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Old 19.03.2018, 11:22
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"as one reads on, it becomes "hot thriller" with wealthy Chechens and other Russian exotics" farcical! How can we read on if you do not provide the links?

I will give you some free advice; if you want to add credibility to your points then make relevant quotes or provide relevant links.
I am quoting the "report" referred to 2 posts above mine, pretending to be "cold facts"
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I like cold, calm facts. I bloody love certainty, and one absolute certainty is that Litvenko was murder by Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtun. There is insurmountable evidence to prove this and it's a matter of public record.

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There was no official request to submit any contra evidence, as no formal charge has been raised basing on any "reports" for this case.
On 22 May 2007, British officials charged Lugovoy with Litvinenko's murder, announcing they would seek his extradition from Russia.

Wake up yourself
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Old 19.03.2018, 11:34
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You claim to offer logical arguments but all you do is to deny known facts without offering any support for your views.

"How many remember today that US officially admitted that there were no "Russian hackers"," Nobody remembers this because it never happened

If you want to convince people then you will have to up your game.
C'mon, just google for "fake news" ))
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/rus...16-us-election
And all hyperlinks work, BTW

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On 22 May 2007, British officials charged Lugovoy with Litvinenko's murder, announcing they would seek his extradition from Russia.
Who are these "British officials", where do they live?
If you google for "Lugovoi official charge", you get only Wiki, NYT, CNN, Telegraph and BBC articles with no hyperlinks to official dokuments.
Allright, let's try wiki..

On 22 May 2007, Britain's Director of Public Prosecutions announced that Britain would seek extradition of Lugovoy and attempt to charge him with murdering Litvinenko. Russia has previously stated that it has no right to allow the extradition of any Russian citizen for trial in Britain.[10]
On 28 May 2007 the British Foreign Office formally submitted a request for Lugovoy's extradition to the Russian Government.[11] This was confirmed by both the British embassy in Moscow and the Russian prosecution office.


Do you think the links there point to the documents? Haha, they point to Wiki pages about UK foreign Office and Public Prosecution. Circle closed

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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

I have a link for you. I'm sure this will give you hours of joy... https://www.google.ch/search?q=russi...G0CaGaX522pogI
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Old 19.03.2018, 12:32
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All hail Putin our glorious Tzar

Just thought I would get that in before we are invaded and the KGB get hold of my details.
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Old 19.03.2018, 12:41
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All hail Putin our glorious Tzar

Just thought I would get that in before we are invaded and the KGB get hold of my details.
http://newsthump.com/2018/03/19/puti...030-elections/
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Old 19.03.2018, 13:05
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C'mon, just google for "fake news" ))
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/rus...16-us-election
And all hyperlinks work, BTW
Thanks for your link, here is a quote from your link
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U.S. authorities say Russian agents hacked into computer systems associated with both major U.S. political parties.
They are believed to have stolen thousands of emails from leading Democratic Party figures in early 2016 and leaked them online weeks ahead of the party’s national convention in July.
Russian military intelligence “used the Guccifer 2.0 persona, DCLeaks.com, and WikiLeaks to release U.S. victim data obtained in cyber operations publicly,” U.S. intelligence agencies said in the January 2017 report.
This supposed to support your claim "US officially admitted that there were no "Russian hackers""
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Old 19.03.2018, 13:20
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Thanks for your link, here is a quote from your link


This supposed to support your claim "US officially admitted that there were no "Russian hackers""
Exactly, specifically this part:

They are believed to have stolen

Honestly, I begin loving this "highly likely" style

Apparently there is a 1-move more advanced version of motivation to poisoning Skripals.
Old version:
Poison attack in Sydia -> Poison attack in Salisbury -> Bombing Damascus
New version:
UKP 40 Bln Brexit debt -> Poison attacks in Salisbury -> All Russians are criminals -> Rob the criminal capitals in UK.

The latter one looks alot more attractive to me

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The latter one looks alot more attractive to me
Both scenarios look pretty far fetched (plainly bonkers) to me.
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Old 19.03.2018, 13:48
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Apparently there is a 1-move more advanced version of motivation to poisoning Skripals.
Old version:
Poison attack in Sydia -> Poison attack in Salisbury -> Bombing Damascus
New version:
UKP 40 Bln Brexit debt -> Poison attacks in Salisbury -> All Russians are criminals -> Rob the criminal capitals in UK.

The latter one looks alot more attractive to me
Lol, what about the one where Putin says lets send a message to the UK just before the elections, then the response is, us bad Russians getting the blame again boo hoo, but I Putin will stand up to them all elect meeeeeeeeee. Whoops I win again, and again, and again...

Seriously don't be in denial, this isn't going to detract from the £40Billion Brexit cost. It was a blatant test of Britains resolve and its ties to a unified Europe.

Agreed that not all Russians that have bought property in the UK are criminals, but there are a hell of a lot of Putins cronies laundering money in property. That money should have been the Russian peoples, afterall a lot of blood was spilt and lives were given in getting those resources for the people, only to have your glorious Tzar give it away to his best buddies.
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Old 19.03.2018, 13:51
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Both scenarios look pretty far fetched (plainly bonkers) to me.
At least they don't contradict with formal logic, unlike the "bad Russians" and, especially, "Putin shooting his own leg" scenarios ))

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Lol, what about the one where Putin says lets send a message to the UK just before the elections, then the response is, us bad Russians getting the blame again boo hoo, but I Putin will stand up to them all elect meeeeeeeeee. Whoops I win again, and again, and again...
And that's when the pre-election calculations already showed that he has 75% vote? C'mon there's even less logic here

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Old 19.03.2018, 14:13
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Exactly, specifically this part:

They are believed to have stolen

Honestly, I begin loving this "highly likely" style
Your claim was "US officially admitted that there were no "Russian hackers".

The link you quoted stated
"U.S. authorities say Russian agents hacked into computer systems associated with both major U.S. political parties."

Exactly the opposite of your claim.

Now you are trying to move the goalposts from "there were no hackers" to "was anything stolen"

No; this poor attempt at changing your post does not work, I have conclusively proven your claim was WRONG!
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Old 19.03.2018, 14:25
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And that's when the pre-election calculations already showed that he has 75% vote? C'mon there's even less logic here
Who made the pre-election calculations, free and impartial voting polls? I don't think so! Mr P is ensuring he is in power for life. If you can't see it then you can't see it, don't say we didn't tell you so.

Btw, it makes him look good at home if everybody outside of Russia thinks Russia looks bad.

We have a free press in the West, its biased of course in one politcal way or another, left or right or center. Regardless of that, it is still a free press, we can criticize our leaders, we can complain about foreign policy and weapons trading. Sometimes it happens that a lot of top secret information gets whistleblown, sometimes our own governements try to step on our press freedoms, but injunctions like that are not common and our press is free to carry on, sometimes as idiotically as usual, it just depends what you choose to read.
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Old 19.03.2018, 14:29
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No; this poor attempt at changing your post does not work, I have conclusively proven your claim was WRONG!
Sound like you read only every 2nd line parts of that article and didn't care to check the links ))
OK, here;s an easy one:
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/02/12/...ection-hacking
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Old 19.03.2018, 14:34
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Who are these "British officials", where do they live?
If you google for "Lugovoi official charge", you get only Wiki, NYT, CNN, Telegraph and BBC articles with no hyperlinks to official dokuments.
Allright, let's try wiki..

On 22 May 2007, Britain's Director of Public Prosecutions announced that Britain would seek extradition of Lugovoy and attempt to charge him with murdering Litvinenko. Russia has previously stated that it has no right to allow the extradition of any Russian citizen for trial in Britain.[10]
On 28 May 2007 the British Foreign Office formally submitted a request for Lugovoy's extradition to the Russian Government.[11] This was confirmed by both the British embassy in Moscow and the Russian prosecution office.


Do you think the links there point to the documents? Haha, they point to Wiki pages about UK foreign Office and Public Prosecution. Circle closed
You need to improve your googling skills.

Who were these "British officials"?

Answer: Sir Ken Macdonald and Susan Hemming.

Look here.

If all else fails you could look at the link you quoted from Blueangel at paragraph 9.164 which confirms criminal charges.
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At least they don't contradict with formal logic, unlike the "bad Russians" and, especially, "Putin shooting his own leg" scenarios ))
And MH17?
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Old 19.03.2018, 14:42
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Sound like you read only every 2nd line parts of that article and didn't care to check the links ))
OK, here;s an easy one:
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/02/12/...ection-hacking
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a number of states were the target of Russian government cyber actors ....... actors were able to access the system .
So I ask again where is evidence to support your claim ""US officially admitted that there were no "Russian hackers""
This link officially admits there were Russian hackers and they accessed the system.
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Who made the pre-election calculations, free and impartial voting polls?
He made the calculation, and, as you see now, his calculations were correct.
Doesn't it surprise you that Putin, Press and Reality have the same results? Do you believe in magic? In conspiracy? In Gulag rules? ))

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I don't think so! Mr P is ensuring he is in power for life. If you can't see it then you can't see it, don't say we didn't tell you so.
He is the first president in many decades who cares about the country and people more than about his own power. Power is not his objective, it's a side effect. Try once some other source than your "free press". Talk to people, not to the blue screen ))

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Btw, it makes him look good at home if everybody outside of Russia thinks Russia looks bad.
Why's that?
Besides, he has more friends than enemies (remember, West is not the only piece of world), and this split increases with time.

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Sometimes it happens that a lot of top secret information gets whistleblown, sometimes our own governements try to step on our press freedoms, but injunctions like that are not common and our press is free to carry on, sometimes as idiotically as usual, it just depends what you choose to read.
So why you choose to read what Mrs. May says, and not what Mr. Corbyn does?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...burys-novichok
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From this latest link


So I ask again where is evidence to support your claim ""US officially admitted that there were no "Russian hackers""
This link officially admits there were Russian hackers and they accessed the system.
There are thousands Russian, Chinese, Indian and American hackers penetrating systems left and right across the globe every day. Did I deny this?
No, the claim was "No Russian hackers affecting the results of US elections". Apologies for making it too complicated.
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And MH17?
What about it? To the best of my knowledge, after 4 years, investigation is still ongoing, and Russians were banned from it. Yet another secret.
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