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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Deputy President David Mabuza - 20th March 2018
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...dless-20180320
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Old 21.03.2018, 00:11
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

So they are going towards taking the land from the current owners without compensation, that is something the current owners will not just simply agree with.

To me this is just another step towards a civil war.
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Old 24.03.2018, 21:58
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

‘The ANC isn’t in charge – we are’, says Julius Malema, leader of the Economic Freedom Fighters. Article dated 23 March 2018
https://mg.co.za/article/2018-03-23-...-charge-we-are
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

I've just returned from South Africa. The mood there is vastly different to how it is being painted over here.


Even the white people dont expect that the government will have any teeth in this thing. They see it as a ploy to convince poor black voters (who are usually drawn to the EFF) to back them once again rather then defecting to the EFF. The black people arent particularly bothered either, since they have very little confidence in the government to actually use this legislation, and they know the farms need to operate.


The one thing poor black voters hate most is having no food - which everyone knows is a possibility if the white farmers are evicted. So, the ANC talk tough but do relatively little, they get the poor black votes, and life goes on. The EFF have their 15 minutes and pipe down, and the country continues its agonisingly slow march to equality.


As per in South Africa, nothing changes quickly and everyone carries on.
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Old 03.04.2018, 22:46
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

China and Zimbabwe agree partnership (3rd April 2018)
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/201..._137086164.htm


China's part in South Africa (according to Wiki)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–...rica_relations
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Old 14.04.2018, 22:54
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

Interesting article in the Bund newspaper (in German) about the reality of farms in the area of Tzaneen (14th April 2018).
https://www.msn.com/de-ch/nachrichte...cid=spartanntp
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

The commisioner of the South African Revenue Services, Tom Moyane, has been suspended, and will face "disciplinary charges", though it is not yet clear whether these will also become "criminal charges".

https://www.fin24.com/Economy/breaki...oyane-20180504
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TfAq3LrIjg

Very interesting discussion.
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Old 01.09.2018, 11:43
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

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Very interesting discussion.
Interesting how? Southern is a far-right, attention-seeking college dropout who is drumming up support for her recently released "documentary".

I'm not arguing that SA doesn't have race problems and in particular problems with the proposal to appropriate land without compensation. But she's hardly a neutral/rational voice on the subject.

Many people may agree with her, but I think it's important to understand the source before jumping on her bandwagon.

Links deliberately broken to avoid skimlinks re-directing:
www (dot) thesouthafrican (dot) com/who-is-lauren-southern-five-facts/
www (dot) mamamia (dot) com (dot) au/lauren-southern-australia-tour/
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

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Interesting how? Southern is a far-right, attention-seeking college dropout who is drumming up support for her recently released "documentary".

I'm not arguing that SA doesn't have race problems and in particular problems with the proposal to appropriate land without compensation. But she's hardly a neutral/rational voice on the subject.

Many people may agree with her, but I think it's important to understand the source before jumping on her bandwagon.

Links deliberately broken to avoid skimlinks re-directing:
www (dot) thesouthafrican (dot) com/who-is-lauren-southern-five-facts/
wwlutlutely w (dot) mamamia (dot) com (dot) au/lauren-southern-australia-tour/
en (dot) wikipedia (dot) org/wiki/Lauren_Southern
At least she made the effort to go to South Africa and speak to everyone involved. Somehow I don't think you did that. I think she is absolutely spot on after her investigations.
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLls...&feature=share

More very interesting analysis.
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Old 01.09.2018, 13:31
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

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At least she made the effort to go to South Africa and speak to everyone involved. Somehow I don't think you did that. I think she is absolutely spot on after her investigations.
Am I right to assume you also did not make the effort to go to South Africa and speak to everyone involved?

So how is your opinion more credible than 3Wishes?
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

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Am I right to assume you also did not make the effort to go to South Africa and speak to everyone involved?

So how is your opinion more credible than 3Wishes?
I have just been to South Africa for around 15 months.That's 15 months more than you or 3wishes.
Understand?
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

wow roadrabbit - you have NO idea - 15 months hey ...

some people here have several generations of experience of SA to draw from - and you have no idea who they are.
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Old 01.09.2018, 14:13
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

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I have just been to South Africa for around 15 months.That's 15 months more than you or 3wishes.
Understand?
Indeed I understand, RoadKill.

Your last troll account got banned, so you've reactivated another.

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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

I'd be interested in hearing personal reports from people who've been there during the past few years and months, and who talked and listened to lots of locals.

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I have just been to South Africa for around 15 months.
  • What did you do while you were in South Africa for 15 months?
  • Are you originally from there, and returned for 15 months, or was this a first, or a repeat visit?
  • Were you working, or studying, or travelling, learning or advising?
  • Who were your co-workers, or lecturers, or staff?
  • Were you based in any one area, and if so which?
  • Did you move around and stay in, or visit, different places?
  • What kind of accommodation did you have?
  • In each place, did you have to opportunity to speak to people of different races and economic stata, to hear a range of perspectives?
  • What did you learn, or observe, or hear about, that surprised you or changed your perspective on some aspect(s) of life there?
  • Which parts of everyday life made the experience the most scary, or comforted you, or stretch your being, or did you find the most wonderful?
  • Do you have friends or family living there, and how do they, and the people living around them, feel about South Africa?

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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

OH was born in CT in 1946 - became a crime, unlike Trevor Noah who was born one later on- in 1948. Father left to try and find a way out in UK- as grand-father was British. Mother followed- then children some months later, once lodgings and jobs were found.

Visited twice, in 96, and 2 years ago. Stayed in several locations around the Cape and Franschoek, for 3 weeks. Main aim was to understand the family history better, and the reality of Apartheid from the month of relatives who went through it all. Very moving- There is definitely a book there waiting to be written. We will take our daughters and grandchildren there for my 70th in 2 years time.

But remember SA has so many different areas- CT is very different to Jbrug- or Port Elizabeth, etc, etc,. And even Cape Town is still VERY segregated- with very different communities still living in vastly different areas. We talked to people of every ethnicity and background - most of the black youngsters we met working in Hôtels and restaurants, etc, were NOT from SA but from Zimbabwe.

Go to District 6 Museum, and the slavery Museum- and talk to the wardens and people there- it is just mind blowing.

I just can't see any solution - and believe that it will explode one day, possibly soon.

It's 'easy' to say - ah if you rock the boat you will destroy the economy. But when 'the economy' doesn't even leave you scraps or crumbs - destryoying it it not such a bad prospect- at least you'd feel involved at last. It is imho a very dangerous situation. You can pick up amazing mansions with land in the best areas of CT for very little - it is so so beautiful and weather is amazing. If you are prepared to live in a ghetto behind electric double fencing and armed response security. Not for me.

btw - do read Trevor Noah's 'Born a Crime'- about how he grew up in Soweto, of a black mother and a white Swiss biological father (who was not on the scene of course, post conception).

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I'm not arguing that SA doesn't have race problems and in particular problems with the proposal to appropriate land without compensation. But she's hardly a neutral/rational voice on the subject.
So who would you consider to be a rational voice on the subject?
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Re: Is South Africa planning to follow Zimbabwe and destroy its economy?

I will ignore comments by the legal trolls with all the clean green lights next to their names.
Don't care at all what they have to say.
I am South African.Let's allow readers to watch the videos and make up their own minds.
For one I am thankful that there are voices spotlighting the plight of the beginning of the persecution of white folks in South Africa.I have escaped,but many will not be so lucky.
Amen and goodbye.
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It's a really minor point, but this isn't strictly true and implies that neither parent cared about the situation. According to the book, Trevor's mother made sure that his father could be as involved as possible in his life. Obviously they couldn't all live together, but she would do things like take him to the park with a mixed-race neighbor wearing a maid's uniform. As arranged the father would visit at the same time and pretend not to know them in order to see his son play. Trevor was also regularly smuggled into his father's home in Jo'burg.

It wasn't until the stepfather came along post-apartheid that the visits became infrequent; the stepfather seemed to not like the reminder that Trevor obviously wasn't his. Eventually, the father moved to Capetown and they lost touch with each other for a number of years. My understanding from the book was that they now speak to each other frequently and that Trevor has learned German in order to be able to talk to his father in his native language.

But you are right, it is a great book.
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