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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

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George Galloway is great in this podcast. He nails it with a good sense of humor as well.


As you insist on reporting the thoughts of people who believe the same as you, it's clear that you have found a place filled with like minded people. So why don't you stay in that little echo chamber and spare us the ramblings of Trollski and Anonymous? We are adults and quite capable of coming to our own conclusions without consulting quotes from random people on another forum.
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George Galloway is great in this podcast. He nails it with a good sense of humor as well. It's about 12 minutes long. Enjoy and have a nice day everyone...
Video link doesn't work (for me).
Good idea with YTs: Post the name of the video and we can find it!
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I can well understand that. But then, what would it be serious enough for you to build your opinion on? Who would you trust to give accurate information about so contentious events? After all, we are so remote from the events that we can only build an opinion based on what others say?

I would tend think there is (pun intended) some substance behind the report published on the OPCW website. I do not need to know all the details, I probably won't be able to understand them either. But I trust their work and their message.

Don't take this question personally, it's not aimed at you, it's more a philosophical question than anything else....
I've done some more research in the mean time.

Your question was good yesterday. It's even better today.
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

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OK folks, I see this thread is still going so I’m going to chime in for a bit.
Just for a bit, heh? /sarcasm

In fact I would flag your post as the perfect example of trollery... So much copy-paste from the internet that it makes one sick even to respond

And Paul Craig Roberts? Again? He got quoted so many times in this thread it's getting boring already. Just look for the long posts with lots of copy-paste quotes in them.

But I guess mentioning and hyperlinking him just increases his google hit count so I'm doing it a favour already...
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I've done some more research in the mean time.

Your question was good yesterday. It's even better today.
I'm all ears
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Old 13.04.2018, 10:28
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... So much copy-paste from the internet that it makes one sick even to respond....
But he made it easy: You just need to comment on the bold and the red text

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As you insist on reporting the thoughts of people who believe the same as you, it's clear that you have found a place filled with like minded people. So why don't you stay in that little echo chamber and spare us the ramblings of Trollski and Anonymous? We are adults and quite capable of coming to our own conclusions without consulting quotes from random people on another forum.
You have a problem with me finding evidence to back-up the fact that the UK is full of sh*t...yet, you post links to articles that you feel coincides with your beliefs. So it's OK for you to express your side but not for me? You're not controlling the narrative here no matter how hard you try....my friend. Stop trying to make the thread go in a certain direction and to want everyone to be on your side. GET OVER IT...! IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. So you can go sit in a corner and pout because you can't have your way! In fact, The UK people are saying "we don't want to go to war, not in my name." Much of the UK citizenry DO NOT want to be involved in going to war. In fact, they have a hash-tag #not-in-my-name-Theresa-May. The UK people feel that the country has money to go to war but no money for education, police, fire service, the elderly, the disabled, and more. I don't know if you are from the UK or not, but you need to get a grip because many of the UK populace are on-to the UK shenanigans and COMPLETELY disagree with your opinion! ..just enjoy the differences and let it go at that. I"m fine with it...LOL Get inside that thick head of yours that "NOT EVERYONE AGREES WITH YOU." I'm not going back-and-forth with you. If you can't handle someone posting different from you than don't read the posts....For goodness sakes it's like posting to a juvenile...! GROW UP....! GOOD BYE...!

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Just for a bit, heh? /sarcasm

In fact I would flag your post as the perfect example of trollery... So much copy-paste from the internet that it makes one sick even to respond

And Paul Craig Roberts? Again? He got quoted so many times in this thread it's getting boring already. Just look for the long posts with lots of copy-paste quotes in them.

But I guess mentioning and hyperlinking him just increases his google hit count so I'm doing it a favour already...
Actually, it's not much different than supplying a link. I just happen to add bits and pieces of whichever information I find important and add it to my posts, that's why I put them in "parenthesis." I prefer not to write just a few words like "see this is what happened yesterday" and just add a link. I meticulously do my research and provide the information I come across while also providing some links here-and-there along with my own thoughts. It's the way I do it and you are certainly welcome not to read it. It makes no difference to me one way or the other. My posts takes more time than the average posts because I investigate, scrutinize, and question. In any case, the UK is full of sh*t and I and many, many others don't trust a word they say and question their motives. Also I posted a video link to Paul Craig Roberts. He is not directly quoted in my posts. Anyway, you should be able to watch the Georg Galloway video now...have a nice day...Ciao...

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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

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I meticulously do my research
Well, you could spare your energy cause if you haven't actually been involved in the forensic analysis, all you're doing is, as someone else said, echo chambering other's random's people's opinion.

Now, if you read the OPCW report, they have:
- identified the three persons that have been poisoned
- took blood samples from those persons that they identified
- took environmental samples from the area
- confirmed the presence of the toxic chemical both in the blood and environmental samples
- confirmed the identity of the chemical as being that claimed by the UK

Now you can choose to believe the OPCW or not. But only the OPCW and the UK have had access to the forensic evidence, so pretty much anything else is just speculation. But you are free to "research" on it, I agree it's fascinating to see the kind of theories people can come up with...
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Old 13.04.2018, 12:33
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- confirmed the identity of the chemical as being that claimed by the UK
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Ah, the hick-hack of you guys has a good side to it, I overlooked that last night. Just checked.
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

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You have a problem with me finding evidence to back-up the fact that the UK is full of sh*t...
I don't think anyone could have a problem with that, simply because you haven't been seen to do anything of the sort.
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

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UPDATE 1-Ex-spy poisoning shows how reckless Russia is - UK spy chief

LONDON, April 12 (Reuters) - The poisoning of a former Russian double agent in Britain with a nerve agent last month shows “how reckless Russia is prepared to be”, the head of Britain’s GCHQ spy agency said on Thursday in a scathing attack on the Kremlin.



In his first public speech since taking over as head of Britain’s eavesdropping intelligence agency last year, Jeremy Fleming said the poisoning of Sergei Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury, southern England, was “particularly stark and shocking”.



He accused Russia of “not playing to the same rules” and blurring the boundaries between criminal and state activity.
https://www.reuters.com/article/brit...-idUSL8N1RP2UR
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

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I don't know if you are from the UK or not, but you need to get a grip...
53. Born and bred in the UK. Lived the first 50yrs of my life there. You?
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

Lavrov: Swiss lab says ‘BZ toxin’ used in Salisbury, not produced in Russia, was in US & UK service

https://www.rt.com/news/424149-skrip...ing-bz-lavrov/

Has anyone seen anything about this reported from Switzerland, or elsewhere?
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Lavrov: Swiss lab says ‘BZ toxin’ used in Salisbury, not produced in Russia, was in US & UK service

https://www.rt.com/news/424149-skrip...ing-bz-lavrov/

Has anyone seen anything about this reported from Switzerland, or elsewhere?
I too came across this earlier, but can not find the news link anywhere else..
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Lavrov: Swiss lab says ‘BZ toxin’ used in Salisbury, not produced in Russia, was in US & UK service

https://www.rt.com/news/424149-skrip...ing-bz-lavrov/

Has anyone seen anything about this reported from Switzerland, or elsewhere?
Strange, isn't it, how it's only being reported on the Russian (pseudo-)state controlled media?
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Re: Poisoning of two Russians and a police officer in Salisbury, UK

Not found a truly Swiss source yet but loads in German (Germany .... .com sites).
One here. It was an OPCW Lab in Spiez Switzerland.
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Not found a truly Swiss source yet but loads in German (Germany .... .com sites).
One here. It was an OPCW Lab in Spiez Switzerland.
This a Russia Today (RT) website owned by the Russian Govt.
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This a Russia Today (RT) website owned by the Russian Govt.
Yes, as I said I can't find a Swiss source. I also checked tonight's news quickly - not a word.

Firstly: I don't think the Swiss Lab is allowed to publish it's own results, being part of the OPCW.

The Russians I'm sure had access to the detailed OPCW report. The only question now is: Did they misinterpret (on purpose or not) a Swiss phrasing? If the Swiss aren't sure it was the poison the Brits say it is, they will say so. Exactly so: It is not sure/proven/our results do not reliably conclude this.
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This a Russia Today (RT) website owned by the Russian Govt.
it's just as reliable as western propaganda.
the only remaning question is who really did it.
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OK...here are some of the links with stories about the independent Swiss Lab finding. "The Swiss center mentioned is the Spiez Laboratory controlled by the Swiss Federal Office for Civil Protection and ultimately by the country’s defense minister. The lab is also an internationally recognized center of excellence in the field of the nuclear, biological, and chemical protection and is one of the five centers permanently authorized by the OPCW." I'm not surprised by this...let's see where this goes. Maybe now Russia will finally get some vindication. Our western leaders have gone absolutely insane, even bombing Syria without any confirmations. Funny how Teresa May-Not did not ask Parliament about the bombing. I guess she didn't want the same answer Parliament gave Tony "The Warmonger" Blair during the ill-fated Iraq war. Anyway...let's see how the UK tries to wiggle out of this one. Fortunately "lies have short legs and the truth can live forever." (There are plenty more other links as well) Most are reporting what Lavrov said, which doesn't make the story any less legitimate. It seems that the WHOLE story about the poison test results were not revealed and this is what Lavrov is referring to. We'll see....!

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"Remember how we were told my the politicians (not the scientists) that a deadly Novichok nerve agent - produced by Russia - was used in the attempted assassination of the Skripals? Remember the 50 questions (here and here) we had surrounding the 'facts' as Theresa May had laid them out? Ever wonder why, given how utterly deadly we were told this chemical was, the Skripals wondered around for a few hours after being 'infected' and then days later, survived with no chronic damage?
Well those doubts may well have just been answered as according to the independent Swiss state Spiez lab, the substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, which was never produced in Russia, but was in service in the US, UK, and other NATO states."

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The Swiss center sent the results to the OPCW. However, the UN chemical watchdog limited itself only to confirming the formula of the substance used to poison the Skripals in its final report without mentioning anything about the other facts presented in the Swiss document.

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I will have to add in the DailyMirror story, they are lying. The lie they state is that "Scientists from the Nobel Prize-winning OPCW found that "high purity" Novichok was used in the poisoning, backing the UK." This is nothing but propaganda.
The OPCW NEVER said it was Novichok and OPCW asked the Swiss laboratory to perform the tests.

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The substance used on Sergei Skripal in Salisbury was a nerve agent called BZ, according to the results of an independent study by a Swiss lab that throws the “official narrative” pushed by the United Kingdom government into serious doubt.
BZ was never produced in Russia, but was in service in the US and UK.
The United Kingdom has accused Moscow of poisoning ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal in the UK town of Salisbury with what British experts claimed was an A234 nerve agent, which had allegedly been produced in the Soviet Union.
However the independent results of the tests by the Swiss laboratory have disproved the UK government allegations.

**Mind you, the main stream media loonies like BBC and CNN will probably not report this. If they do, they will definitely put a spin on it. Regardless of where this new information leads, I ALWAYS knew that the UK was lying and up to no good. It's clear if you've been following politics CLOSELY (I mean very closely) for the last 7-10 years (especially since 9/11). Those who haven't think that they can just jump into the frame of the political arena and completely grasp what's happening. It's much like arriving during the middle of a movie. You have to gather information about what was happening in the movie prior to your arrival in order to understand what the movie is about. Western leaders have gone crazy and want to take us all with them. Their motives are devious and because the west is losing dominance on the world stage, they are going to put up a fight to hell with their citizenry. I expect more lies, false flags, attacks on sovereign countries and more until they get it that the world is changing...! Good Lord help us all...Have a nice evening everyone...

Check out this short YouTube video if you have time it's about 4 minutes long:

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