla right now has the potential to do much greater harm.

I think he's cherry picking history in places.

South Africa has seen many protests that turned violent.

But the overall sentiment is still right.
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