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Conspiracy theorists twist or deny facts to suit some bizarre agenda of their own.
I don't mind to be called conspiracy theorist. What I hate is when people present the "highly likely" things and media speculations as facts.
I'm not denying that something may be more or less likely, I'm just denying that "highly likely" and "facts" are synonyms.
If we can't even agree on definition of "facts", then we obviously will compare round with red forever.

So, where are we with the facts after 15 pages of discussion?
I still haven't seen any about
- hackers affecting US elections
- MH17
- Litvinenko case
- Novichok
- Democracy violations in Russia

References to media articles and youtube interviews make no sense - I can flood you with the ones supporting my view, much more realistic and talented than presented here so far by anti-conspiracy activists and troll hunters. But only official documents, presenting proven facts, may be considered as arguments.
Is this too much to ask? Is this conspiracy?
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But only official documents, presenting proven facts, may be considered as arguments.
Is this too much to ask?
You have been presented with official documents presenting all the available facts regarding both the Litvinenko case and flight MH17. It's too early in the day to have access to official reviews of the facts regarding the latest event. Personally, I've only offered video clips to show that all sides of the debate are being presented on UK tv. You have presented absolutely zero evidence to counter any of this.
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I don't mind to be called conspiracy theorist. What I hate is when people present the "highly likely" things and media speculations as facts.
I'm not denying that something may be more or less likely, I'm just denying that "highly likely" and "facts" are synonyms.
If we can't even agree on definition of "facts", then we obviously will compare round with red forever.

So, where are we with the facts after 15 pages of discussion?
I still haven't seen any about
- hackers affecting US elections
- MH17
- Litvinenko case
- Novichok
- Democracy violations in Russia

References to media articles and youtube interviews make no sense - I can flood you with the ones supporting my view, much more realistic and talented than presented here so far by anti-conspiracy activists and troll hunters. But only official documents, presenting proven facts, may be considered as arguments.
Is this too much to ask? Is this conspiracy?


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Old 20.03.2018, 11:09
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You have been presented with official documents presenting all the available facts regarding both the Litvinenko case and flight MH17.
I explained that documents you presented, contain no facts and no official claims. Was my explanation unclear? Wrong? Biased?
You haven't tried to object my arguments, just keep repeating that you presented the facts.
Do you agree that MH17 and Litvinenko docs you presented, contain no facts, or should I repeat my arguments?

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It's too early in the day to have access to official reviews of the facts regarding the latest event.
Then why are the the guilty already named? Next day after the event.
And, is it still "too early" to have access to MH17 and Litvinenko facts?

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You have presented absolutely zero evidence to counter any of this.
All parties capable and interested to provide real evidence have been banned from all investigations listed above, so it's quite obvious that asking for facts is the only way to find the truth.

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Nothing amazing if you make just one assumption: it was a real unbiased calculation. Just math. 2x2=4

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I think we discussed it already, and you haven't answered my questions.
Who exactly was imprisoned, what media was banned, what parties were denied access to presidential elections?
https://cpj.org/data/killed/europe/r...&group_by=year

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...l-journalists/

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How does life in Moscow and St.Petersbourg differ from Ekaterinburg and Vladivostok? How does an average Moscovite differ from average Sotchi or Vladivostok people? What's the income/expense difference between Moscow and Tumen?
Can you get all these details in Western media? No? Why?
And most important: What is the basis of your conclusions?
https://www.theguardian.com/inequali...-of-inequality

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/a...e-the-numbers/

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/01/russ...rld-study.html

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-billi.../25132471.html

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What these counties are lacking is safety. That's why they want to be friends with Putin. They know that Russia "never started the wars, but always finished them"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...volving_Russia

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In what sense, exactly?
Corbyn is not a strong leader. He has some lovely ideas, but he beats around the bush. He is also very in the Brexit camp, but because of socialist ideals.

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Ah, yes, there are now rumors that Mrs. May is a Putin's agent, too..
No she isn't, but she was played easily by Putin into a response that suited him. Putin even thanked Britain after the election for the additional boost in popularity due to this incident.
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Old 20.03.2018, 13:29
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

If you look at statistics carefully, most of Russian journalists killed in the past 10 years, have died in combat actions and/or crossfire. If you take one murdered, for instance:

Alferyev, a crime reporter with Segodnyashnyaya Gazeta in Krasnoyarsk, was beaten to death in the entrance of his apartment building. Alferyev was writing about economic crimes in the region and had received repeated threats.

Who did the threats come from, Putin? Who killed him, FSB?
Please provide some names of journalists that prove your statement that Putin's regime kills journalists for criticizing Putin' regime.
Proven facts please. Not the "independent media" stories.

Putin has denied involvement in Politkovskaya’s death, condemning it as a "hideous crime" and arguing that her murder was more damaging to the Kremlin than her reporting.

As for the other assassinations of journalists during his reign, experts say Putin isn’t directly responsible for any of them.

The editors and reporters of Novaya Gazeta do not believe Putin ordered the murders of their colleagues, according to Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor of the liberal magazine The Nation who spent several decades reporting from Moscow. However, she said on Dec. 21’s Morning Joe, they do believe that he "created the climate" in which the murders are possible.

Do you even read the articles that you post? What's there that can be considered *facts*?! Some journalists say Putin did it, some say he didn't, and *both* are paid per paragraph. Please stop posting the "free press", none of these "journalists" take responsibility for what they write. Give me facts, not speculations. Media articles and non-government websites can not contain facts.

https://www.theguardian.com/inequali...-of-inequality

Same stuff. Just two opinions, possibly paid. Talk to people. Launch a topic with voting on any Russian forum with a title like "is Navalny a clown" - I'mm pretty sure yes/no ratio will be like 90/10

Don't waste your time with "free press" articles. You'll never find anything close to facts there

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/a...e-the-numbers/

Did I deny that there are the rich and the poor in Russia?
How do these number look in UK, US, Greece, Switzerland?
And, you are clearly reading the titles only...

“He switched tack,” Remington told FRONTLINE. “His whole strategy is now not promoting the interests of the middle class, but the interests of lower classes and small town people, people in industrial towns that need the state to prop them up …

Well.. it obviously contradicts with your statements, but isn't a fact either

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/01/russ...rld-study.html

Yes there is a gap. What does Putin have to do with it?
Can he conquer it? Can you give him an advice?

And, again, statistics originated from US can't tell bad about US and good about Russia. It's just another statistics.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-billi.../25132471.html

Nice yacht. So you are saying Abramovich is Putin's buddy? How about Berezovsky? Glushkov?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...volving_Russia

It lists where Russia was involved, not the wars that Russia started.

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How does this relate to the topic we discuss?
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Old 20.03.2018, 13:45
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

No matter what you believe from the various theories in circulation about who was responsible for this Skripal case, ranging from a Russian state sponsored action to a false fag operation and all variants in between, one thing is very clear from the reactions thus far shown. And that is that a false flag operation would be remarkably effective.

Most wars start by false flag operations. It gives perpetrator the advantage of timing because he can optimally time the "intolerable provocation" which he has to react to ensuring that he is prepared for the ensuing conflict or when it becomes important as a distraction from domestic difficulties. It has the additional advantage that he can more easily rally the support of his own people and any allies, overcoming any internal resistance by blaming the counter party for initiating the hostilities.

There are eerie parallels with the the start of the military campaign against Iraq, starting with the demonisation of Saddam Hussein via a dutiful and unquestioning media. However, there are also important differences. Notable was the massive resources used and painstaking efforts that were employed to make a case that action (i.e. war) was necessary. These huge efforts included the falsification and misrepresentation of evidence, the commissioning and compilation of reports from bogus intelligence and the lies to the elected representatives. etc. etc. Nowadays, it appears that this whole charade of making a substantial, evidence based case for initiating hostilities can be dispensed with and nobody, apart from a few lone voices that is, seems to care.

There is also something which does not ring true about this whole odd affair. The choice of weapon, the choice of location, the choice of victims, the loose handling of information including conflicting stories about how the poison was administered, the readiness of allies to offer support with little evidence. Also Russia did not seem that well prepared to deal with the fall out, only at a relatively late stage pointing out that the matter should be handled according to an existing agreement on chemical weapons.

It seems unlikely (to me at least) that the Russian state would sponsored action using a weapon with a strong Russian connection, in circumstances where Russia emerge early as the likely sponsor and would question Russian claims to have disposed of its chemical weapons stockpile and all that during an election where Putin (unlike May) clearly did not want (or need) any distractions. If, however, it was a Russian state sponsored action, the only plausible explanation could be that it has decided, in the face of the hostile forces ranged against it and the continuous demonisation in the West, and the increasing pressure to spend more money on defence, to go the "low budget" route to security via cheaper Domesday weapons and then would be signalling that more clearly in the future , maybe by pulling out of treaties etc.
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Ah of course, as those rare birds, the preternaturally wise do know, the supposed Nazi invasion of Czechoslovakia was actually carried out by a crack squadron of Icelandic fish gutters, and the assassination of Grand Duke Franz Ferdinand was the work of the notorious cross-dressing darts player Ethel McFaffernackle of the British secret service.

Time for the mods to lock this thread as a bucket of complete nonsense, methinks.
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Old 20.03.2018, 14:12
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Ah of course, as those rare birds, the preternaturally wise do know, the supposed Nazi invasion of Czechoslovakia was actually carried out by a crack squadron of Icelandic fish gutters, and the assassination of Grand Duke Franz Ferdinand was the work of the notorious cross-dressing darts player Ethel McFaffernackle of the British secret service.

Time for the mods to lock this thread as a bucket of complete nonsense, methinks.
You forgot about the Crimea where the locals spontaneously closed the border to the Ukraine and declared themselves Russian.
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

I totally agree with you on false flag operations, etc... Just a couple of points...
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There are eerie parallels with the the start of the military campaign against Iraq, starting with the demonisation of Saddam Hussein via a dutiful and unquestioning media.
I've only ever been on one political demonstration. It was 1984 against the UK government's support for Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war, despite the methods and weaponry he was using. I was young (19) and naive enough to think the government actually had morals. Hussein was a useful idiot who royally buggered things up by invading Kuwait.

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It seems unlikely (to me at least) that the Russian state would sponsored action using a weapon with a strong Russian connection, in circumstances where Russia emerge early as the likely sponsor and would question Russian claims to have disposed of its chemical weapons stockpile and all that during an election where Putin (unlike May) clearly did not want (or need) any distractions.
All of which shows me that you're a rational human being. My problem is, the response we're getting from Russia is irrational...
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

people really need to realise that the jason bourne films are not based on fact, governments cannot organise a piss up at a brewery, they can't keep secrets usually the most obvious explanation is the truth.

can you imagine - Hey mr porton down scientist, give me a vile of that nerve agent, no, not going to do anything with it, honest

a day later all hell breaks loose

mr porton down scientist - hey, about that vile I gave you .....
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There is also something which does not ring true about this whole odd affair. The choice of weapon, the choice of location, the choice of victims, the loose handling of information including conflicting stories about how the poison was administered, the readiness of allies to offer support with little evidence.
There are many more odd things about this case.
"Novichok" gas is not on OPCW watch list, and the only reliable source of this name's origin is the "Strike Back" movie where bad Russian pronounces it with exactly the same accent as Theresa May did a week ago. All other speculations about Novitshok's origin are contradictory at best.
The speed at which the origin was "determined", is unbelievably amazing.
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Good to see that you have totally abandoned your claim "US officially admitted that there were no "Russian hackers"".

I forecast you will abandon many more of your claims
I suggest you stop being anal.
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

russia knows the uk isn't going to do shit about it, the uk needs russian gas, russian money etc, Mrs may will privately call vladimir a very naughty boy, they'll laugh and he'll say something about the british sense of humor while referencing monty python, then they'll do a few more multi billion dollar deals for his mates.
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...and the only reliable source of this name's origin is the "Strike Back" movie where bad Russian pronounces it with exactly the same accent as Theresa May did a week ago.
I think she's more a 'Sound Of Music' kind of girl to be honest.
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Ah of course, as those rare birds, the preternaturally wise do know, the supposed Nazi invasion of Czechoslovakia was actually carried out by a crack squadron of Icelandic fish gutters, and the assassination of Grand Duke Franz Ferdinand was the work of the notorious cross-dressing darts player Ethel McFaffernackle of the British secret service.

Time for the mods to lock this thread as a bucket of complete nonsense, methinks.
Fits this thread-subject perfectly. First you cause the reason (give the nonsense), then you call the "authorities" to move in, shut the whole thing down - due to nonsense.

LOL, a classic. Probably not even intended.
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Fits this thread-subject perfectly. First you cause the reason (give the nonsense), then you call the "authorities" to move in, shut the whole thing down - due to nonsense.

LOL, a classic. Probably not even intended.
I don't follow your logic. I consider the conspiracy theories on this subject (and others) to be nonsense, not the subject itself, and was expressing exasperation at this thread veering into conspiracy theory territory.
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I don't follow your logic. I consider the conspiracy theories on this subject (and others) to be nonsense, not the subject itself.
Indeed, floating false flag theories which imply members of the UK Govt. are taking actions which would leave them open to murder charges is indeed arrant nonsense.

The UK is a leaky ship where such actions would soon be publicised.

The people who reference Iraq and WMDs in support of such theories ignore the elephant in the room which is that the truth about Iraq emerged relatively quickly.
Nobody in the UK Govt. is nutty enough to order murders when they know the truth will emerge sooner or later, probably sooner.
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

a more believable theory would be the ex-spy arranged for his daughter to bring the stuff from a contact in russia, he planned to poison himself safe in the knowledge putin would be blamed, to make him pay for the torrid time he spent in russian prisons, or he planned a wider 'attack', again, safe in the knowledge putin would be blamed.

but something went wrong, somehow he infected his daughter as well

and the rest is history

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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

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Former British ambassador Craig Murray sneered at the idea that anyone would believe the UK’s argument that Russia poisoned x-spy Skripal and his daughter. The UK’s laboratory, Porton Down, resisted the claim that the nerve agent was made in Russia. The UK government put them under tremendous pressure to say the nerve agent “was” made in Russia. So, they agreed to the label “a type of nerve agent developed by Russia.” Penicillin was developed by Scotland but it doesn’t mean that all penicillin is made in Scotland! The formula for the Novichok nerve agent was published 12 years ago in a book you can find on Amazon (Vil S. Mirzayanov "STATE SECRETS-An Insider's Chronicle Of The Russian Chemical Weapons Program) for $8.16. It appears that anyone with the means could obtain the formula via any Internet connection! Which debunks Theresa May-Not’s claim that “novichok” formula is a deep secret, known only to the Russians.

Funnily enough, the 'whistle-blower' Vil Mirzanyanov who 'revealed' the 'Novichok' program and its poisons published chemical formulas that should enable any decent laboratory to reproduce them. But neither the existence of the claimed program nor the existence of the alleged substances were ever accepted by the scientific community. The Iranians with OPWC (Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons) synthesized Novichok in 2016. This “nerve agent” can be made by any well-equipped laboratory anywhere in the world. What’s more, Theresa's claims that the Skripals were poisoned with 'Novichok' agents is highly questionable. Her claim that only Russia could be responsible for the poisoning incident is obviously bullsh*t. A “type made by Russia” is a ruse and UK is desperate and should be ashamed. A comparable incident happened in 2001 in the US. Envelopes with Anthrax spores were sent to various politicians. A few people died. The White House told the FBI to blame al-Qaeda but the Anthrax turned out to be from a U.S. chemical-biological weapon laboratory. The case is still unsolved. Theresa has the nerve to give Russia 24hrs to explain themselves (the nerve as she knew dam well Russia was not going to comply with such a stupid demand). When Russia asked to formally see the evidence, the request was refused. However, Lavrov did say that Russia would be ready to provide Britain with a response within 10 days if London submitted an official request, in line with the Chemical Weapons Convention. Nothing but crickets from Britain....!

Funnily enough, while the Russian distraction is going on in the UK, Theresa May-Not just sold-out the “former” Great Britain and Brexit without a whimper from the press. The Russian distraction was perfect timing. None of the news outlets including the Brexit newspapers have talked or written about the new deal...as of yet. Surly, this must be something urgent that the British people should know about? Part of the deal states that the Brexit transition period will last until the end of 2020 and no control of fisheries. Britain also agreed to follow all European Union rules and keep the country’s borders open for the continuance of the transition period to 2022. But that won't be the end of it. Forget your Brexit people!!!! It will be the EU and Britain by the front-door or the back-door...f*%&k the people! The British people are screwed. Together with the shenanigans about Russia, I’m more convinced than ever that UK is full of sh*t.

The former-Great Britain has long turned not only into a cozy nest for defectors from all over the world but also a hub for all sorts of fake news-producing agencies: from the British ‘Syrian Observatory for Human Rights’ to the pseudo ‘White Helmets’. Boris Johnson or "Bo-Jo The Clown" went on an anti-Russian tirade full of unchallenged Russia bashing recently. It seems that in the absence of real results, UK has lost its professional edge resorting to rudeness as the only weapon left in their arsenal. Yet, Bo-Jo The Clown played tennis with the wife of x-Putin’s x-minister in return for a $160,000 Tory donation. They continuously call Russia the bully and aggressor yet, US has over 800 military bases around the world and surrounded Russia with missiles against the ABM Treaty (The Anti-Ballistic Missle Treaty) that they agreed to. It’s like Russia putting missiles on the US border with Canada or Mexico! But Russia is the aggressor? Should Russia just sit there? What would US do if the roles were reversed? The invasion of Ukraine orchestrated by the US (Nuland admitted it took $5 billion to do it) was a slap in the face of the treaty, yet Russia is the bully? Don’t mention Crimea please as Crimea has been a part of Russia since 1783 handed over to Ukraine in 1954 by Khruschev. Crimea is a very important port for Russia...The US and their “allies” foolishly thought Russia was going to let them have this very important port city….Crimea has no problem (they voted to remain with Russia) reuniting with Russia while being separated by land. It was “the people’s choice.”

The UK, US and their allies are always in cahoots starting troubles around the world beefing up the propaganda with lies because it’s the only way they can convince the public that what they are doing is for “the good of the country.” Like the invasion of Iraq supposedly on “flawed intelligence” via Tony Blair...sickening...and he’s walking around free...a bona fide war criminal. Will the media continue to help Theresa maintain her crumbling narrative? Are we watching WMD#2 with added depths of cynicism? I’m afraid if the “right” people don’t step-up to save the country, perhaps the world, we’re doomed because we have fools at the helm who care nothing for their country, their fellow man, nor the world. Dying empires seem to always want to take others down with them!

May-Not is in deep political trouble over the Brexit negotiations and other issues and need any political diversion that she can muster. Blaming Russia for 'something' is en vogue and might help her….for a while. The highly constructed drama around the alleged poisoning of a British double agent Skripal and his daughter has turned into a surreal play. The British government has so far given no evidence that the Skripal's were poisoned at all, or that they were poisoned by someone else. No detailed medical bulletin was published. Plus, Skripal had many enemies including “inside” of Britain itself! Not-so-Great Britain can safely be taken out of the geo-strategic picture as well. For one thing, it's essentially spoiled economically and culturally and the Brent crude production has collapsed. Without Russian support, Britain has some big problems. Rising oil prices will drag on the British economy, creating additional issues for the already weak UK. The not too long ago $10 per barrel increase in Brent crude "will subtract 0.2% from nominal GDP."

USA, Britain, and France reputations are in ruins. None of these nations will be able to get geopolitical deals through because the person that shakes their hand will be betrayed when its convenient. Even in Africa, which is amazingly corrupt, genuine enthusiasm and doors are open for China because they offer a lot more than a fake future of bribery and lies and a few quick fixes that never seem to get fixed. The West’s only solution is to destroy the world but at least some in the international community know what they are up to. UK is another sign that the west is dying and in need of dire help. New leaders, new financial system, new patriotism, and new values are BADLY needed.

If Russia had the program that Johnson outlined, with an estimated cost of hundreds of millions, Former Ambassador Craig Murray wondered why Russia would blow it on “assassinating an old retired geezer in Salisbury they let out of prison a decade ago?” Despite Russia’s military superiority, the humanity of the Russian government places it at a disadvantage as there is no longer concern for humanity in the west as the west strips it’s citizens of it’s rights. It’s not breaking news that the Internet censors have been hard at work to silence voices that are in opposition to the mainstream media agenda. People don’t expect that from the so-called “free” west….The Internet (the last bastion of true free speech) isn’t very free any more. We’re watching the evolution of Newspeak right before our very eyes folks as FAKEBook, Ggle, Yucktube, Twitter (I mean Twatter) and others strive to silence any voices that oppose the carefully crafted narrative of “those in power” who scold us about how Russia is so atrocious, that there are 291 genders (one boy was kicked out of class in the US because he said that there are only 2 genders), the cuddling of Islam, the rampage against whites, and that anyone who isn’t a liberal is an evil Nazi racist b*stard, etc.

If you aren’t familiar with the term “Newspeak,” it’s from George Orwell’s prophetic novel, 1984. The whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought of the populace. It seems that the west is becoming what they “claim” to have fought against so vigilantly….communism. No one is allowed to disagree and if you don’t go along with the narrative...well, it’s bad for you. People are being jailed, beaten, denied entrance into the country, and harassed by those they thought would help them...their leaders. Look up the hell they’re putting Tommy Robinson through in Britain and others. Instead of “book burning” the Internet is being policed and social media outlets are working with the various government entities to curb what information the populace is allowed to have access to. China anyone??? Indoctrination is rampant in the west where voicing relevant concerns is called “hate speech.” It’s amazing how this is “going right over the heads of many” who are trained to obey and never question authority. There’s “no-way” Britain could be complicit in any wrong-doing, evil devilries, schemes or warmongering, and outright lies and propaganda. But they are...to detriment of many of their countrymen and the world. This shenanigan with Russia has more than solidified their corruptness on the world stage and how at any cost...they will continue on the road to the “New World Order”..except there are some countries in the way....and one of them is Russia along with the Middle Eastern countries and some others.

Today, anyone not questioning their government, is not thinking. Especially if your country is part of NATO and/or the EU. Common sense along with critical thinking skills are imperative. The search for “the truth” should forever be a priority as the “powers that be” have no truth in them any more. We’re nothing but “sheeple” to be fed propaganda and molded into obedient soldiers. Luckily, the more tyrannical they become, the more people are waking up, scratching their heads, and wondering...do they really think we’re that stupid???? When you talk about people’s liberties, people’s rights to freedom of speech, to question and disagree, the west is no better than Russia... I don’t believe this Russian hogwash for one second. Russia is the convenient scapegoat especially after kicking out the central banks and the Rothschilds. Russia and China have created a new system that bypasses the western system like SWIFT. The eastern version is called CIPS (China International Payment System). Whether the west likes it or not, Russia is a powerhouse. They aren’t foolish and definitely not foolish and stupid enough to poison a spy and leave their name at the scene. That’s child’s play. I’m not an advocate for Russia, I just can’t stand injustice and our leaders trying to make fools out of us…For the sake of the world, (former) great powers/empires, especially nuclear ones, like the US and the UK, should be governed with a degree of competence, and this show of incompetence is most worrying. But the least we can do is refuse to accept at face value what appears to be blatant fabrications and provocations, demand compliance with international law, and keep asking questions until we get answers....OK...I’m done now (I know it was a bit long...thanks for reading)...Peace Out…!
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