Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #101  
Old 16.03.2018, 17:26
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: ZH
Posts: 8,247
Groaned at 99 Times in 80 Posts
Thanked 12,765 Times in 5,182 Posts
doropfiz has a reputation beyond reputedoropfiz has a reputation beyond reputedoropfiz has a reputation beyond reputedoropfiz has a reputation beyond reputedoropfiz has a reputation beyond reputedoropfiz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Quote:
View Post
actions of war veterans style from the past
A Zimbabwean told me that there was a bitter joke, back then, about so-called war veterans being given land that they then didn't actually farm usefully to produce food for the country.


- Bob's farm's been expropriated, and given to a war veteran.
- What kind of war veteran?
- Oh, probably just a semen.


The word sounds like seaman, as in one who would not know the land, but meant that the person was not a true veteran, since so young as not to have been conceived early enough to participate in the war of independence.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank doropfiz for this useful post:
  #102  
Old 16.03.2018, 17:29
jacek's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Aargau
Posts: 8,855
Groaned at 125 Times in 92 Posts
Thanked 6,571 Times in 3,638 Posts
jacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Quote:
View Post
A Zimbabwean told me that there was a bitter joke, back then, about so-called war veterans being given land that they then didn't actually farm usefully to produce food for the country.


- Bob's farm's been expropriated, and given to a war veteran.
- What kind of war veteran?
- Oh, probably just a semen.


The word sounds like seaman, as in one who would not know the land, but meant that the person was not a true veteran, since so young as not to have been conceived early enough to participate in the war of independence.
Thanks for explaining it - killjoy.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank jacek for this useful post:
  #103  
Old 16.03.2018, 17:42
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 11,621
Groaned at 579 Times in 487 Posts
Thanked 20,888 Times in 10,972 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Quote:
View Post
Maybe it’s a strategic move and propaganda to give an SA’s ruling government a fright or a status quo. You make a move on economy building farmers, they will go elsewhere to cultivate the crops and you will redistribute the land amongst your people living them empty handed without proper skills to run the equipment.

Let’s hope the history of Zim won’t repeat itself and actions of war veterans style from the past will not take precedence in the country. Some talk about the worst possible outcome the new policy may trigger. Some believe that if the redistribution is planned very carefully and thoughtfully without infuriating the mob and further instigating riots on national scale, there’s a good chance it will take a positive turn. From celebrating Mandela’s heritage and long walk to freedom in 1994 to successful WC2010 to prosecuting Zuma on corruption charges in 2018, the RSA offers plethora of opportunities and can surprise us all the time ...

https://www.fin24.com/Economy/civil-...unter-20180316
True but as I keep posting farming is an expensive business and I do not believe the SA Govt. will hand out the necessary funds to the new land owners (even if the Govt. had the money which I doubt).

I doubt banks would lend money to the new inexperienced land owners and I also doubt they would take the land as security, firstly they probably already have rights to the land due to substantial borrowings by the existing farmers and secondly due to the threat of redistribution the land is effectively worthless.
Reply With Quote
  #104  
Old 16.03.2018, 17:44
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 11,621
Groaned at 579 Times in 487 Posts
Thanked 20,888 Times in 10,972 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Quote:
View Post
Apparently many Zimbabwean white farmers moved to Zambia, encouraged to do so by the Zambian government. Today Zambia is exporting food to Zimbabwe even though some years back the opposite was true.

Some governments obviously recognize the value of people who understand farming, whereas other just see vile priveledge.
Same Govt deal in the Congo for SA farmers but so far not turned out well.
Reply With Quote
  #105  
Old 16.03.2018, 17:45
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 11,621
Groaned at 579 Times in 487 Posts
Thanked 20,888 Times in 10,972 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Quote:
View Post
Interesting to see Australia is considering offering facilitated immigration visa procedures for white South African farmers. This seems to have offended the government but what do they expect if they are going to confiscate land, then the farmers are going to look to getting out ASAP!
Good idea until the Aus. Govt. gives the land to the Aborigines
Reply With Quote
  #106  
Old 16.03.2018, 18:04
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: ZH
Posts: 8,247
Groaned at 99 Times in 80 Posts
Thanked 12,765 Times in 5,182 Posts
doropfiz has a reputation beyond reputedoropfiz has a reputation beyond reputedoropfiz has a reputation beyond reputedoropfiz has a reputation beyond reputedoropfiz has a reputation beyond reputedoropfiz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Here's a report of another such invitation:

"The Boers came to faraway Georgia in response to the Georgian government’s invitation that aimed to boost the struggling agriculture sector through hard-working, agriculturally experienced Boers."
https://jam-news.net/?p=46927
Reply With Quote
  #107  
Old 16.03.2018, 18:25
jacek's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Aargau
Posts: 8,855
Groaned at 125 Times in 92 Posts
Thanked 6,571 Times in 3,638 Posts
jacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Quote:
View Post
True but as I keep posting farming is an expensive business and I do not believe the SA Govt. will hand out the necessary funds to the new land owners (even if the Govt. had the money which I doubt).

I doubt banks would lend money to the new inexperienced land owners and I also doubt they would take the land as security, firstly they probably already have rights to the land due to substantial borrowings by the existing farmers and secondly due to the threat of redistribution the land is effectively worthless.
Solution. The banks should sign a land-lease for certain defined period of time. This way there won’t be conflict who should own the land historically. If they fail to cultivate it within say 10 years, the lease won’t be renewed or extended to those occupying it and it will be passed to another applicants all the same. Win win situation for all.

Now it seems like they will fry Aussie prime minister over racist rant:
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...rmers-20180316
__________________
🎾That's what we do to help English speaking expats community in Switzerland:
General Information About Swiss Tennis
Tennis Lessons Summer Winter Seasons
🎾🎾Our charity organization to help unprivileged kids to realize their dreams:
FMTF Supports Tennis For Children in Southern Africa
Reply With Quote
  #108  
Old 16.03.2018, 18:50
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 11,621
Groaned at 579 Times in 487 Posts
Thanked 20,888 Times in 10,972 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Quote:
View Post
Solution. The banks should sign a land-lease for certain defined period of time. This way there won’t be conflict who should own the land historically. If they fail to cultivate it within say 10 years, the lease won’t be renewed or extended to those occupying it and it will be passed to another applicants all the same. Win win situation for all.

Now it seems like they will fry Aussie prime minister over racist rant:
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...rmers-20180316
"The banks should sign a land-lease for certain defined period of time. " but such a lease is completely worthless if the Govt. has the right to take over the land without paying any compensation.
Reply With Quote
  #109  
Old 16.03.2018, 19:03
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: uster
Posts: 70
Groaned at 19 Times in 14 Posts
Thanked 184 Times in 52 Posts
english fella has earned the respect of manyenglish fella has earned the respect of manyenglish fella has earned the respect of many
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

the whole pc brigade make me wanna puke, this is what happens when idealism overules common sense, nevermind, im sure the pop world will find another washed up ,otherwise bankrupt punkrocker , that will revive hes own career in the name of helping the soon to be starving population of south africa,
Reply With Quote
  #110  
Old 16.03.2018, 19:08
jacek's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Aargau
Posts: 8,855
Groaned at 125 Times in 92 Posts
Thanked 6,571 Times in 3,638 Posts
jacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Quote:
View Post
"The banks should sign a land-lease for certain defined period of time. " but such a lease is completely worthless if the Govt. has the right to take over the land without paying any compensation.
Government grabs the arable land which belongs to the banks anyway because it is still not paid off completely. Bankrupt government deals with the banks but poor people still get nothing in return.
Reply With Quote
  #111  
Old 16.03.2018, 23:21
jacek's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Aargau
Posts: 8,855
Groaned at 125 Times in 92 Posts
Thanked 6,571 Times in 3,638 Posts
jacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

I’m not sure if this has been laid out for those who are not familiar with the ongoing debate on land:

https://www.fin24.com/Economy/unders...ate-20180313-2
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank jacek for this useful post:
  #112  
Old 17.03.2018, 00:54
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 11,621
Groaned at 579 Times in 487 Posts
Thanked 20,888 Times in 10,972 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Quote:
View Post
Government grabs the arable land which belongs to the banks anyway because it is still not paid off completely. Bankrupt government deals with the banks but poor people still get nothing in return.
"Bankrupt government deals with the banks " Land grab = No compensation = No deal? Or did I misunderstand something?
Reply With Quote
  #113  
Old 17.03.2018, 08:16
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 11,139
Groaned at 356 Times in 291 Posts
Thanked 16,451 Times in 8,364 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Quote:
View Post
Good idea until the Aus. Govt. gives the land to the Aborigines
Are there any left? All these great democracies - USA, Canada, Australia etc and the likes eliminated or in the best case assimilated the original inhabitants. Now they're the greatest moralists of our times...

But seriously - are there any Aborigines left down there? And what difference would that make in their lives now?
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank greenmount for this useful post:
  #114  
Old 17.03.2018, 08:45
jacek's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Aargau
Posts: 8,855
Groaned at 125 Times in 92 Posts
Thanked 6,571 Times in 3,638 Posts
jacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Quote:
View Post
"Bankrupt government deals with the banks " Land grab = No compensation = No deal? Or did I misunderstand something?
Looking at the credit record of some corrupt politicians that will be prosecuted, the prestigious banks won’t bail them out at best or won’t allow them to open another bank account.
Reply With Quote
  #115  
Old 17.03.2018, 15:36
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 11,139
Groaned at 356 Times in 291 Posts
Thanked 16,451 Times in 8,364 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Quote:
View Post
Yes, I did see that, thanks. And took Slammer's joke.
I think that, although it was meant as a tongue-in-cheek kind of thing, it could be a real question. Now East Prussia is split between 3 countries so it depends where his ex's piece of land is situated - if Russia - forget about it. If Poland or Lithuania, where there are solid, well (functioning) retrocession laws they have some chances to recuperate it if the family can prove, with serious documents, that the land was in their possession before WWII. Worth trying anyway. Especially if they have some "vitamin B".... But sometimes, those vast domains prove to be only some vague family legends so...yeah. :-)
Anyway, just so my comment won't look completely OT, it's interesting to make a parallel between Eastern Europe and South Africa. Some things go in totally opposite directions...

Last edited by greenmount; 17.03.2018 at 16:32.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank greenmount for this useful post:
  #116  
Old 20.03.2018, 09:25
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: -
Posts: 247
Groaned at 141 Times in 99 Posts
Thanked 2,085 Times in 996 Posts
kriss kross has earned some respectkriss kross has earned some respect
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Quote:
View Post
Interesting to see Australia is considering offering facilitated immigration visa procedures for white South African farmers.
They're refugees! We have a moral responsibility to help them!
Reply With Quote
  #117  
Old 20.03.2018, 10:11
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 11,621
Groaned at 579 Times in 487 Posts
Thanked 20,888 Times in 10,972 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Quote:
View Post
They're refugees! We have a moral responsibility to help them!
You are confusing refugees and economic migrants, again.
Reply With Quote
  #118  
Old 20.03.2018, 11:49
jacek's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Aargau
Posts: 8,855
Groaned at 125 Times in 92 Posts
Thanked 6,571 Times in 3,638 Posts
jacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Quote:
View Post
They're refugees! We have a moral responsibility to help them!
Quote:
View Post
You are confusing refugees and economic migrants, again.
We are already talking about refugees and economic immigration but nothing re land expropriation without compensation legislation in RSA is forcing people out of their land yet.
Reply With Quote
  #119  
Old 20.03.2018, 12:08
Blueangel's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 4,263
Groaned at 129 Times in 113 Posts
Thanked 11,413 Times in 4,981 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Quote:
View Post
You are confusing refugees and economic migrants, again.
It's a peculiar one this. There is a move to declare them as refugees, but at the same time, there is nothing preventing these people from living peacefully in SA in a different occupational capacity. A lot of it is to do with the perception of the people involved rather than their legal status. This in no way excuses the farm burnings that are happening on a weekly basis, the latest of which is believed to have been sparked by a farm security guard murdering a local man who was fishing on the farm's land.

When my OH left SA, it was partly because of a hostile takeover of his business by a group of local 'businessmen' made up of Afrikaaners and a Scot. 6 businesses were targeted and the systematic intimidation that followed led to my OH being robbed at gunpoint twice. With the last robbery, one of his staff phoned in the morning to resign because he'd been told that the business was being hit that day. Police didn't want to know... Of the 6 business owners targeted, my OH got out, 3 were murdered and 2 were suicides. My OH's parting shot was to give all the business equipment to his head foreman so that he could set up his own business on the edge of the township, and much of the customer base followed out of loyalty to such a talented guy.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
  #120  
Old 20.03.2018, 22:22
jacek's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Aargau
Posts: 8,855
Groaned at 125 Times in 92 Posts
Thanked 6,571 Times in 3,638 Posts
jacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Let’s hope that the state of affairs is not so bad yet ..

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...nator-20180320
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank jacek for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Adoption from South Africa - is it possible? egonschiela Family matters/health 5 24.04.2016 04:52
South Africa To Switzerland Jen33 Introductions 19 21.03.2013 19:41
South Africa's Foreign policy - Why is it against freedom ? Pashosh International affairs/politics 34 06.10.2011 22:39
Container to South Africa taylor_rich Leaving Switzerland 0 30.05.2011 18:04
Is Switzerland really better than South Africa then? Frank101 Other/general 13 01.12.2008 08:46


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 07:37.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0