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Old 28.03.2018, 16:27
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

Where did I say it's a proof of anything?
And what about answering the posts that present facts?
Once again: Does UK government lie saying their behavior in the first 10 days after the incident was compliant with OPCW regulations? Just yes or no please.
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Old 28.03.2018, 16:39
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Blocked from getting too close by riot police, residents carried signs that read “Corruption kills” and “We are all trapped in this zoo.” When they were greeted by several local officials, they responded with shouts of “murderers” and “resign.” Some demanded that President Vladimir Putin step down, too.
https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/...ovo-fire-60963


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Old 28.03.2018, 16:53
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

People demanded local authorities to resign.

And I told you - there is a lot of bullshit media in Russia, too

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In the wake of the tragedy, horror stories of faulty fire alarms, blocked exits and children texting farewells to loved ones flooded social media. Trust in the official investigation was low — rumors circulated that investigators had fudged the death toll, which, according to one popular version, was closer to 400.
"popular" version? Does the popularity depend on this number - the more dead the more popular?
Official data is 64 dead. And this is confirmed by local activists. And accepted by Western media
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8274851.html
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Old 28.03.2018, 17:17
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

Wasn't addressing you arz. The mass demonstrations across Russia were covered on TV last night.
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People demanded local authorities to resign.

And I told you - there is a lot of bullshit media in Russia, too


"popular" version? Does the popularity depend on this number - the more dead the more popular?
Official data is 64 dead. And this is confirmed by local activists. And accepted by Western media
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8274851.html
You now accept that whatever is printed in Western media as a proof.
That is a good step forward.
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Old 28.03.2018, 21:16
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Siberia has never been very Kremlin friendly, keep in mind it is an area built up mainly by people exiled from the rest of Russia and Soviet occupied areas (remember the Gulags?). Ironically, most of Russia's gas is coming from there tho. Would love to see Siberia stand up and break away from Russia proper one day

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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/09/w...ntl/index.html

In cases like the mall fire where alot of children died, Putin will of course appear sympathetic, while shifting the blame and anger on to local authorities (regardless if he appointed them). He's done that plenty of times in the past, and it's worked to keep his image clean. Throwing the lower-level boss under the bus always works.
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Sergei and Yulia Skripal first came into contact with novichok at their home address, detectives believe.
Specialists have identified the highest concentration of the nerve agent on the front door of the address.

Detectives will continue to focus their enquiries around the home address for the coming weeks, and possibly months as the investigation continues, Sky News understands.
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

Julian Assange has internet cut at Ecuadorian embassy in London

"Ecuador has cut Julian Assange's internet connection at its embassy in London, preventing him from communicating with the outside world.

The move is to prevent the WikiLeaks founder from interfering in other countries' affairs, Ecuador said.

It comes after Mr Assange questioned accusations that Moscow was responsible for the poisoning of a Russian ex-spy and his daughter in the UK on 4 March.
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Not a great surprise that he should question whether Moscow was behind the poisoning. Wikileaks only ever seemed to focus on Western countries and he had his own show on Russia Today.
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Not a great surprise that he should question whether Moscow was behind the poisoning. Wikileaks only ever seemed to focus on Western countries and he had his own show on Russia Today.
If Julian Assange had dumped state secrets on Russia the way he did on the US, he would have been dead a long, long time ago. And his family would have probably had some "accidents" too... all of which Russia would of course deny any connection with.
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

For those who are still interested in an alternative opinion on the "six secret slides"
Comments like "this is lie 'coz they always lie" will be ignored - I can say exactly the same about UK media, what's the point in such arguments at all?
No media can be used as a proof, but some media can stimulate independent thinking.
Yesterday, I learned a brilliant term "whatabout'ism". Any chance to stop falling into it and stick to the topic?

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201...port-analysis/
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It's funny. I was cynical about this whole affair from the start.

But Arz and Prosperity Joy have managed to persuade me that yes, the Russians are indeed behind this poisoning.

I'm not sure that's what they intended.

Reminds me of that May afternoon when I sat and read the Maastricht Treaty...
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Old 29.03.2018, 10:22
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Despite all the media hot-air and symbolic gesture of solidarity with kicking out Russian diplomats....looks like nobody really gives a crap anyway...oh well...

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Germany's Federal Maritime and Hydrographic Agency announced on Tuesday that all the necessary permits have been issued for Gazprom to build and operate the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

The remaining four countries that are still to issue permits are Russia, Finland, Sweden, and Denmark. Part of the pipeline's undersea sections will lead through those countries' territories. The coordinator and future operator of the pipeline, Switzerland-based Nord Stream 2 AG, said it expects the permits to be issued within the next few months.

Construction will begin still this year, just as planned, Nord Stream 2 AG said.

Germany's Federal Maritime and Hydrographic Agency said on Tuesday that it approved the 31-kilometer section of the pipeline to be built on German territory.
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Look, I've explained and have proven in long, long, boring posts that none of the fact used here as an argument that Russians are bad, are't facts. But you still believe it these "facts"
What else can I call it? Give me a term.
OK...here is another one of my loooong post...LOL. I just wanted to chime in as I will be on vacation and won't be posting but simply had some last words. So, here we go:

Here's what's going on with this thread. Most of the people here don't care about "facts" and "truth." They are only concerned about "how they want the "facts" and "truth" to be. The only thing important to them is their "feelings." In their mind, we write posts because we have a bias for Russia. When in "truth" it's about being objective enough to "see through" the smoke-and-mirrors in order to cognize the situation and get to the "bare-bones" of what’s going on. In this case, the UK is a has-been empire that acted impulsively and is completely in the wrong and being deceptive…! Since the UK is making the accusations, the proof of guilt is on them! It takes the scientists several weeks or even months as stated to identify the poison used. But Teresa May-Not and Boris “Bo-Jo The Clown” Johnson can do so in a matter of days as stated in the commons. Yeah...right! However, this DOES PROVE that the west can not be trusted….period! The UK is very much free to “prove it's claims” by coming up with irrefutable proof, provided they still understand what that means. Russia's only mistake in the Skripal Case is hoping to deal with honest players...it's not going to happen. The west CANNOT be trusted!

Those "bewitched" by UK lies is very much a side-effect of the age we live in. In most instances like this, people want to "feel" accepted, to have a "feeling" of belonging. Facts be damned! It’s what you call a “mob” mentality. Keep in mind, “there are more fools than the prudent” so there’s no surprise these types are en-mass on this thread. For these people, deflection is about everything. In other words “ignore the facts and look for something completely futile or totally unrelated to focus on.” In fact, they will remain ignorant just to try and “provoke you.” Very immature of so-called adults. They resort to all types of foolishness even implicating “Russian trolls” the go-to words when delusion has “deeply” set in and they see no-way-out, and can’t refute your words. Completely hopeless....! It's not simply about agreeing, but an intelligent individual can resign themselves to the "fact" that UK is acting out of line and has not proven their case.

In fact, you will find many of these individuals are quite selfish as well. There's no concern about humanity as a whole, and if UK's foolish prime minister says it's "highly likely" (no proof mind you) and take drastic steps even though it could put the world in danger leading to war over bullsh*t...they don't care. None have mentioned anything about children or future generations and how making such a drastic move by UK and their cohorts could lead to WW3 destroying this world. If Putin wanted to do something sinister and REALLY damaging to the UK, he could simply turn off their gas flow….simple really. Mind you, Theresa May-Not “The Fool” says “she’s looking to find other countries to supply gas after the spy incident….GOOD LUCK WITH THAT THERESA...! UK is at the mercy of Russian gas supplies (which they're supposed to be sanctioning...but you know..a country must do what a country has to do. And in this case it's begging to Russia! if Putin wanted to do them in...he could have let the UK freeze over the winter especially with the cold-spell that happened in March. I mean, why go for a has-been spy? Russia doesn’t need UK and poisoning a has-been spy is absolutely ludicrous...I’m sure Putin is laughing at the stupidity of it all.

President Putin and Russia have demonstrated over and over that they ARE NOT willing to be vassals under western hegemony. That's why we see endless repetition of western propaganda campaigns to corral Russia. The latest British-featured spy poisoning saga is just another episode. The west (US, UK especially) would love to steal Russia’s vast energy export markets in Europe…..SUCKERS! Anyhow, the west will lose. It’s last empire (the US) is dying. Russia, China, the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa), the One Belt-One Road, vast amounts of gold to back their monetary system against the ever weakening dollar, the PetroYuan, China’s new mega international payment system called CIPS (China International Payment System) to rival the west’s SWIFT system, Russia’s vast and superior military technology and billions of dollars in deals around the world, and more,….Russia is a powerhouse and Theresa is no match for Putin nor is the west for that matter. That’s why Theresa runs around to get “back-up” because she knows this. The smartest thing for the west to do is to get over their “dying status in the world” and work with Russia. They won’t defeat Russia….I guarantee it! The west is dying folks…!!!! If Russia wanted to actually “hurt” the UK there are many more powerful ways they could do it and poisoning a has-been spy is not one of them!

UK has completely went against international law….period! They haven’t cooperated with Russia to get to the “gist” of the matter. Theresa May-Not cannot continue to create distractions (ok, she can because she's that idiotic) in order to get-out of the problems she should be dealing with on British soil.….and there are many! UK has literally turned into a sh*thole just behind Sweden and a tie with France. At least this gives UK’s weak prime minister the opportunity to continue to “kiss the EU’s äzz” as they try to wiggle out of Brexit.

For the people of the world who want justice and to regain our powers and freedom, we will need to rise above the deceptions and lies found in mainstream media, and remove the corrupt leaders who are in charge of it. One should cross reference information with independent sources and use intuition to discern this information. Unfortunately, many simply don’t have the ability to do this….! I know, it’s unbelievable that adults could be so naive about what’s “actually” happening in the world, and most of them here on this thread probably have children and with their delusional mindset, are putting these children in danger. They show no empathy whatsoever. UK (and their partners in crime) are full of sh*t….! And no one has proven the contrary! It’s more like UK is “begging for attention” than anything else. It’s a cry for help…! The people who believe UK’s foolishness have been so brainwashed...I see no help for them short of a lobotomy!

If we want to truly be free, people must become aware of how the illusionists of mainstream media and how our governments delude the populace with their “wizardry.” People must awaken to how the world is actually being run, who is actually in control, and what their agenda is. In this age of technology there is no excuse…! Many individuals simply CAN’T think “outside the box.” Spar with these lost Souls at your leisure on this thread (or simply ignore them), but don’t take them seriously. (I’m sure you already know that). OK, now, I’ll probably receive a bunch of nonsensical replies (which I will not reply to) stating...blah...blah...blah….(((YAWN))) I’ll laugh and be thankful that I haven’t fallen for the chicanery. As I wrote...just spar with them and exercise your wits (or simply ignore them), but remember: you can’t reason with fools….Have a nice day and Have a nice holiday.

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If Putin wanted to do something sinister and REALLY damaging to the UK, he could simply turn off their gas flow….simple really. Mind you, Theresa May-Not “The Fool” says “she’s looking to find other countries to supply gas after the spy incident….GOOD LUCK WITH THAT THERESA...! UK is at the mercy of Russian gas supplies (which they're supposed to be sanctioning...but you know..a country must do what a country has to do. And in this case it's begging to Russia! if Putin wanted to do them in...he could have let the UK freeze over the winter especially with the cold-spell that happened in March.
Roughly 10-20% of Britans gas is coming from Russia, if Putin turned the tap off, I'm sure the Brit's won't freeze to death. Altho considering that gas exports is a huge part of Russia's economy, Russians might suffer more if Putin stopped selling gas to the EU/UK. But anyway, considering the US is now the largest gas producer, I think there is plenty to go around. And most countries are anyway looking to alternative energy sources, so the gas party will taper out in the next 10,20,30 years anyway. Wonder what Russia will do then for money? Selling weapons is their number 2 industry, so I guess they could hope for some more wars, or maybe help start some at least




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Here's what's going on with this thread. Most of the people here don't care about "facts" and "truth." They are only concerned about "how they want the "facts" and "truth" to be.
Since the UK is making the accusations, the proof of guilt is on them! It takes the scientists several weeks or even months as stated to identify the poison used. But Teresa May-Not and Boris “Bo-Jo The Clown” Johnson can do so in a matter of days as stated in the commons. Yeah...right! However, this DOES PROVE that the west can not be trusted….period! The UK is very much free to “prove it's claims” by coming up with irrefutable proof, provided they still understand what that means. Russia's only mistake in the Skripal Case is hoping to deal with honest players...it's not going to happen. The west CANNOT be trusted!
Russia has consistently denied any involvement in Ukraine, despite overwhelming proof. It's a joke, even Russians know that Russia is sending weapons, tanks, troops. There is a mountain of evidence. But all Russian officials still to this day officially deny it. This spy case is small potatoes to 10,000+ people killed since 2014 along the Russia/Ukraine border.
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Russia has consistently denied any involvement in Ukraine, despite overwhelming proof. It's a joke, even Russians know that Russia is sending weapons, tanks, troops. There is a mountain of evidence. But all Russian officials still to this day officially deny it. This spy case is small potatoes to 10,000+ people killed since 2014 along the Russia/Ukraine border.
It's yet another "whatabout'ism", but anyway, show us your "overwhelming proof" and "mountain of evidence", avoiding media tabloids please.
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It's yet another "whatabout'ism", but anyway, show us your "overwhelming proof" and "mountain of evidence", avoiding media tabloids please.
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For those who are still interested in an alternative opinion on the "six secret slides"

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201...port-analysis/
I'm increasingly sure that you don't read anything that is posted by other members in this thread.

The information in the so called 'secret slides' was freely and openly available on the UK government's own website. Thus, they are as secret Putin being Russian.

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Plagiarised from this article... https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201...ic-expulsions/

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President Putin and Russia have demonstrated over and over that they ARE NOT willing to be vassals under western hegemony.
Plagiarised from this article...
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/422612-russ...expel-skripal/

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One should cross reference information with independent sources and use intuition to discern this information. Unfortunately, many simply don’t have the ability to do this….!
Oh the irony!
Everytime I cross reference your posts, it only serves to flag up the number of articles you've plagiarised yet not referenced once.
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I'm increasingly sure that you don't read anything that is posted by other members in this thread.
Same here. Or you just don't admit you've read it. Or don't bother to comment and even answer direct questions.

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The information in the so called 'secret slides' was freely and openly available on the UK government's own website.
Has been? Since how long? Isn't it the result of the "classified" pre-OPCW investigation? Wondering what other "secrets" will be made public soon.
Aaand... what do you think about these 6 slides? A bomb, isn't it?


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