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Interesting. Italy's right-wing government is suddenly arresting neo-Nazi's who go to Ukraine to fight with pro-Russians? Anyone got an explanation?
I do not know. But it is not unpreceded that the Nazis fight against Ukraine nationalists.

@EdwinNL, it is normally the Ukraine side which is associated with the fascists. Like the new military greeting introduced by Poroshenko "Slawa Ukraini! Herojam Slawa!" which has roots in the OUN, or the remembrance of the 14th SS-Volunteer Division "Galicia" by Ukraine nationalists.
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Old 17.08.2018, 22:39
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Like the new military greeting introduced by Poroshenko "Slawa Ukraini! Herojam Slawa!" which has roots in the OUN, or the remembrance of the 14th SS-Volunteer Division "Galicia" by Ukraine nationalists.

It's a nationalist greeting, not Nazi. And yes, there are Nazis and nationalists on both Ukraine and Russia's sides.

But why Italy's 5-Star government, who is supposedly "Russian-friendly" has now suddenly decided to arrest pro-Russian fighters is a bit of a contradiction and mystery...
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Interesting. Italy's right-wing government is suddenly arresting neo-Nazi's who go to Ukraine to fight with pro-Russians? Anyone got an explanation?
Pretty easy, the judiciary system in independent from the Government.
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It's a nationalist greeting, not Nazi. And yes, there are Nazis and nationalists on both Ukraine and Russia's sides.

But why Italy's 5-Star government, who is supposedly "Russian-friendly" has now suddenly decided to arrest pro-Russian fighters is a bit of a contradiction and mystery...
Why you do keep saying that governments decide to arrest individuals?
It works that way only in China, Russia and a few other places.
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Old 18.08.2018, 13:09
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But why Italy's 5-Star government, who is supposedly "Russian-friendly" has now suddenly decided to arrest pro-Russian fighters is a bit of a contradiction and mystery...
The last time I checked the Italian Consiglio Superiore della Magistratura https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_C...iciary_(Italy) was still independent from the ruling national government.
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Seven policemen were burned by battery acid and quicklime when hundreds of migrants charged a border fence between Spain and Morocco on Wednesday
https://www.newsweek.com/police-burn...border-1086430

Looks like Spain is the new spot, since Italy shut the door. Not sure why acid was spilled on the police? I guess the gifted young African scientists didn't want to leave their science projects behind, and they accidentally spilled on the police while hopping the fence?

Speaking of which, it costs 18EUR for a chance to jump the fence.

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Mafias are getting paid to organize coordinated jumps at the border fence dividing Morocco from the Spanish North African exclave cities of Ceuta and Melilla. According to a confidential report from the Civil Guard, which has been seen by EL PAÍS, every migrant who wants to attempt the crossing is charged 200 Moroccan dirhams – the equivalent of around €18.

The report says that this fee allows the migrant to form part of a group under the protection of mafias. These groups are led by a so-called “president,” who works alongside a “prime minister” and various “officials,” according to the mafia terminology. Gang leaders are responsible for collecting money and resolving conflicts between migrants – using punishments such as being banned from the next crossing attempt into Spain – to maintain order.
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Re: Election Results: Italians Say FU to the EU, Globalists

It is a human tragedy. Maybe you want to see these images too....these are not "migrants"...these are desperate teenagers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnAM1w2_fZA

What happened, Spain doesn't need agriculture workers anymore?

Anyway, I don't have any answer to mass migration, but I refuse to look at this issue the way we're all to eager to look at it.
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Old 24.08.2018, 11:46
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Re: Election Results: Italians Say FU to the EU, Globalists

I'm looking at it like it needs to stop because EU can't welcome the whole continent of Africa without imploding itsself.

...how are you looking at it?
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Re: Election Results: Italians Say FU to the EU, Globalists

In this particular case....with compassion.
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Old 24.08.2018, 12:18
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What happened, Spain doesn't need agriculture workers anymore?
Spain needs to wake up to the fact that it cannot run its agriculture on illegal workers. Loads of people there from places like Ukraine and Ecudaor. Their bosses takle away their passports and papers and essenztially force them into slave labour. Lots of ugly stories about violence and abuse making the rounds. The police often look the other way. Spain needs to clean its act and provide a legal mechanism for agricultuiral workers to be recruited and their rights protected.

But this has little to do with African migration. You don't see many Africxans out picking tomatoes. They're mostly in the cities selling fake designer handbags to tourists.
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In this particular case....with compassion.
Compassion isn't going to fix the problem. Pragmatism will. Starting with turning away migrants, to fighting the mafia of human traffickers, to finding a way for Africa to get their act together eg. help build their own economies so people won't feel the need to leave in the first place.
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But this has little to do with African migration. You don't see many Africxans out picking tomatoes. They're mostly in the cities selling fake designer handbags to tourists.
Germany, who famously let in a million migrants 3 years ago, has a skilled labor shortage. Funny, I thought the migrants were the answer to that problem? 3 years on, and the majority of those migrants are not able to fill some basic needs in Germanys labour force? Hmmm...


https://www.dw.com/en/finding-skille...ard/a-45153260
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Compassion isn't going to fix the problem. Pragmatism will. Starting with turning away migrants, to fighting the mafia of human traffickers, to finding a way for Africa to get their act together eg. help build their own economies so people won't feel the need to leave in the first place.
Compared to your shopping list of how to fix the problem, it would seem it's far easier to deal with the influx of migrants. Even dealing with the constant impotent drone of "stop the brown people" is probably also less of a challenge for governments to manage.

You realise all the other stuff you list above sounds massively pie-in-the-sky, don't you?

I'm not disagreeing with you, either. Fixing all those problems would be the holy grail.

"Finding a way for Africa to get their act together" would, in reality, be like trying to knit fog. I would vote for any leader that would come up with a comprehensible workable plan to do that.
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Compassion isn't going to fix the problem. Pragmatism will. Starting with turning away migrants, to fighting the mafia of human traffickers, to finding a way for Africa to get their act together eg. help build their own economies so people won't feel the need to leave in the first place.
Talking about pragmatism. Looking at those boys my first thought was that they should be still in school or some form of instruction.

Before finding reasonable solutions, maybe we should ask Frau Merkel to explain those boys why they shouldn't be allowed to Europe like the other people who came a couple of years ago.

What? Are they too poor for our beloved Europe? Of course, they don't seem to have the latest gadgets and brand clothes. Maybe here's the problem, today world's biggest sin is to be poor. Ha! Who would have thought.
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Talking about pragmatism. Looking at those boys my first thought was that they should be still in school or some form of instruction.

Before finding reasonable solutions, maybe we should ask Frau Merkel to explain those boys why they shouldn't be allowed to Europe like the other people who came a couple of years ago.

What? Are they too poor for our beloved Europe? Of course, they don't seem to have the latest gadgets and brand clothes. Maybe here's the problem, today world's biggest sin is to be poor. Ha! Who would have thought.
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Where are the boys that you speak of in the video? I only see adult men who had just conspired, organized, and crossed the border illegally - attacking Spanish police officers with battery acid and lime in the process.

However, i'm confident that they'll make great Spanish/European citizens after they integrate a bit.
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Talking about pragmatism. Looking at those boys my first thought was that they should be still in school or some form of instruction.
What? Those are some ripped guys in their 20's, no some schoolboys, LOL. Imagine they stormed their countries government offices like that and demanded their country pull itself together and build itsself up?

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Before finding reasonable solutions, maybe we should ask Frau Merkel to explain those boys why they shouldn't be allowed to Europe like the other people who came a couple of years ago.
If the ones who came before them were also from sub-Sahara, then most of them probably weren't allowed years ago either. But yea, now that you bring up Merkel and her big mouth...maybe she should have never opened it in the first place?

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What? Are they too poor for our beloved Europe? Of course, they don't seem to have the latest gadgets and brand clothes. Maybe here's the problem, today world's biggest sin is to be poor. Ha! Who would have thought.
Don't worry, they will be having fancy new phones and clothes soon enough... at our expense...
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What? Those are some ripped guys in their 20's, no some schoolboys, LOL. Imagine they stormed their countries government offices like that and demanded their country pull itself together and build itsself up?


If the ones who came before them were also from sub-Sahara, then most of them probably weren't allowed years ago either. But yea, now that you bring up Merkel and her big mouth...maybe she should have never opened it in the first place?
Many of them were under 20, take a closer look at the video I have posted....I didn't mean boys like in little boys, I meant teenagers. Someone mentioned they are organised gangs or something of the sort - that is just ridiculous. "Organised"...lol. Organised were the waves that came a few years ago, not the Eritreans or sub-Saharean Africans with a few stones and sticks. Lol, if that is such a thing for the Spaniards maybe they should try changing the border control and police staff. Lol, they can't deal with a bunch of youth desperate enough to try stupid things in order to get to Europe. Hmm, right.

Listen, I don't agree with them or their "methods" but then again, never had I walked a mile in their shoes. It strikes me the double standards, and Merkel and the Europeans are the biggest hypocrites at the moment. You know I'm right.

What is it, the colour? At least if they were lighter-skinned, no?

What I think it really is, all the drama shown on certain tv channels and the press, is the fact that they will induce a sense of urgency and immediate danger in simple folks' minds in order to change the legislation re. asylum and refuge, toughen up on illegal immigration. They'll sacrifice a few groups of people (majority of them no less "refugees" than precedent groups) who have no lobby and no real power....eh, whatever it takes. It's the way Europeans are doing politics lately. But I doubt people want to see and understand anything beyond carefully selected images....it's the way of today.

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Re: Election Results: Italians Say FU to the EU, Globalists

about a year has gone by and...government team did not survive!
Italy is going to have a new government team soon...
(the 13th in 20 years)

The "contract" between M5S and Lega has not worked out and yesterday the PM Giuseppe Conte has publicly announced he's going to resign.

The following options are being evaluated:
  • Go to the elections now - realistically around October
  • Have a temporary government held by technical politicians just to guide the country through the incoming financial maneuver, which is going to have big consequences on the economy (eg: VAT increase up to 25% is currently on the radar)

Interesting times to come.
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