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Old 16.03.2018, 17:44
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

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Check this out from The Richie Allen Show. He's brilliant and hits on a lot of good points. I thank you for your posts. You're a rare breed on this site and I'm sure other sites as well. It takes courage because most individuals "follow the herd" and are delusional at best. More people are needed like you and others as the "powers that be" are changing the rules of the game and not in the people's favor. Many people are simple minded with no critical thinking skills whatsoever, so they want simple explanations. Facts and truth mean nothing! In fact they call facts-and-truth "conspiracies."... To them it's always....The cowboys with the black stetson = the bad ones. The white stetson = the good ones. So, the same for the western media and oligarchs = always the good ones, the Russians = the bad ones. They believe EXACTLY what the "authorities" say and question nothing! Amazing! Those who are concerned about this world and what it will be for their children and grandchildren will question and investigate what the "powers that be" are up to. In fact, in the UK they are calling anyone who questions "their" narrative "a Russian agent/puppet" in order to bully people into not questioning the narrative including journalists and the media. Corbyn questioned the narrative and was bullied by his own MPs. Britain's Defense Secretary Gavin Williamson said "Russia should go away, it should shut-up" is nothing more than the words of an immature idiot. These are the types of people who are in leading the western world! They are NO MATCH for Putin under any circumstances...IMHO They create something out of nothing, that's what the western neo-cons do. Under the Vienna Convention Russia should be granted consular access to its citizens. Britain won't allow it and doesn't even respect international law just like the US. There are many reasons why Britain and Theresa May, known as (Theresa May-Not due to the Brexit fiasco) are creating this scandal. One thing is it takes attention away from May-Not's lack of will and determination to get Brexit moving along. They want to renege on the "people's" vote...and this is a great distraction. However, this may not be only one reason. UK is not in a good position in the world and this "puts them on the world stage" so to speak and they can feel like heroes. Besides the constant news about the breeding gangs that are still in operation in the country and the increasing no-go zones like in Bradford, England. Not questioning the UK's bullsh*t is foolish. Unfortunately, many are not up-to-date about what's happening in world politics and more than likely brainwashed by the the BBC: British Brainwashing Corporation, a part of the propaganda along with other western media. Posters will attack you like lunatics and answer you with silly posts...LOL because they don't know any better! Anyway, here is the video. I'm done...Have a nice day...!
I thought Richie Allan was permanently banned from YouTube?
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Old 16.03.2018, 17:48
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I thank you for your posts. You're a rare breed on this site and I'm sure other sites as well.
I'm sure there's a reason for that...

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I'm done...Have a nice day...!
Thought you were done yesterday? Thanks for providing one of the best Friday threads in a while
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Old 16.03.2018, 20:23
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Just to get the goat of the Forum Krembots

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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

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Are you by chance working for RT? Because you argue with the same old Soviet propaganda tactics... when in doubt simply question everything and muddy the water so much that people lose the thread.
It sounds like you described CNN, not RT.
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Old 17.03.2018, 10:36
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

Those who have no arguments apart from "troll" and "propaganda", will be reported to the forum support. I normally don't mind some fair share of offtopic, but yet another circus is too much.
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Old 17.03.2018, 11:36
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Those who have no arguments apart from "troll" and "propaganda", will be reported to the forum support. I normally don't mind some fair share of offtopic, but yet another circus is too much.
Lol.
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Those who have no arguments apart from "troll" and "propaganda", will be reported to the forum support. I normally don't mind some fair share of offtopic, but yet another circus is too much.
Remember MH17.
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Old 17.03.2018, 14:24
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

The subject of this thread was covered by the latest editions of Question Time and Newsnight.

Question Time - 15/03/2018

Newsnight: Is Putin a puppet? An interview with Mikhail Khodorkovsky

One of the Question Time guests was RT journalist Afshin Rattansi, who struck a controversial tone (Daily Mail: 'Why is the BBC giving a platform to Putin's mouthpiece?' Viewers' fury as RT presenter appears on Question Time to claim poisoned Sergei Skripal AND his daughter are 'two spies'). Looking at his Wikipedia page, I was surprised to learn he had worked for CNN International, as I have watched that for years and hadn't ever noticed him. But perhaps he was behind the scenes.
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Old 17.03.2018, 14:58
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Looking at his Wikipedia page, I was surprised to learn he had worked for CNN International
I wouldn't be.
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Old 17.03.2018, 17:07
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Those who have no arguments apart from "troll" and "propaganda", will be reported to the forum support.
Eh? I have no idea from this or from your posts what you're on about. All I can infer is that you want to stop people from criticising Putin or Russia, or implying that certain media channels or commentators may be biased in their favour. In other words, you seem to be asking us to censor anyone who disagrees with you or the links and videos you post.

Do you really think we're likely to do that?
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Old 18.03.2018, 20:34
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

Latest theory is that the poison was delivered via the fresh air vents in the victims BMW!!
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Old 19.03.2018, 08:55
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Eh? I have no idea from this or from your posts what you're on about. All I can infer is that you want to stop people from criticising Putin or Russia, or implying that certain media channels or commentators may be biased in their favour. In other words, you seem to be asking us to censor anyone who disagrees with you or the links and videos you post.

Do you really think we're likely to do that?
This sounds like intentionally changing the subject again. Read carefully - I never asked not to criticize Russia or Putin, or discuss whose channel is more biased. Even replied to such criticism very carefully, phrase after phrase. Which was then marked as "trolling" and "propaganda". Not that I care about this kind of "arguments", but it's an off-topic, increasing the level of aggression and distracting from the subject. This is a strong indications of lack of real arguments. Why post here if you have no arguments? There is a general/offtopic branch in this forum.
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Old 19.03.2018, 09:06
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For example, just shoot down the next Russian war plane that enters the UK air space.
Please provide two examples in the last three years, say, where Russian military airplanes entered UK airspace.

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The original news on the May 27, 2017 incident was corrected later on, the Russian planes didn't enter UK airspace.
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Old 19.03.2018, 09:09
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Why post here if you have no arguments?


You must be new here...
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Old 19.03.2018, 09:57
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Note:
The original news on the May 27, 2017 incident was corrected later on, the Russian planes didn't enter UK airspace.
People love "breaking news" and hate being fooled, therefore memory is very selective.
Most in the West still think Russians killed Litvinenko and Berezovsky. Does anyone remember that all tracks have been hidden by investigators, not by Russians?
How many remember today that US officially admitted that there were no "Russian hackers", and how many will use "Russian hackers" as a strong argument after 5 years, totally ignoring the facts well known today?
Fake news about chemical weapons in Iraq, Syria and Salisbury are way more exciting, than boring discussions about missing facts and screwed logic.
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Most in the West still think Russians killed Litvinenko and Berezovsky.
I like cold, calm facts. I bloody love certainty, and one absolute certainty is that Litvenko was murder by Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtun. There is insurmountable evidence to prove this and it's a matter of public record.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...iry.org/report

The location chosen to administer the polonium is very familiar to me, it has one of the highest densities of CCTV coverage in London, and was literally under the nose of the US Embassy.


For you to assert otherwise, without offering a single shred of evidence, does nothing to enhance your credibility. And if you do have evidence to the contrary, why haven't you submitted it to the proper authorities so that they can reopen the investigation and revise their conclusion?
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People love "breaking news" and hate being fooled, therefore memory is very selective.
Most in the West still think Russians killed Litvinenko and Berezovsky. Does anyone remember that all tracks have been hidden by investigators, not by Russians?
How many remember today that US officially admitted that there were no "Russian hackers", and how many will use "Russian hackers" as a strong argument after 5 years, totally ignoring the facts well known today?
Fake news about chemical weapons in Iraq, Syria and Salisbury are way more exciting, than boring discussions about missing facts and screwed logic.
You claim to offer logical arguments but all you do is to deny known facts without offering any support for your views.

"How many remember today that US officially admitted that there were no "Russian hackers"," Nobody remembers this because it never happened

If you want to convince people then you will have to up your game.
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You claim to offer logical arguments but all you do is to deny known facts without offering any support for your views.
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Old 19.03.2018, 11:05
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And if you do have evidence to the contrary, why haven't you submitted it to the proper authorities so that they can reopen the investigation and revise their conclusion?
There was no official request to submit any contra evidence, as no formal charge has been raised basing on any "reports" for this case.

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I like cold, calm facts.
Is this what you call "cold facts"? ))

2.5 The law does not allow evidence to be taken in what are known as ‘secret’ or ‘closed’
sessions at an inquest. But the government material was so sensitive that it could
not be adduced in any form of public or ‘open’ session. The material was therefore
excluded from the inquest proceedings under the legal principle known as public
interest immunity.

...

2.19 Finally on this point, I should emphasise that, in the end, the fact that Mr Lugovoy
and Mr Kovtun did not give oral evidence does not undermine the findings that I have
made about their involvement in Mr Litvinenko’s death. The findings are clear. I am
entirely confident in making them.
...


Basically, one can stop reading here - there's nothing close to "cold facts". But as one reads on, it becomes "hot thriller" with wealthy Chechens and other vodka-balalaika exotics. And, obviously, all hyperlinks are broken.

Wake up, people

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Old 19.03.2018, 11:16
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Is this what you call "cold facts"? ))

2.5 The law does not allow evidence to be taken in what are known as ‘secret’ or ‘closed’
sessions at an inquest. But the government material was so sensitive that it could
not be adduced in any form of public or ‘open’ session. The material was therefore
excluded from the inquest proceedings under the legal principle known as public
interest immunity.

...

2.19 Finally on this point, I should emphasise that, in the end, the fact that Mr Lugovoy
and Mr Kovtun did not give oral evidence does not undermine the findings that I have
made about their involvement in Mr Litvinenko’s death. The findings are clear. I am
entirely confident in making them.
...


Basically, one can stop reading here - there's nothing close to "cold facts". But as one reads on, it becomes "hot thriller" with wealthy Chechens and other Russian exotics. And, obviously, all hyperlinks are broken.

Wake up, people
"as one reads on, it becomes "hot thriller" with wealthy Chechens and other Russian exotics" farcical! How can we read on if you do not provide the links?

I will give you some free advice; if you want to add credibility to your points then make relevant quotes or provide relevant links.
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