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USA to introduce new surveillance law

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For those of us (me) dumb enough to belive that Bush will go quietly ....

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If the sweeping surveillance law signed by President Bush on Thursday -- giving the U.S. government nearly unchecked authority to eavesdrop on the phone calls and e-mails of innocent Americans -- is allowed to stand, we will have eroded one of the most important bulwarks to a free press and an open society.

The new FISA Amendments Act nearly eviscerates oversight of government surveillance. It allows the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to review only general procedures for spying rather than individual warrants. The court will not be told specifics about who will be wiretapped, which means the law provides woefully inadequate safeguards to protect innocent people whose communications are caught up in the government's dragnet surveillance program.
McCarthy would be proud of this piece of work .....

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Big Brother would be proud, and I am not even invoking Godwin's law yet.



Sad what Dubyah and his clique have done to the "land that I love."
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Sad what Dubyah and his clique have done to the "land that I love."
& you want to move back .....

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The really sad thing is that if this passes, Congress is just rollling over once again because they're too chickensh*t to stand up to this crap fear mongering. All the administration has to do is say "terrorism", and they still tremble. Or maybe they all need to get their jollies from this. Bah.

I sure don't want to go back - not at the moment anyway.
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The really sad thing is that if this passes, Congress is just rollling over once again because they're too chickensh*t to stand up to this crap fear mongering. All the administration has to do is say "terrorism", and they still tremble. Or maybe they all need to get their jollies from this. Bah.

I sure don't want to go back - not at the moment anyway.
There are other magical words apart from terrorism, for example:
- intellectual property
- child porn
- "freedom"

Any other examples?
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Old 13.07.2008, 13:28
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... more reason not to!
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There are other magical words apart from terrorism, for example:
- intellectual property
- child porn
- "freedom"

Any other examples?
democracy?
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Old 13.07.2008, 13:54
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Gone with the wind.
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I'm very sorry to say that, but the US reminds me more and more of Eastern Germany. They may have good reasons for that but still, it's striking.

As many believe... they created this mess themselves as a form of job
security. Now they are going overboard...

Good reasons? ...... hmmmmmm......... Name one.
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Further reasons why I'd not move back by choice....this is truly scary. And now it isn't just Americans who get caught, but outsiders.

Freedom, a long-forgotten ideal that no longer exists.

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Re: USA to introduce new surveillance law

Dear Neil Young,

Apologies for copying your lyrics without permission; I hope you don't mind.

Let's Impeach The President lyrics

Let's impeach the President for lying
And misleading our country into war
Abusing all the power that we gave him
And shipping all our money out the door

Who's the man who hired all the criminals
The White House shadows who hide behind closed doors
They bend the facts to fit with their new stories
Of why we have to send our men to war

Let's impeach the President for spying
On citizens inside their own homes
Breaking every law in the country
By tapping our computers and telephones

What if Al Qaeda blew up the levees
Would New Orleans have been safer that way
Sheltered by our government's protection
Or was someone just not home that day?

Flip - Flop
Flip - Flop
Flip - Flop
Flip - Flop

Let's impeach the president for hijacking
Our religion and using it to get elected
Dividing our country into colors
And still leaving black people neglected

Thank god he's cracking down on steroids
Since he sold his old baseball team
There's lots of people looking at big trouble
But of course our president is clean.

Thank God
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There are other magical words apart from terrorism, for example:
- intellectual property
- child porn
- "freedom"

Any other examples?
Iran

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Now they are going overboard...
May I be the first to offer to hold them under?
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Old 13.07.2008, 20:11
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Yeah. Still beats living in Switzerland IMHO. YMMV.
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Re: USA to introduce new surveillance law

The old law was based on recording point-to-point analog communication. They had to obtain a warrant before recording. With digital communication, all streams are captured and stored for later retrieval. They no longer have to listen in real-time. This means they can obtain a warrant, and then search all communication in archive. The amendment reflects current communication technology.

In many places, the government doesn't even need a warrant to listen in. Anyone know what the rules are here in Switzerland?
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The old law was based on recording point-to-point analog communication. They had to obtain a warrant before recording. With digital communication, all streams are captured and stored for later retrieval. They no longer have to listen in real-time. This means they can obtain a warrant, and then search all communication in archive. The amendment reflects current communication technology.
You don't really believe what you wrote, please reassure me.

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Anyone know what the rules are here in Switzerland?
Despite the technology being similar, one still needs a warrant prior to recording conversations.
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You don't really believe what you wrote, please reassure me.
This is nothing new. They've been doing it for years in the name of national security. Now it means everyone is always wiretapped. The warrants are really only necessary if you are using the information for prosecution.
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By the way, there are no laws covering communication from the US to another country.
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